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Could not edit user page[edit]

Hey Toomai, just letting you know that Smash Wiki will not allow me to edit my own user page because it says "you do not have permission to create this page" and I was wondering if you could do anything about it. Thanks for your help and understanding.

Warriorking98 (talk)

I’m not Toomai, but because the wiki is in a Red status, all userspace editing is restricted to autoconfirmed users. Please also keep in mind that userspace editing is currently heavily restricted for the same reason, so even once you do gain access, please try to make userspace edits sparingly, and do as much editing in the mainspace as you can in the meantime. Hope this helps. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:15, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Violations of SW:1RV[edit]

It seems like SW:1RV has been more-or-less forgotten as of late. Every time I've logged on recently there's yet another edit war going on. Fortunately, they're usually pretty minor, but they also seem to be much more common than usual. Despite the policy clearly stating the only exceptions are vandalism and obviously false information like Mewtwo being in Brawl, it seems like most users have decided that they have final say over grammar, what qualifies as good trivia, how to handle unclear facts about Ultimate, etc., and no one is putting any effort into discussing it, just repeatedly undoing each other. The culprits aren't consistently the same people so it seems pointless to issue warnings, but I do think it's something that needs to be addressed -- I'm just not sure how would be the best way to go about it. TheNuttyOne 11:55, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

It's probably just because more edits means it's harder to catch everything and keep up with all that's going on, so people just edit and move on. I disagree that warnings are pointless. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Cloronic 15:39, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
I'm going to throw my paws up and admit that I've been guilty of this myself as of late, however I will attempt to mostly defend my actions by saying that usually when I do this, it's because some other policy was being violated at the time, which to be fair, 1RV permits. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:29, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

Revision deletion request[edit]

I saw that This IP made a ton of revisions with the f bomb, and I believe that because of those offensive words it should be deleted, I know that SmashWiki is not censored, but that is a breach of that policy by abusing the the policy. George Jones.jpg George Jones Walls Can Fall.jpg 12:40, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Revisions only get deleted when information in an edit is extremely unsafe for the general public. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 12:42, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
Well there are also children that browse the site you know. George Jones.jpg George Jones Walls Can Fall.jpg 12:45, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
SmashWiki is not censored. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 12:50, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
Not Toomai, but request denied. No need to delete standard vandalism revisions. Serpent SKSig.png King 14:57, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Yeah that's not gonna fly. Revision deletion is the nuclear option for stuff like personal information or extremely offensive content. Typical vandalism's not sufficient. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Sharp 22:09, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Super mushroom anomaly in Brawl[edit]

I'm not sure why this is, but for some reason although it normally has a multiplier of 1.56, when used on Captain Falcon in Brawl it seems to have a much higher damage multiplier. Do you know why this is? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 12:33, 26 July 2018 (EDT)

I can't say I know either, but I will say that we have that detail noted, and it's not exclusive to Falcon. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 13:06, 26 July 2018 (EDT)

Cannot View All Characters Under Tier list[edit]

Hey Toomai, I was speaking to Aidan on gmail about this and he suggested contacting you. My issue is viewing all of the characters under Smash 4 tier list. It tends to cut off 28 and 45 over on the right side. I am using Google Chrome on my Mac. I try to zoom in/out, but that does not work, and it also does not allow me to scroll over to see them all. Also I notice while I am at my HP using Chrome, it has a similar issue. But this only arises when I make my window smaller.

I had another friend try it as well, and he is having the same issue. On mobile we are at least able to scroll over to see all the characters, but desktop does not let us. Any ideas on how to fix it or possibly make the character tier list a smaller image? Maybe just a possibility to scroll?

I was thinking maybe one suggestion is bring that image towards the front? It seems to be that the white side of the page that has the "Ads keep SmashWiki independent and free:)" starts to cover the image. Is it possible to bring the image to the front so it is over that white page?

Thanks EKnopp21 (talk) 09:34, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

So, I'm not Toomai, but I happen to also use Chrome on Mac and have not had this problem. Perhaps you are running an old version of Chrome? If so see if updating it fixes the problem. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:43, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Well the easy answer is to just stay logged in so the ads go away, but yes I see what you mean. I'll make a tweak to the table that works elsewhere and see if that helps. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Polychromatic 06:46, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

Do you know how long it takes for the ads to go away? I actually have not seen any ads, maybe because I have an ad blocker? Should I just turn it off? But oh my God thank you so much for adding that scroll bar!! EKnopp21 (talk) 11:45, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

Please change my username[edit]

Hello Toomai. I've been wanting to change my username since people are obviously finding it offensive and as an argument starter by itself. Please change my username to S.Palmer instead.

Thanks in advance! —S+ Tier (List) | Look what I've done!!! 12:35, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

As SW:NAMECHANGE says, post here again in a few days to complete the rename. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Polychromatic 06:46, 19 September 2018 (EDT)
Yes, I'd like to confirm. —S+ Tier (List) | Look what I've done!!! 00:17, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

I'm Back…[edit]

Hey Toomai, just wanted to give you a head's up that I'm back to being active here. I'll mostly work behind the scenes, cleaning up the writing (there's a lot of passive voice, incomplete sentences, etc.), but am also happy to help out where needed. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:03, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

A Rename Request[edit]

Sorry to bother you about this, but could you change my username if you don't mind? I want it to be "IkOzael", changin' the zero to an o just to keep it consistent with my other profiles on other websites. I plan on gettin' back to updating things on SmashWiki after being absent some time after Sm4sh's lifespan.

Ik0zael (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2018 (EST)

as per SW:NAMECHANGE write back here or on my talk page in a few days to confirm. Serpent SKSig.png King 14:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)

I'm ready to change my username. Ik0zael (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2018 (EST)

Username change request[edit]

I'd like my username to be changed to "Ardub23" to match the name I use on other sites and wikis. I'll be back in a few days to confirm. Thanks! Randomwaffle23 (talk) 16:13, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Okay then. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Irrepressible 20:50, 6 November 2018 (EST)
I'm back to confirm. Randomwaffle23 (talk) 13:22, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Tabs for Boxing Ring titles[edit]

Per my latest comment on Talk:Boxing Ring, I think the way localized Boxing Ring titles are being handled in Ultimate is going to be make things very messy if we try to put the Smash 4 and Ultimate titles in the same table. The ideal solution would be to use tabs, so we can put one table for each game in the same spot on the page and allow the user to switch between them. I'm picturing something like the special moves navigation box, but where clicking the icons actually changes the content in-place instead of sending you to a different page. Apparently there is a tabs extension for MediaWiki, which I imagine only Porplemontage can add, and which would require additional styling once added. Thoughts on this? Alternatives include stacking the two tables with expand/collapse toggles (collapsed by default for Smash 4 once Ultimate is out), or making a list article for each game instead of keeping the tables in the Boxing Ring article. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:19, 8 November 2018 (EST)

Alternate costume image sizes for Ultimate[edit]

I feel the image size for Smash 4's alternate costumes is rather small. The image size on the page is one thing, but it should at least be clickable to see the costumes in higher quality. Assuming you'll be assembling the final templated images for Ultimate, can you consider making them something like 3 times bigger? SuperFalconBros (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2018 (EST)

This is a hard balance to get right because it's important to have the Find Mii colour bar at the bottom be a crisp and readable thickness at page viewing size while not simultaneously being an ugly eyesore at full size. I do believe the SSB4 ones are smaller than they need to be partly because there wasn't good access to large images at the time of creation, so if that was the major hurdle SSBU probably won't be the same. (Maybe I could try sizing up the SSB4 ones as a test?) Toomai Glittershine ??? The Quiet 06:40, 20 November 2018 (EST)
If it's tricky to deal with the color bar, maybe the template could be adjusted so that's a separate image? The stock heads are already separate. SuperFalconBros (talk) 10:19, 20 November 2018 (EST)
The original reason for making the colour bars part of the image was to stop good-faith-bad-knowledge users from easily changing them from "correct" to "what I think makes sense" (like, in SSB4, changing Charizard's yellow colour from "orange" to "yellow" even though "orange" is the in-game value). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Rainbow 06:58, 21 November 2018 (EST)

Well, I don't how long this has been available or if it's common knowledge already, but the website has renders available for all alternate colors. E.g. for Piranha Plant here and here. These are higher quality than the in-game files, and Pokémon Trainer is probably the only one whose palette image can't be created solely from these images. So, I'd be happy to go ahead and get started on the palette images using these (although I don't have the whole roster unlocked so I can't check all the Find Mii colors), but I wanted to check if you were already working on them? SuperFalconBros (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2018 (EST)

I'll have a look; I know some Python image editing tricks so I should be able to do it quicker than anyone can do manually. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Awesome 15:31, 8 December 2018 (EST)

Alternate Costume Renders[edit]

Hey there! I just would like to know where did you got the renders for every alternate costumes of the characters in Ultimate. Thanks! - Hugman [ User page | Contributions ] 12:08, 10 December 2018 (EST)

They're all on the website now; you can see them by clicking the image on the character page. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Irrepressible 19:13, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Name change[edit]

Hello Toomai. I'd like to change my username from Moobussir to "Moobs", as I made my SSBWIKI account before I created my true Smasher tag, and used an old and outdated online alias of mine until I made my Smasher tag. Much appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moobussir (talkcontribs) 23:50, 17 December 2018 (EST)

As per SW:NAMECHANGE, post here again in a few days to confirm. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Breegull 09:50, 18 December 2018 (EST)

Hello again. I hope enough time has passed to allow my username to be changed to "Moobs". If not, let me know. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moobussir (talkcontribs) 23:08, 19 December 2018‎ (EST)

Button Template[edit]

Can someone pls explain to me how the Button Template (Template:Button) works? It's pretty chaotic. Maybe someone can transform it in something that looks like normal code so that i can understand it. I wanna know how i can add Buttons of Switch Controllers ProLink (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Have you tried (previewed) the examples as given on the template page? It should be clear from there.
Also we don't currently have Switch button icons. It's on my list of stuff to do. Toomai Glittershine ??? Da Bess 15:14, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Vandalism on Smasher:Salem[edit]

I'm assuming you know of the situation, but I'm letting you know in case you don't. Everone123 (userpagetalkcontribs) 22:15, 25 December 2018 (EST)

SVG stuff.[edit]

First off, I don't know if you know, but the Smash Ultimate site has official SVGs for all the series symbols now (including the stage-only ones). I imagine you've traced PNGs in the past to make the ones we've been using on here, but if you go into the sources on the site, you'll find this, which contains official SVG data for all the series symbols. If you use Inkscape like I do, you'll actually find them all under the Object/Symbols menu; the ones with the "m_s_" prefix are the stage versions, so I'd recommend using those alone for size consistency when you go to dress them up in the wiki style (the ones with just an "m_" prefix are for fighters, which are slightly smaller and don't include the icons for stage-only series; also the Smash logo is under the "mii" label).

As aside, do you also have the source SVGs for the article icons? I figured it might make sense to swap out the PNG versions with those like we've done with the series symbols, but even if we don't, I'd actually appreciate it if you uploaded those versions anyway because I could use them for something, if you don't mind. VinSymbol.pngVinLAURiA (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2019 (EST)

I knew the site had .svgs (though not about this specific file). I didn't really feel the need to replace what we have with them to begin with because I don't know of any noticeable inconsistencies; I guess I could but it's not exactly a high priority. (And of course we have to keep the manual ones for stuff like Brawl Snake and SSB64 Metal Mario.)
I do have the source .svgs for the wiki icons, but I was in the middle of remaking them for raw usage (because some of the first versions used Inkscape filters and stuff that browsers won't understand) so they're incomplete. You can see what I have so in Category:Wiki icons. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Cloronic 21:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)
Ah, I was talking about the game icons in particular (y'know, 64/M/B/4/U). As for the series icons, fair enough. Just figured I'd let you know. VinSymbol.pngVinLAURiA (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2019 (EST)
Ooh the game icons are a problem because they weren't done in pure .svg; the rainbow swirl of the "series" icon and the patterned fire of the SSB4 ones were generated by GIMP and pasted in. I haven't gone back to see if they can be tweaked to be more pure because I figured they were lesser priority. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Obfuscating 07:08, 30 January 2019 (EST)
Ah, well the SSB4 one I was primarily interested in the outline of the fire than the inner pattern; I could use that for something I'm doing, which is primarily why I'm asking. But even then, I don't think having SVGs with raster elements inside them would hurt for wiki use for the time being, and we can always update them in the future when we figure out a way to recreate the elements in pure vector.VinSymbol.pngVinLAURiA (talk) 15:33, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Username change request[edit]

Hi Toomai, I would like to request my username to be changed. It is currently "ComJacker", and I would like to change it to "ComJay". I have read the procedure at SW:RENAME. My signature uses the new name but I want my username changed to be consistent with it. The links in it direct to my current username and I will fix it once the process is complete. --ComJay (talk) 06:09, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Alright then; post here again in a few days to confirm. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Loony 06:39, 30 January 2019 (EST)
I wish to confirm the name change. --ComJay (talk) 23:04, 3 February 2019 (EST)


Hello Toomai.

I was wondering if you can help me with resetting my password. I never set up a email for my account and I'd hate to set up a whole new account again in the case I can't login anymore (I've been using "Keep me logged in"). Is there any other way you can help me? Thanks in advance. WolfBloodSpam (talk) 19:52, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Special:Preferences has a link to a page called Special:ChangeEmail, so I'd suggest you try that first. If that's no good for whatever reason, I believe there is a way for me to force a password reset on you, but you will need to provide me with an e-mail address. (You can use Special:EmailUser if you don't want it revealed here.) Toomai Glittershine ??? The Superlative 19:58, 30 January 2019 (EST)
It worked. Thank you so much. WolfBloodSpam (talk) 20:06, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Plant Stock Icons[edit]

Piranha Plant's in-game stock icons were uploaded to the Spriters Resource, are you going to get that bot to add them to the wiki? LuigiHeadSSBU.png Luigi1234 (talk) LuigiHeadSSBU.png 09:20, 1 February 2019 (EST)

To be honest I didn't expect it to be done this quickly because other stuff got decode-jammed. But yes, I'll be on it right now. (I don't need to involve XL when it's one character at a time.) Toomai Glittershine ??? The Chilled 20:23, 1 February 2019 (EST)

A possible way to treat both the ellipsis and the special stages symbol equally[edit]

I noticed that you said that you weren’t entirely happy with the decision that only Ultimate’s general music and spirits pages for minor universes received the elliosis. I agree, mostly because it makes no sense that a page represented by an ellipsis would link to pages with the special stages symbol. I do have a compromise that hopefully isn’t parroting previous points. However, as Serpent King and the other admins are clearly satisfied, I figured the safest bet was to propose this compromise specifically to you:

  • If the series of either the mii costume, item, or AT has either music or a spirit that is in the “other” category, then their page will be given the ellipsis.
    • Addtionally, even if the mii costume or item is completely unrepresented in Ultimate, if another character or item from the same series is still in Ultimate as a spirit, or music from their series is listed under “other” in Ultimate, they will also be given the ellipsis by extension. This refers specifically to the Virtua Fighter and Monster Hunter costumes.
  • If the item or mii costume (all past AT’s are at least spirits already) are completely absent in Ultimate, or their respective series is not represented in any way, shape or form, they will continue using the special stages symbol. For example, the Rareware items will continue using the special stages symbol.
  • Minor namco universes are a bit goofy. With the exception of Tekken, all of them have music represented by PAC-MAN instead of “others”. On the other hand, both the Boss galaga and Special Flag are listed under “others” for spirits. As only Galaga has a full song instead of a medley considered to be a PAC-MAN song, Boss Galaga receives the PAC-MAN symbol. The Special Flag will be given an ellipsis, due to only having a medley represented with music. Heihachi and Gil are part of Pac-Man’a roulette taunt, so I honestly don’t knoe where to put them. However, Lloyd is completely unrepresented in Ultimate, and thus will stay using the special stages symbol.

So, the following pages will still 100% use the special stages symbol: Battlefield (SSBM), Cloaking Device, and Lloyd Irving. Heihachi and Gil may still use the special stages symbol, but they could also use the ellipsis if the minor cameo is considered enough to give it to them.

Is this a good suggestion? I apologize if I sound tok desparate to change this. Lou Cena (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2019 (EST)

You sound fanatically desperate to change this ultimately minor detail. And a discussion being closed doesn't mean you can re-open it on another talkpage. Toomai Glittershine ??? El Pollo 19:27, 13 February 2019 (EST)

Template Talk: Symbol archive[edit]

Can I archive that talk page? I know it isn't that big yet, but it would probably put a stop to the discussion once and for all. SugarCookie 420 19:37, 13 February 2019 (EST)

Take the discussion and put it in the old archive. It shouldn't be split as it is now. Serpent SKSig.png King 19:39, 13 February 2019 (EST)
Including the one created today? SugarCookie 420 19:41, 13 February 2019 (EST)
What you have there is fine. Serpent SKSig.png King 19:44, 13 February 2019 (EST)

When will I be eligible for a rename?[edit]

I have been renamed a while back. When will I be eligible for my next rename? George Jones.jpg Corrin Fan Walls Can Fall.jpg 19:48, 19 February 2019 (EST)

As per SW:RENAME, you must wait six months before making another username change. Since you were renamed on September 5th, you are eligible for another rename after March 5th. NokiiSig.png Nokii — 20:36, 19 February 2019 (EST)

Dealing with talk page vandals[edit]

Is it fine if I remove talk page vandals. For example, the Skull Kid obsessed IP vandal on the leaks talk page, Memoryman3’s sockpuppet on Lucina’s talk page and the clones page, and arguably me on this talk page (if attempting to reopen the symbol argument too soon on a user’s talk page is really vandalism). They’re disruptive, and there is absolutey no reason to keep them if it’s clear vandalism. Lou Cena (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2019 (EST)

It seems like you are equating "disruptiveness" with "vandalism". This is not necessarily the case. Someone who posts "engfh" a hundred times or "character sucks ~~~~" on a talk page is clearly vandalism, and there's usually nothing wrong with removing it. But your given examples are more like someone continuing to push their personal agenda long after they've warn out their welcome. I'd argue those should be kept in most cases simply to have further documentation of the disruptive behaviour; if someone does choose to remove it, it should probably only be an admin if they just handed out a block for that specific disruption offense (and even then, why remove evidence). Toomai Glittershine ??? El Pollo 06:42, 20 February 2019 (EST)

Question about two proposals[edit]

1. The gender proposal: should your suggestion over to the Manual of Style page? So far, everyone seems to be in favor of keeping default genders on XXX (SSBX) pages, but is entirely fine with letting them be gender-neutral on non-fighter pages. Additionally, you also stated “[you are] of the opinion that the singular "they" feels clunky and hard to grasp in the wiki context. Allow it as optional? Fine. Mandate its usage? No thanks.” I understnd this point, so I combined this point and your compromise into this:

Some fighters have no defined gender in their home series and change gender in some of their Smash Bros. alternate costumes (such as Robin and Inkling). When discussing these characters in the context of their home series, it is recommended to refer to them with gender-neutral language. When discussing these characters as Smash Bros. fighters, it is preferred, though not strictly required to use the gender matching the default costume. In either case, omitting pronouns entirely is a valid style.

Toomai Glittershine ??? The Obfuscating 19:42, 23 January 2019 (EST) (sic)

Would this be fine? I believe discussion is ongoing, but after two months, I think your suggestion would be the best way to end it. It doesn’t make anything overly strict. I just want the permission before adding it to the Maual of Style page.

2. The symbol change: “If you can come up with a new argument, that might justify more discussion. But I really don't think it would be a good idea to do that right now. Give it at least a month (maybe two) to calm down and roll over. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Boss 19:54, 11 February 2019 (EST)”

While it has not been a month quite yet, I do have several new arguements. In a week or two (or even three), should I move the last part of the discussion over to the archive, start a new section, and ban any prior arguements from being used again in the debate?

Sorry about the giant copy-paste. I just want some clearance on these two discussions. If I’m being too disruptive, I’m willing to accept the ban I likely deserve. Lou Cena (talk) 01:23, 28 February 2019 (EST)

Your level of focus on these two topics, and apparent willingness to say "ban me if you don't like it", is concerning. Why do you care about these comparatively minor details the most out of everything you appear to edit?
  1. I'll go add something to the MoS later today.
  2. Honestly I feel like you asking if you can bring it up again should reset the timer on it. The spirit of my comment was something like "we need everyone to get a clean state of mind about this", which isn't helped when someone keeps asking if they can restart it. In any case, banning "prior arguements" would be absolutely the wrong thing to do.
Toomai Glittershine ??? The Undirigible 06:42, 28 February 2019 (EST)
Thanks for giving me answers to both questions. To answer why I care about these minor details so much that it concerns you, I can tell you already have a bad feeling about me, so while I knew that the giant copy-paste was probably disruptive, I felt like I needed some clearance on what to do with these two topics. Because I knew that I was causing disruption, I wanted to make it clear that I knew that what I was doing was probably wrong. I don’t know. I may be thinking that the rules ae overly strict right now, due to the Wiki’s red status. As for why I focusnon those two the most, I prefer to focus more on formatting than on content, as I only own Brawl, and am fairly unfamiliar with the vastness of competetive play. I don’t trust myeslf editing such things, but I did see a few holes in the formatting (at least for me personally). Normally, I would be editing the clone pages righr now, as that’s where I know the most info, but those are rightfully protected for only established users, a group I am not part of due to not being on the wiki for long enough. I apologize if I’m misusing what the talk page is for. Lou Cena (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2019 (EST)

Yemen's flag[edit]

I believe we are missing Yemen's flag, which was used here. I would upload it myself, but you had previously reuploaded all the flags with some tweaks, and I do not know what those tweeks are. Is it possible you can upload a tweaked version? SugarCookie 420 12:57, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

Alright Yemen coming up. FYI, the tweak is to extend the boundaries of the flag 100px beyond the borders, because technical reasons when scaled down (not gonna type it all out unless you want it). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Golden 19:33, March 30, 2019 (EDT)

I made dis[edit]

As I was frustrated after making all those screenshots for nothing, I made this : [SSBU - Spirit Battle Previews]
Where could/should I link it ? YoshiRyu (talk) 07:56, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

You could put it in an "external links" section of the spirits page or something. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Interspacial 06:31, April 4, 2019 (EDT)
You mean this page ? It's a bit cluttered... maybe a sub-section in the Spirit Battle section ? YoshiRyu (talk) 07:23, April 4, 2019 (EDT)
I don't think it's a common thing for wikis to put "Check this external site for more info" in article bodies, which is why I suggested what I did. You could see if anyone else has ideas on its talkpage. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Pan-Galactic 06:33, April 5, 2019 (EDT)
Actually, I'm starting wondering if Spirit Battle shouldn't be a page of its own... It could have a general description, a section listing all the rules, and another listing all the conditions (and then the external link). YoshiRyu (talk) 07:42, April 5, 2019 (EDT)

Permission to reopen the symbol discussion[edit]

I know that I’ve been bothering you a lot lately, but this should be the last time I will in a while. I think enough time has passed. Nobody has mentioned anything about it since April Fools (which was my fault, but even then I was planning to reopen it before making a separate, even more unwise edit). Enough time has passed for all of us to be in a clear mind about it, and just because it’s a minor detail, doesn’t mean it should be dropped forever. I even made a draft to double check with you if I was following all of your suggestions (not hammering in a vote, staying civil, not discouraging any mention of anything on Template Talk:Symbol/Archive 1, etc.) Instead of using Template Talk:Symbol, I was planning on using the forum to have an official consensus on it once discussion was over. Lou Cena (talk) 01:30, May 2, 2019 (EDT)

I recommend you not waste your time. I took a quick poll on Discord and all staff who responded (and it wasn't just one or two) are still in unanimous agreement that this change would introduce usability issues and thus be actively detrimental to the wiki. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Eggster 21:44, May 3, 2019 (EDT)
What usability issues are you talking about exactly? Just curious, because I spent a while on that draft, and even did a thorough analysis on some of the key arguments from last time. Lou Cena (talk) 21:54, May 3, 2019 (EDT)
Because the three-dots symbol is what it is, it not only looks like a menu button rather than a symbol, but at small sizes it looks like misplaced text rather than an image. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Awesome 22:02, May 3, 2019 (EDT)

Rebound Modifiers[edit]

I've been doing some testing of rebounding in Ultimate, and in some cases the rebound duration doesn't seem to be concordant with how much damage they deal, particularly in the case of smash attacks. Do you happen to know if there is some sort of rebound modifier introduced in Ultimate? Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 11:43, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

I don't think there's a rebound multiplier, but it could be linked to some other multiplier. Do you have some specific examples? Ideally I'd like some cases where they match expectations as well as cases where they don't. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Steppin' 12:25, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
It turns out I was hitting the rebound duration cap, which in Ultimate appears to be 57 frames. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 18:58, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

Rename Request[edit]

I like to change my Smash Wiki Username to DogLover314. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 12:22, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

As per SW:RENAME, post again to confirm after a few days. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Honcho 06:29, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
I am confirming the name change. --Doggieboy9 (talk) 15:03, July 18, 2019 (EDT)

Smash arena[edit]

Now that the wiki status is yellow will there be a new smash arena contest soon? Supa Toad 64 001Toad.jpg 05:47, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Sorry for bumping this, are we getting a new arena contest soon? Supα Toαd 64, The Best 001Toad.jpg 04:28, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
OK one more time. SupαToαd64, the Best 001Toad.jpg 09:53, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Add template?[edit]

Hi Toomai! I'm over at Inkipedia, and I was wondering if you can create Template:User NIWA at that wiki, I tried moving the code, but I'm not really good at HTML:/ , but if you could help, that would be great. Thanks! --Hoodie The Wolf (talk) 07:56, August 31, 2019 (EDT)Hoodie The Wolf

I prefer to help others learn rather than do it myself when it comes to other wikis. So how about you start the template on Inkipedia, doing a copy-paste of the code and changing the images to whatever you guys have, and we'll see how it looks. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Victorious 09:05, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
Sounds good! Hoodie the Wolf Hoodie Signature.png (The guy that sucks at Smash Bros) 08:32, October 19, 2019 (EDT)
Done! Just one thing: I linked it on my userpage on Inkipedia, and the Bulbapedia logo duplicates after linking the account. But other than that, everything is linked, and works fine!
Hoodie the Wolf Hoodie Signature.png (The guy that sucks at Smash Bros) 09:42, October 19, 2019 (EDT)


I was wondering why you started changing the quotes all of a sudden. I thought the quotes were suppose to be at the top of a page and with the tab if there was more then one? Hasn’t it been that way for years? At least for them being at the top of a page. Why was it changed out of the blue? It looks really out of place. 08:37, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

Talk about moving the quotes somewhere else have existed for some time now, especially with many pages being crowded up on top with quotes. Also, the decision to use tabber was only made by one person, and many people on Discord have already expressed their dissatisfaction with using it that way. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 09:24, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

It only looks sudden because I seem to be the only one who cares about carrying out the change; no one else has helped do it so things are way out of date. Also, there was a fair amount of dissent about the idea of pagetop quotes back when they first started being added, but again, no one seemed to actually put their money where their moth was and put them back in a section. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Sharp 11:07, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

But if it was being discussed on here, shouldn’t it continue on here? Not everyone has Discord. 13:40, September 21, 2019 (EDT)
No it wasn't only discussed on Discord, it's been smattered across various talk pages around here too. Here's an example. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Different 09:46, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

What about the fighter quotes, like for Ultimate, or item quotes? They've always been on the top of the pages too. Or are those "exceptions"? 20:50, September 25, 2019 (EDT)

"Always" is a point of view; compared to the lifetime of the wiki, pagetop quotes have only been a thing for less than 20% or even 15%. They are a relatively-recent invention that was never truty justified even at the time. If there isn't a place for them on the page itself, they shouldn't be taking up space in the header. No exceptions. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Hammer 06:32, September 26, 2019 (EDT)

Change name[edit]

My name sounds biased, so can I be "MeleeBoi" please Lucina-is-better-than-marth (talk) 01:12, January 21, 2020 (EST)

As per the name change process, post again in a few days to confirm. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Quiet 06:43, January 21, 2020 (EST)

Alright I confirm Lucina-is-better-than-marth (talk) 04:44, January 26, 2020 (EST)

Armor Page Proposition[edit]

I've been attempting to get hold of you for a while regarding this through the Discord, assuming you didn't notice or something. My Brawl, Smash 4 and Ultimate data for the armor page lists, as well as the Armor page reconstruction are pretty much done. I would like your opinion on mainspacing, given Serpent King is on break.

Only thing I haven't done so far was your proposition for a different sort method. Main reasons are that I'm not entirely sure if it's necessary, and I've got a lot more work on my plate than just wiki editing. If it's necessary for mainspacing then by all means do it, as far as I know all the data is there except maybe some missing parts of Ultimate, and some parts of Smash 4's Custom Specials that simply aren't known.

Thank you for persevering with me, and sorry if we got off on the wrong foot at any point. --King K. Rool SSBU.pngPlague von KarmaKing K. Rool SSBU.png 09:24, February 19, 2020 (EST)

I think you're far enough along in the right direction that you don't need my personal approval for anything. Just bump the armour talkpage once or twice over a week or two, and if no one dissents, make it so. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Polychromatic 06:57, February 20, 2020 (EST)

Name change[edit]

I'd like to change my name from "El's Bladeworks" to "Eexey" now since this is the name that I go by now. I made a request on SK's talk page, but he hasn't replied for more than four days so I thought I'd go to you instead...if that's alright. Thanks! Eexey (talk) 15:48, February 20, 2020 (EST)

Since you have proven your willingness to go through with it by posting again after a few days, I will count this as your confirmation and do the change immediately. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Non-Toxic 06:53, February 21, 2020 (EST)
Thanks! Eexey (talk) 14:09, February 21, 2020 (EST)

Symbol talk page[edit]

After archiving the excessively long talk page I moved the discussion to the main talk page so that users will read your message, now I was just wondering if it's OK that I marked the proposal as failed since it's clear that the discussion is (hopefully) over. 001Toad.jpg OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (B U P) 07:30, March 2, 2020 (EST)

About My RfR[edit]

Thanks for reviewing it, and apologies for doing it incorrectly. Just wanted to ask out of curiosity how exactly I should’ve done it instead (I edit entirely on mobile btw). Gizmo (talk) 08:16, March 5, 2020 (EST)

I am not Toomai, but I also did the RfR on mobile. In his review, he mentioned that you pasted in the mobile version of Diffs instead of the desktop version. I think what I have done at the time was to remove the word Mobile in Special:MobileDiff so it didn't link to the mobile version of Diffs. Grand Dad.png Naughty🐽GRAND DAD 自閉肥宅 NiceGrand.jpeg 09:02, March 5, 2020 (EST)
Ahhh, ok. Thank you. Gizmo (talk) 11:16, March 5, 2020 (EST)

About Knockback and Launch speed[edit]

Hello Toomai. Back in November 2012 and June 2013, you made some pictures about a gravity formula affecting launch speed and knockback from Melee onwards respectively. I want to make a new page specifically about Launch Speed because having some info about launch speed in the knockback page gets confusing on which one the text reefers to, not to mention that Launch Speed should have it's own page anyways. It does make a little sense for launch speed info to be with knockback, but it should have it's own page to further deepen explanations on it. The problem is that I'm new to editing this wiki and will need help and seeing that you seemed to originally put those pictures there, I came to you. I'm not sure how to format my information about launch speed and I don't know how to make pictures like the ones you did. I think the first thing I would like to know is about the pictures though so I can make a launch speed formula The Holy Wooomy 10:26, March 14 2020 (EDT)

I think you are better served going to Talk:Knockback for this sort of thing so others can share opinions. Me, I don't think having a separate "launch speed" article would be useful because there is nothing about it that is not part of knockback. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Pan-Galactic 10:18, March 15, 2020 (EDT)