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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week (or possibly less often, if the wiki's status is high or there's not much voter traffic) this forum hosts a tussle between two (or sometimes three!) characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!

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Round 257: Mushroom Kingdom II vs. Magicant[edit]

Mushroom Kingdom II Melee.png
SSB4 Magicant.jpg

45 to 48
SSB4 Magicant.jpg
These two worlds only exist within protagonists' dreams - who wakes up first?

Votes for Mushroom Kingdom II[edit]

1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  1. I hate Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. Mushroom Kingdom II = Super Mario Bros. 2! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. Pokebub (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  5. Magicant is just weird. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  6. This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. TheNuttyOne 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
  7. Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the Earthbound series. Super Mario Bros. 2 is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. Alex95 (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
  8. I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. Smash Master 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
  9. I like Melee... and Mario... 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
  10. It's very close for me, but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. Dakota.952 User talk:Dakota.952 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  11. For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. Captain Gamer (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
  12. mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game XVI (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
  13. Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. Kbimbatti22 (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
  14. I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. Sparkwave (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
  15. I don't know what to say Sammybambam11 (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
  16. Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  17. I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! RetroPikaPikachuHeadSSB.png 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
  18. Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! NicoNiconii (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
  19. I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. -- 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
  20. I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)Super Eli (talk) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
  21. -- 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  22. Here I am. UltimateWoomy (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
  23. Super Mario Bros. 2 is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.Magicant’s a pretty good stage too 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
  24. I MADE UP MY MIND! BESTIDIOTEVER (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
  25. Magican't win! |RK50 (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)
  26. It's the obvious choice to go with the face of gaming's sequel! Johnson T. Shy Guy 17:36, 19 December (EDT)
  27. The song has been stuck in my head all day, so I can't not vote this. 15:34, 23 January 2019 (EST)
  28. The hazards and stuff are much more creative. Are there even any in Magicant? KingKRool26 8:00, 14 February 2019 (EST)
  29. I vote for Mushroom Kingdom II becuase overall I think it looks better as a stage then Magicant. 8:56 AM 18 February 2019 (CST)
  30. Mushroom Kingdom II is overall a much better stage to fight on, despite the fact it's a walk-off stage. And there's no Flying Man. 2:43 PM, 4 March 2019 (EST)
  31. I like Mario. And Magicant sounds too much like Magic can't. 19:30, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
  32. A-sla-a-sla-a-sla-tte-ry... When I was young, not only did I make up the aforementioned lyrics for the SMB2 theme's opening notes, but I wrote an unintentional self-insert fanfic based on SMB2. RickTommy 01:24, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
  33. I love retro stages, Magicant is camping galore as well, sooooooAzantix (talk) 11:52, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
  34. Magicant made a level 9 Luigi look dumb.Snorlax TheGreat (talk) 08:15, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
  35. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 13:08, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
  36. I prefer beating up Birdo over getting beat up by Chicken Man198.98.24.19 19:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
  37. I prefer Mushroom Kingdom II because I am a Mario Fan.Crocodile Dippy 2 (talk) 14:14, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
  38. Jesus this hasn't been updated in a while...but yeah Magicant sucks. Your Senpai, Iron Warrior 12:13, November 20, 2019 (EST)
  39. everything is better than flying man lolStelgard M (talk) 17:24, December 25, 2019 (EST)
  40. Clearly, Flying Man is way to OP and unfair for the others when someone grabs him. I destroyed someone much better than me using him. They should trash either him or the stage. As for Mushroom Kingdom II, I have nothing against it. Mario Kart 7 Rules (talk) 12:37, March 2, 2020 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioFighter64 (talkcontribs) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  2. I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassinator (talkcontribs) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)
  3. MKII FTW! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (EST)
  4. Birdo is a better trophy than Flying Man in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BowserIsBroken (talkSpecial:Contributions/BowserIsBroken) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (EST)
  5. i love this stage, I think it's a very interesting idea, but mostly, I just don't like the flying man from magicant.SpiritSquirtle (talk) 18:36, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
  6. MushroomKingdom Because I'ts One Of My Favorite Battle Stages, But I Have Respects To Magicant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Kirby X (talkcontribs) 1:00 29, September 24
  7. Mario is my childhood. I also have never heard of magicant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:26, October 30, 2019‎
  8. Couldn't care less about the other one. --User:lucina-is-better-than-marth
  9. I like melee better, so Mushroom Kingdom 2 for me. 04:50, September 24, 2019 (EDT)
  10. I don't like this stage that much but I REALLY don't like Magicant so this one gets my vote. -Chiruria! 12:52, February 21, 2020 (EST)

Votes for Magicant[edit]

  1. Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
  5. The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. RagnarokSignature.png Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
  6. Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. Kirbitzein (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  7. Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. Warriorking98 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
  8. I like this stage a lot. -- 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
  9. I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. Mudmag (talk)
  10. It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. Andreepika11233 (talk) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
  11. A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
  12. Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  13. I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. John John3637881 Signature.png HUAH! 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  14. Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. RisingFalcon (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  15. Prettier and chock full of cool references. TheDavsto (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
  16. Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. Super A (talk) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
  17. It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. Aqua Shield (talk) AquaShield.png 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
  18. Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P OctopusSandwich 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
  19. -- 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
  20. KoreanPJs (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
  21. RPGs > Platformers. -- 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  22. I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. MimoMQ (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
  23. As a massive fan of the Mother series, this is a absolutely beautiful stage. Any mario stage (except for Ney Donk City Hall) is just to tell you how great the mario games are. (Fourside will always be the best mother stage). MasterDuelist_24 (talk) 10:39, 31 January 2019 (EST)
  24. The Flying Man ruins the stage but with stage hazards off its no biggie. Mushroom Kingdom II is too small to fight on. Tyler730 (talk) 13:05, 2 February 2019 (EST)
  25. One of my favorites. -- 18:22, 4 February 2019 (EST)
  26. it looks so cool man.Iamthedude (talk) 21:55, 24 February 2019 (EST)
  27. Magicant has godlike music and looks incredible. Makes me want an Earthbound Beginnings remake. --Plague von Karma (talk) 01:32, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
  28. Wow i never actually voted for this, anyway if this was exclusivly for the 3ds version of Magicant, then i'd say the other stage is better, but Magicant for ultimate looks so good to me it is almost no contest. Plus it isnt a walk-off XtraXtra headpng.pngTalk Edits 10:39, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
  29. I like the stage in its entirety, and Mario stages are boring. Plus, Magicant is very cute. I like the pink. 07:15, May 26, 2019 (EDT)
  30. I think this stage looks cooler than the other. That's pretty much all. JRJ007 (talk) 19:39, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
  31. The stage is cute. Plus, the Flying Man is great. LucasRules (talk) 17:34, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
  32. This one's far more creative than MK2, and the Flying Men aren't too annoying when you learn how they function. --MeatBall104 MB104Pic2.jpg 09:45, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
  33. Surprised this is still going on. I love both stages but I'm giving my vote to Magicant. Overall better looking stage and Ultimate's hazerdless option make it better to have a serious fight on in my (as I call it since I never played in real tournaments) pseudo tournaments, and generally I want to support the EarthBound franchise. SupaToad64 001Toad.jpg 02:09, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
  34. Two words: Walk-offs. Maybe that's one word. Whatever's the case, stages where you can walk into the blast zone are a bane for competitive and casual players alike, whether you're getting back-throwed into oblivion, or a combo brings you a little bit to far to the left while, frustratingly, you were close to 0%. Mogo (talk) 08:02, 6/10/2019 (EST)
  35. FLYING MAN!!!!DarkNight (talk) 11:06, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
  36. It looks like pink cotton candy!!!! 11:30, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
  37. Let's just say this stage really appeals to me personally. -- 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
  38. It doesn't have a walk-off section. Better for gameplay imo. 15:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)RSdabeast
  39. Great music, great callbacks to MOTHER 1, and just a great stage in general. It was a bit better in Smash 4 because the memories looked cooler and flying man was stronger, but Ultimate made it bigger so it's fine. Magicant best stage. 19:31, October 2, 2019 (EDT)
  40. Music is better, has nice throwbacks to an amazing RPG. Except Flying Man. Flying Man can die. LegendEH Is Very Handsome~ 11:22, November 22, 2019 (EST)
  41. I hate walk offs. they make me sad. CMWAidanx? Yikes. (talk) 16:42, December 2, 2019 (EST) 16:41 EST, 12/2/2019
  42. As of the visual update in Ultimate, I am now much more fond of this stage. It's also more fun to play on now, especially because you can spike opponents through the clouds. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 10:10, December 22, 2019 (EST)
  43. Magicant is just better to fight on in my opinion. Flying Man is pretty annoying, but the reason I'm giving a full vote because it has better music, and platforms, just listening to Unfounded Revenge/Smashing song of praise while fighting as Ness/Lucas on Magicant is enough to make me feel better. Weegeegaming|talk 04:31, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

Half votes[edit]

  1. This stage is more fun in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
  2. I prefer the music and the stage layout over Mushroom Kingdom II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epic Meme God (talkcontribs) 20:27, 5 February 2019 (EST)
  3. Mushroom Kingdom 2 is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, it's in Supcon!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LinkBoy (talkcontribs) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (EST)
  4. I am a massive fan of the Mother series, and plus this stage is beautiful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xay1494 (talkcontribs) 20:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
  5. Magicant also references Earthbound Zero. Its a fun stage with the Flyingmen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlaminKirb (talkcontribs) 12:56, April 12, 2019‎
  6. Magicant hazards off is pretty nice for casual doubles/free for all’s not gonna lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThiccMan (talkcontribs) 08:27, 2019 April 13
  7. I love this stage a lot! If I am not feeling like a serious 1v1, I might do a slightly more casual free-for-all on this stage. 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EST) Kalifguest22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalifguest22 (talkcontribs) 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EDT)
  8. FLYING BIRD MAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:22, December 11, 2019
  9. Just better —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 16:32, December 12, 2019‎
  10. As a casual smash player, this is a great stage for camping and a lot of people struggle with the bottom area.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:24, March 19‎, 2020


The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from Super Mario Bros 2. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in Sudden Death, it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music. 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
Amazing stage picks for this Smash Arena

How is this still going RetroPikaPikachuHeadSSB.png 04:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)

The wiki status is still Red, so not much attention is placed onto this. SugarCookie 420 14:54, 4 March 2019 (EST)
Still, these are supposed to be weekly, and it's been about 10 months. We should probably end this round at some point. Everone123 Everone123 Sig.png (u / t / c) 21:50, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
We are in a red Wiki status which means we must focus more on main articles than the SA. We can get new rounds once the status lowers to at least a yellow. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 21:58, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
We are now in the yellow status. It's still high, but we should probably have a new arena by the end of April. X-Biaur19 (talk) 10:10, April 25, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
We may be in yellow, but we are still in a very heavy yellow, which is honestly almost red, due to jokers reveal. It may seem like its unnecessary to have to wait this long but i dont think we should try to rush the admins right now. XtraXtra headpng.pngTalk Edits 12:29, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
That's fair.X-Biaur19 (talk) 10:07, April 29, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19

Hasn't this match been going for more than a year now?DarkNight (talk) 20:55, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

I think both stages are about equal in functionality when weighing strengths and weaknesses, but Magicant wins out for me not only because it's absolutely breathtaking, especially in Ultimate, but because of the rampant references to Mother 1 and 2. As anyone who has followed my edits knows (which I expect to be a grand total of zero), origins really really matter to me, so to see a stage crafted with such love for the source material just amazes me. Mushroom Kingdom II is no slouch either, but I'd argue it's slightly worse since almost all of its assets are just straight-up taken from All-Stars while Magicant uses mostly original models and animations. Sure it also takes things directly from both of the Mother games it appears in, but uses them sparingly and mostly just for a few cool call-backs in the background. I think it says a lot when I've never been a huge Mother fan and yet the love for the series put into this stage blows me away. 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

...This is going to end soon right? Supa Toad 64 001Toad.jpg 02:17, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

OK I think this one has had its run and we should stop it now. We may be in red but my god this just dragged on and on and on and on... Coconut2IsabelleHeadSSBU.png 10:08, June 25, 2019

If smash arena is supposed to have a new match weekly, this is exatly 1 year, 3 weeks, and 1 day overdue. Supa Toad 64 001Toad.jpg 20:35, July 1, 2019 (EDT)


First, calm down, it's not like this will go on for another millennium again. Second I will contact the admin team regarding when this will end. Supa Toad 64 001Toad.jpg 05:43, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

When will we get a new Smash Arena? 17:52, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

Just gonna put it here, do not comment on when we are getting another Smash Arena. The admins will get to it when they get to it, and asking again and again will get you nowhere. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 18:39, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, so when’s the new Smash Arena coming? Genuine confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCBlitz (talkcontribs) 22:13, November 12, 2019

Read what I said above. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 19:11, December 9, 2019 (EST)

Uhhh... how long has this been on? I just made my account in March and, judging by your comments, it's been like, two years. Weegeegaming|talk 04:37, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

Smash Arena is not a priority as of right now. The admins will make a new one eventually, not yet just. 001Toad.jpg OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (BUP) 04:40, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
If you want, you can join our Discord. We have an active Smash Arena there. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:49, April 13, 2020 (EDT)

Huh, I guess that's the end of Smash Arena. I stopped following it a few years back. RIP. --Meester Tweester (talk) 00:15, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

Smash Arena is on Discord now, the SA tab links to its page. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:21, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

Round 256: Sheik vs. Greninja[edit]

Sheik SSB4.png
Greninja SSB4.png

11 to 12
Greninja SSB4.png
Simple fight - ninja vs ninja, disguised vs. deceitful, blue vs. blue, needle vs. shuriken. Have at 'em.

Votes for Sheik[edit]

  1. Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? Serpent SKSig.png King 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. --Penro 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
  3. Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. RickTommy 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
  4. Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes (talk) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
  5. I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier SmileFtw123 (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
  6. I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.-- 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
  7. I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --UnbeatableSith (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  8. 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
  9. She has a chain. Pokebub (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  10. I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. TheNuttyOne 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. Shiek is better —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. very good at aerial combos# —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:46, 9 January 2018

Votes for Greninja[edit]

  1. I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. Miles (talk) 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  3. I like Pokémon more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in Smash is far more interesting to watch. 034.png DracoRex, Creator of the Land 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  4. Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in Smash 4 is... awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  5. R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank lasagna B) (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  6. In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  7. Better nerf Greninja ChuckNorris24.png  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  8. iStudying. Nuff said. Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
  9. -- 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
  10. Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
  11. I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! Capnap64 (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
  12. Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)

This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. User:SmileFtw123 User talk:SmileFtw123 Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main

Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105

Ay, they did change his final smash for Smash 5. Nice. Crazy456Rhino (talk) 15:18, November 5, 2019 (EST)


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