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Round 161: Roy vs. Ike[edit]

Roy SSBM.jpg
 Winner!!
Ike
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18 to 22
Ike SSBB.jpg
A matchup between a character and the character who supposedly replaced him that ended in a tie? You know that'll get a rematch someday, and here it is! Will one of the two spiky-haired swordsman get an edge this time around?

Votes for Roy[edit]

  1. Roy is more coolsauce and he's not arrogant and boastful. Dots The Kirby NintenNESsprite.png 11:04, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  2. Because he has fire. Bandit 12:26, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  3. He's our boy. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  4. Because Roy's redesign in Fire Emblem: Kakusei doesn't look nearly as retarded as Ike's. --- ReiDemon, Author Extraordinaire, 13:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  5. He has th3 ph1re!!!!!! Terrible is Halloween 15:14, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  6. Because I never play as Ike in Brawl. JamesHeart123 16:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  7. Very close, but I choose Roy in the end. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 00:42, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  8. A right royal rumble. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 07:57, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  9. We dislike Ike! ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 22:22, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  10. Roy's our boy! 142.244.164.103 13:02, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
  11. He's unlockable, plus I don't use Ike in Brawl. SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 15:30, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
  12. Ike: I'M TOO CHEAP! 217.44.196.42 04:06, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
  13. No! Roy must not lose! Roy's way better than Ike! ChuckNorris24.png 07:30, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
  14. 66.188.18.174 15:16, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
  15. Go Roy! 67.173.145.76 02:44, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
  16. "Roy's our boy!!" This was a very difficult match for me to decide... T_T As much I am inherently linked with Ike, his awesomeness is trumped by the one swordsman that introduced one of the coolest techniques ever to me: The peerless, OHKO-ing Flare Blade. Both fiery swordsmen are cool; had lots of fun playing as Roy in SSB Melee and Ike in SSB Brawl; hopefully, both of them triumphantly return in SSB4. Fenyx4 (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
  17. Well, he is my best character in Melee. RickTommy 00:24, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  18. What Fenyx4 said. 117.254.216.201 07:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

Votes for Ike[edit]

  1. One must not simply add fire to Marth. LightningBlue405MS.png 10:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  2. Because Great Aether. That's all it takes for Ike to be infinitely more awesome.174.20.251.84 12:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  3. Less of a clone. Air Conditioner AC.png I am the air con. 14:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  4. he's cool. Floor2000x (talk) 14:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  5. We Like Ike! 204.191.140.194 14:44, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  6. Ike's Final Smash is awesome and He has strong attacks Boxman992 (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  7. Ike's moveset is better, stronger and looks great too! SuperBowser (talk) 2:40, 28 October 2012 (IST)
  8. Note to self: make up better reasons than Brawl > Melee. 24.168.104.230 17:38, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  9. I like the Tellius storyline in Fire Emblem, so Ike gets my vote. Naked Snake 200px-Naked Snake.jpg 19:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  10. Lemme tell ya somethin': it is a pain to KO with Roy without using the same reliable finisher every time. Now with Ike, he may be hindered a great deal with painfully slow attack speed, but his attacks beat the banjos out of Roy's arensal, I'll tell you what. 71.199.133.103 20:23, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  11. So, so, so, so many reasons why I choose him. Also, I hate Fire Emblem! Supersmash4 (talk) 21:07, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  12. Ike says: "GREAT AETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and Roy says: Nothing cool whatsoever. Nintendosega75 (talk) 21:09, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  13. Ike, in my opinion, seems to be the strongest character in the game. Smash Master 21:43, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
  14. Because I can do this--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 06:08, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  15. Ike is one of my favourite characters, both in Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem. 110.174.90.69 09:09, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  16. Ike has some actual useable aerial attacks, and doesn't just have two moves to kill with. He simply is a better character with a much better moveset who is also not an inferior clone. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 09:31, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  17. He has no sypathy for vandels.The Cheese The Cheese.png 22:15, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
  18. I think Omega Tyrant-sama said it best. Hawk 21PSIWolf sig 1.pngTalk 08:37, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
  19. Ike is stronger. The Awesome 09:58, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
  20. We like Ike. We Like Ike. We Like Ike.94.1.111.135 16:33, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
  21. Because Ike can do this. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Half-votes[edit]

  1. Puh-lease Ike is way stronger, he can wield a heavy sword with one hand and plus his attacks do way more damage! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkzekrom0 (talk • contribs) 11:56 AM, October 29, 2012 (EST)
  2. I like Ike and have never played Melee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSmashBrawl (talk • contribs) 6:00 PM, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Black text on a blue background is almost as bad as black text on a navy background... Air Conditioner AC.png has a long signature 17:01, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

I agree I could barely see the votes at all on my iPad. Terrible is Halloween 17:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
XD "Let me tell ya somethin'" LightningBlue405MS.png 21:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
It is as bad as having to highlight just to read my own username. F1reBurn1ng (talk) 23:03, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
I lightened the background. If Toomai objects, he can change it back. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
Wrong, you made it darker. And yes I did change it back because this blue has been used many times in the past with few if any complaints, and it will continue to be used in the future. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Metroid 10:32, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
Alright I goofed in claiming you made it darker. I maintain that the change was unwarranted. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Emissary 19:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

This was ShupaRoeh's suggestion. Why didn't my suggestion make it? The Awesome 11:07, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Because either it wasn't as good, people opposed it, or Toomai didn't like it. Air Conditioner AC.png OH GOD A HURRICANE 11:16, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
How do you know your suggestion's not in the queue? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Free 12:41, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

Round 162: Flat Zone vs. Flat Zone 2[edit]

Flatzone copy.jpg
 Winner!!
Flat Zone
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17 to 14.5
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The home stages of Superflat World are up in this bout. Which version of the land of LCDs will black out the other?

Votes for Flat Zone[edit]

  1. Flat Zone 2 was a bitch, especially with the blast lines. And even though I haven't played Melee, it looks like it has a better layout.--Wolfsig.png PSIWolf The one and only! 10:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  2. This stage doesn't change often unlike Flat Zone 2. Dots The Doom NintenNESsprite.png 10:38, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  3. So much simpler.The Cheese The Cheese.png 11:00, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  4. Helmet, my favorite G&W game. Terrible is Thanksgiving 11:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  5. Better song. Bandit 12:05, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  6. The older the better. The Awesome 12:11, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  7. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  8. Smaller and simple for fun, quick matches. Unknown the Hedgehog 13:04, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  9. Why can't they just make a Manhole-based one which allows for meteor smashes? Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 13:17, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  10. Something about it makes it cooler. Shanderu MiniGhost.png 16:02, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  11. Better music. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 16:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  12. A world of pain awaits players in Flat Zone 2 with its constantly changing layout. Here, not so much. But...watch out for falling tools! 71.199.133.103 17:09, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  13. This one is way more faithful. Flat Zone 2 is Pictochat level unfaithful. Supersmash4 (talk) 18:40, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  14. Helmet is the shit! ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 19:48, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  15. I always had good times with Melee. Smash Master 20:28, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  16. I prefer the layout and music of this stage more. 110.174.90.69 22:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  17. I'll give this one to Melee. 217.44.196.22 03:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Votes for Flat Zone 2[edit]

  1. A toss up but the Fire and Chef stages seem more appealing. LightningBlue405MS.png 12:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  2. Has more games to showcase. 204.191.140.194 12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  3. I almost never play on Flat Zone because I find the music very disturbing. ChuckNorris24.png 13:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  4. New and improved! Air Conditioner AC.png Goo goo g'joob. 13:33, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  5. [insert generic brawl is better than melee vote here] JamesHeart123 16:22, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  6. This one changes and is way more fun. Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2012 (EST)
  7. MUCH better music. SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 09:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
  8. 142.244.164.178 13:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)
  9. Pity vote. RickTommy 21:54, 6 November 2012 (EST)
  10. Just 'cause. 129.128.29.72 10:03, 8 November 2012 (EST)
  11. I have more experience with this stage, and Flat Zone 2's stage transformations cause it to be a slightly more lively stage compared to the relatively "static" Flat Zone 1. It would've been nice if both stages were present in SSB Brawl similar to how both Pokémon Stadiums 1 & 2 were present. Here's hoping both Flat Zone stages return for SSB4. Fenyx4 (talk) 22:46, 8 November 2012 (EST)
  12. The extremely close blast lines aren't quite as problematic here, and the stage as a whole is slightly more interesting. Still a terrible stage, but not quite as bad. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 23:23, 8 November 2012 (EST)
  13. The music is what made me vote for this stage. =] Also, I never like playing on Flat Zone 1. =| 67.173.145.76 16:37, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Half-votes[edit]

  1. Never played melee before and flat zone2 is epic go brawl. The changes are awesome and CPUs oftenSD on it I win the brawl woo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.41.231 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 3 November 2012
  2. I 'unno. I do like Flat Zone 2's music more, and its gimmicks make for some truly stupid fun. Hawk 21PSIWolf sig 1.pngTalk 11:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
  3. flat zone two is awesome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.204.222 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 8 November 2012 (EST)

Comments[edit]

On the main page, the emblem for Flat Zone uses the Brawl Game & Watch emblem. Shouldn't it use the melee emblem as that stage was only in melee? ChuckNorris24.png 20:59, 6 November 2012 (EST)

I don't think it will make much of a diffrence. Terrible is Thanksgiving 21:04, 6 November 2012 (EST)
You're right, it really wouldn't, but I felt like I should point it out. ChuckNorris24.png 21:10, 6 November 2012 (EST)

Round 163: Light Arrow vs. Critical Hit[edit]

Light arrow.jpg
 Winner!!
Critical Hit
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12 to 21
Criticalhit.jpg
Two one-hit KO Final Smashes that fire in straight lines - what will happen when they clash?

Votes for Light Arrow[edit]

  1. Why not? Terrible is Thanksgiving 12:35, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  2. Light Arrow can go through solid surface. Brawls of fury (talk) 12:50, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  3. Pity vote. But I must admit, Marth's is way cooler. Nintendosega75 (talk) 13:51, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  4. I've never survived.The Cheese The Cheese.png 14:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  5. I dislike Marth a lot, and personally I think Light Arrow looks cooler, even if it's not an OHKO. 110.174.90.69 21:00, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  6. LoZ over Fire Emblem any day.68.115.61.130 12:22, 12 November 2012 (EST)
  7. It can't kill the user.--71.160.139.126 02:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)
  8. Favourite Final Smash. =D 142.244.110.83 11:25, 14 November 2012 (EST)
  9. Pity vote. Plus, it's how you defeat Ganon(dorf) in Ocarina of Time. RickTommy 20:37, 14 November 2012 (EST)
  10. I promise you, Light Arrow, next time I play through Minish Cap, I will obtain you. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 20:48, 14 November 2012 (EST)
  11. Vote for Zelly. 67.173.145.76 00:59, 16 November 2012 (EST)
  12. Sheik's light arrow helped me beat the guys at my dorm who excel at Smash (the only match I won against him, and there was a third player, which helps). JamesHeart123 01:07, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Votes for Critical Hit[edit]

  1. Almost always an instant KO. 204.191.140.194 00:37, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  2. Fire Emblem is freakin' awesome. 24.168.93.165 00:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  3. I've survived Light Arrow without the aid of anything to reduce/halt my knockback, the same can't be said for Critical Hit. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 01:01, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  4. Both can be easy to dodge, but at least Light Arrow can have some chances of surviving. Critical Hit, well, not so much. (Per OT) Dots The Doom NintenNESsprite.png 01:24, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  5. Deadlier.--Wolfsig.png PSIWolf The one and only! 06:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  6. I can bucket brake Sheik's, but not this. ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 08:18, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  7. Way more powerful!! The Awesome 08:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  8. I can easily say that I survived Light Arrow w/o MCing. Critical Hit... uh... not much luck. I love OHKO attacks! Smash Master 10:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  9. It's Marth. Besides, Zelda's is too quick and easy to miss with. SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 11:23, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  10. I don't like LoZ that I have such a tendency to pick on Legend of Zelda characters. But enough about that; Critical Hit rocks! When Marth catches someone with Critical Hit, you...Are...OUT OF HERE! I have a hunch the unreal attack strength of this final smash is on par with Tabuu's Off Waves. Good luck surviving such a colossal blow! Sakurai and his crew did something right, I'll tell you what. 67.166.229.4 14:48, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  11. This... is barely a contest. Critical Hit is just SO MUCH BETTER. Air Conditioner AC.png IИ SФVIЗT ЯЦSSIД, SIGЙДTЦЯЭ SIGИ УФЦ! 14:53, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  12. If only Ganon's health bar went down that low from a Light Arrow in Ocarina of Time. LightningBlue405MS.png 22:56, 10 November 2012 (EST)
  13. Cooler. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 05:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)
  14. Better, realy.Heisei-Paratroopa (talk) 17:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)
  15. They're both awesome, but I like Marth, so Critical Hit it is.174.20.251.84 18:26, 11 November 2012 (EST)
  16. Fire Emblem. And it's just a better attack. Naked Snake 200px-Naked Snake.jpg 19:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)
  17. 'Dat ownage. 217.44.196.22 03:14, 12 November 2012 (EST)
  18. Marth is much cooler than zelda. This final smash is awesome.92.42.57.34 06:15, 12 November 2012 (EST)
  19. It's a guaranteed one-hit KO.SuperBowser (talk) 16:20, 12 November 2012 (EST)
  20. Marth all the Way! ChuckNorris24.png 17:29, 12 November 2012 (EST)
  21. Look at all that HP drop! 129.128.29.72 10:07, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Comments[edit]

I know that I'm a little late to comment on this round, but I think that a Light Arrow (Zelda) vs. Light Arrow (Sheik) battle would be interesting. ChuckNorris24.png 17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Round 164: Sonic vs. Shadow[edit]

Sonic.png
 Winner!!
Sonic
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20.5 to 12.5
Shadow the Hedgehog.png
Your garden-variety good guy vs. bad clone matchup - no explanation needed. Vote!

Votes for Sonic[edit]

  1. Sonic is faster!! The Awesome 10:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  2. I like him more. 204.191.140.194 11:48, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  3. I would vote for Shadow, but Sonic actually has been having some decent games lately. Also, Shadow seems very uninspired. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:16, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  4. Despite his games being sluggish and that his attacks don't have much knockback, Sonic would always be cool to me since 1991. Dots The Thanksgiving NintenNESsprite.png 12:18, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  5. To spare RD the anguish of eyes stabbed out by a dull spoon. --RoyboyX Talk 12:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  6. The older, the better! PepsiBoy I am back! 12:23, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  7. Because... his image is transparent. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 12:43, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  8. I don't really like Sonic, but I really don't like Shadow. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 12:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  9. His series was epic, especially in late 2011. ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 12:51, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  10. Sonic is better. 108.162.156.108 14:01, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  11. I... can't see anything...The Cheese The Cheese.png 14:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  12. Sonic is my 2nd favorite character. Smash Master 09:55, 18 November 2012 (EST)
  13. Nothing wrong with Shadow, for his role, he's perfect, I just like Sonic more, that's all! TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2012 (EST)
  14. 142.244.109.159 11:36, 19 November 2012 (EST)
  15. You're too slow! SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 13:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)
  16. Have always preferred Sonic to Shadow. 110.174.90.69 18:12, 20 November 2012 (EST)
  17. Kids, there's nothing more cool than being hugged by someone you like. But if someone tries to touch you in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good. It's your body; no one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to! So what do you do? First, you say 'No!' Then, you get outta there! Most important, you gotta tell someone you trust, like your parents, your teacher, a police officer. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 23:11, 20 November 2012 (EST)
  18. This shall be a pity vote. I'm not much of a Sonic player due to his rock-bottom move set and KO potential in relation to every other character, but at the same time, Shadow does nothing to damage anyone, let alone KO. 67.166.229.4 20:43, 21 November 2012 (EST)
  19. --TommyNook (talk) 11:07, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Half-Votes[edit]

  1. Sonic is actually playable and shadow is rubbish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.41.231 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  2. sonic rocks—Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.69.210 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 November,2012 (EST)
  3. Sonic is the best videogame character yet by my opinion (and mario, but right now, this is about Sonic.).-Kaizer24.185.135.102 18:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Votes for Shadow[edit]

  1. He has a gun! Terrible is Thanksgiving 10:27, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  2. He's the only Sonic newcomer I want in SSB4. Most people are wanting Dr. Eggman, but come on, he's a boss not a playable character. Nintendosega75 (talk) 14:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  3. I was going to vote for Sonic, but I forgot why. JamesHeart123 15:54, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  4. Bow your heads low, all hail Shadow! 24.168.93.165 19:08, 17 November 2012 (EST)
  5. Why would anyone vote for sonic. Shadow is a better and much cooler version of him. 94.15.44.170 02:53, 18 November 2012 (EST)
  6. Pity vote, and also so people can actually read my signature. Air Conditioner AC.png is a siam cat 15:48, 18 November 2012 (EST)
  7. I know Sonic will win no matter what I do, but, in all honesty, Shadow has all of Sonic's powers, plus the whole Chaos Control thing.174.20.251.84 21:12, 18 November 2012 (EST)
  8. Shadow.92.42.57.34 06:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)
  9. How do you make Sonic more BA? Make him black68.115.61.130 12:33, 20 November 2012 (EST)
  10. He's got a hairy chest. ChuckNorris24.png 17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
  11. 129.128.29.72 10:02, 22 November 2012 (EST)
  12. He has control over time. Toadat9021doh (talk) 13:52, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. Why not vote for Shadow he is amazing! He is about as fast as Sonic plus he is Sonic,only he was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs)


Comments[edit]

I'm wondering why the Brawl artwork wasn't used for this battle. That doesn't mean I don't like it though, in fact I think it kinda cool. ChuckNorris24.png 17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Probably wanted to make it more in-universe or something. 108.29.19.27 21:23, 21 November 2012 (EST)

Round 165: Wii Remote vs. Nunchuk vs. Classic Controller vs. GameCube Controller[edit]

WiiMote.jpg
Wiimote Nunchuk.jpg
Classic Controller.jpg
GCCont.jpg
Winner!!
GameCube Controller
GCCont.jpg

5.5 to 9.5 to 3 to 21
The first four-fold fight is up. Which way of Wii control is preferred?

Votes for Wii Remote[edit]

  1. I'm way too used to using this controller. 204.191.140.194 13:23, 24 November 2012 (EST)
  2. Hah! I pity the fool...er, second-fool. --68.43.192.71 13:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)
  3. We can move it around anywhere! The Awesome 23:10, 24 November 2012 (EST)
  4. it's the simplest. Floor2000x (talk) 20:39, 25 November 2012 (EST)
  5. Can't start the game without it. 129.128.29.72 10:16, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. Who hasn't used this one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.175.213 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)

Votes for Nunchuk[edit]

  1. That's right. This is how I play Brawl. Come at me. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 11:02, 24 Novembe