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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week (or possibly less often, if the wiki's status is high or there's not much voter traffic) this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!

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Round 257: Mushroom Kingdom II vs. Magicant[edit]

Mushroom Kingdom II Melee.png

~ to ~
SSB4 Magicant.jpg
These two worlds only exist within protagonists' dreams - who wakes up first?

Votes for Mushroom Kingdom II[edit]

  1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. I hate Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. Mushroom Kingdom II = Super Mario Bros. 2! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  5. The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. Pokebub (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  6. Magicant is just weird. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  7. This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. TheNuttyOne 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
  8. Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the Earthbound series. Super Mario Bros. 2 is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. Alex95 (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
  9. I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. Smash Master 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
  10. I like Melee... and Mario... 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
  11. It's very close for me, but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. Dakota.952 User talk:Dakota.952 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  12. For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. Captain Gamer (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
  13. mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game XVI (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
  14. Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. Kbimbatti22 (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
  15. I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. Sparkwave (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
  16. I don't know what to say Sammybambam11 (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
  17. Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  18. I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! RetroPikaPikachuHeadSSB.png 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
  19. Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! NicoNiconii (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
  20. I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. -- 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
  21. I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)Super Eli (talk) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
  22. -- 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  23. Here I am. UltimateWoomy (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
  24. Super Mario Bros. 2 is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.Magicant’s a pretty good stage too 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
  25. I MADE UP MY MIND! BESTIDIOTEVER (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
  26. Magican't win! |RK50 (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioFighter64 (talkcontribs) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
  2. I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassinator (talkcontribs) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Votes for Magicant[edit]

  1. Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
  2. 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
  3. Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
  4. I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
  5. The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. RagnarokSignature.png Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
  6. Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. Kirbitzein (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
  7. Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. Warriorking98 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
  8. I like this stage a lot. -- 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
  9. I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. Mudmag (talk)
  10. It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. Andreepika11233 (talk) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
  11. A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
  12. Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  13. I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. John John3637881 Signature.png HUAH! 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  14. Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. RisingFalcon (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
  15. Prettier and chock full of cool references. TheDavsto (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
  16. Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. Super A (talk) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
  17. It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. Aqua Shield (talk) AquaShield.png 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
  18. Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P OctopusSandwich 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
  19. -- 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
  20. KoreanPJs (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
  21. RPGs > Platformers. -- 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
  22. I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. MimoMQ (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. This stage is more fun in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)


The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from Super Mario Bros 2. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in Sudden Death, it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music. 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.SugarCookie420 (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

Round 256: Sheik vs. Greninja[edit]

Sheik SSB4.png
Greninja SSB4.png

11 to 12
Greninja SSB4.png
Simple fight - ninja vs ninja, disguised vs. deceitful, blue vs. blue, needle vs. shuriken. Have at 'em.

Votes for Sheik[edit]

  1. Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? Serpent SKSig.png King 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. --Penro 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
  3. Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. RickTommy 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
  4. Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes (talk) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
  5. I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier SmileFtw123 (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
  6. I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.-- 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
  7. I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --UnbeatableSith (talk) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  8. 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
  9. She has a chain. Pokebub (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
  10. I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. TheNuttyOne 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. Shiek is better —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. very good at aerial combos# —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:46, 9 January 2018

Votes for Greninja[edit]

  1. I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. Miles (talk) 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  2. Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  3. I like Pokémon more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in Smash is far more interesting to watch. 034.png DracoRex, Creator of the Land 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
  4. Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in Smash 4 is... awesome! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  5. R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank lasagna B) (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
  6. In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  7. Better nerf Greninja ChuckNorris24.png  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
  8. iStudying. Nuff said. Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
  9. -- 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
  10. Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 Crazy456Rhino (talk) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
  11. I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! Capnap64 (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
  12. Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? Iron Reggie, Master of Memes 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)

This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. User:SmileFtw123 User talk:SmileFtw123 Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main

Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105


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