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Round 226: Wario vs. Shadow[edit]

Wario SSBB.jpg
Wario SSBB.jpg

37 to 32
Oh hey, it's a pair of evil clone-type anti-heroes.

Votes for Wario[edit]

  1. Shadow is fucking bad. DoctorPain99 12:04, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. Meh I have mixed feelings about Shadow. He may seem all kickass and stuff but he is simply another pointless "I come and I'll be a clone of this other character in the series" guy just to extend the number of characters in a series similar to Waluigi, who is just simply put bad. Wario is one of my favorite Nintendo characters since I feel like he's fun and humorous to have around. Plus he even remains quite successful and popular for a weirdo by even starting his own series. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Arceus 14:20, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  3. Shadow is overrated. 15:27, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  4. Wario for Brawl 4, guise. ConnyAirconny Snake Sig.png 16:12, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  5. Wario, unlike Shadow, was actually still a good character after his second appearance, additionally, Wario is actually a well thought-out character, who doesn't cry, or kill something over every little thing. Laikue (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  6. Because Wario is entertaining, and Shadow is one of the most overrated things I've ever seen. Hai. (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  7. Wario... he's gotta win. 17:16, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  8. 19:07, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  9. 01:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  10. I agree with Dr. Pain, Shadow's just really whingingly awful (as proven by his relegation to plebian Assist Trophy status) and unbearably emo. Wario is charismatically, disturbingly, brilliantly ridiculous. #WAHAHAHA Oasidu (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  11. Shadow is over rated, Wario FTW! SamisFusion (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  12. He's the character I most often use in the Mario Party series. However, I dislike his Brawl self, primarily because of one of his special moves. Let's hope that changes for SSB4... RickTommy 04:51, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  13. "Dark version of protagonist" characters are overused and always lame. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 08:36, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  14. Wario is a success story. He started out as the "anti-Mario" but established himself as a treasure hunter when the two patched things up, and is now a leader in the microgame business. Shadow on the other hand has failed to go beyond his miserable "tagalong" status, even with a game of his own. blue ninjakoopa 17:52, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  15. shadow a massive SHIT CLI (talk) 00:50, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  16. 01:37, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  17. 02:22, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  18. WARIO WAFT! PFFFT TigerJrAlmighty (talk) 10:30, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  19. Shadow is an obnoxious, boring, whiny, emo, cliché-riddled character that has no characterisation outside of WANGST WANGST WANGST. He is only liked by twelve-year olds who have no idea what makes a good character and who think that the evil doppelganger trope is still a pretty neat idea. He's the shits and I hope anyone who wants him to be playable in SSB4 gets repeatedly struck by lightning. Oh, and Wario is cool or something. --- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 22:23, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  20. Shadow lives up to his name. That's all he'll ever be. --Timson622222 (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  21. ...Shadow. VICIOUS VIRIDIAN!!!!!! (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  22. Now I don't blindly hate on Shadow, but I do prefer Wario more. I mean, who doesn't love immature potty humor and farting? ChuckNorris24.png 21:19, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  23. 04:16, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
  24. 5th main, do not let me down! Stelios7 (talkcontribslogs).
  25. I may hate Wario, but Super Mario is better than Sonic the Hedgehog, in my opinion. Red (Talk) Special:Contributions/Red 10:25, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  26. WARIO! Cha Cha Cha! My favourite character BY FAR! 19:02, 25 April 2014 (GMT)
  27. Shadow is overrated. 17:36, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  28. He is actually in Brawl as a fighter and Mario series is better then Sonic series. Xanthus (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
  29. Shadow is the ultimate lifeform? More like the ultimate Jerk! 18:57, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
  30. Per Dr. Pain. Crapfully Springed out, OB 18:14, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  31. Shadow is more overrated. 04:00, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
  32. Wario is the ultimate farter! 20:20, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
  33. 23:12, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
  34. Wario is love, Wario is life. Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 08:52, 30 April 2014 (EDT)
  35. 06:22, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
  36. Shanderu MiniGhost.png 02:29, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
  37. WAAAAARIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 05:17, 3 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Shadow[edit]

  1. Berrenta (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. I'm voting because reasons. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:17, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  3. Why did I vote for Shadow? 'Cause He's the ultimate life-form!Smashdude10 12:45, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  4. Cause logic. Terrible is Terrible 13:22, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  5. 13:58, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  6. Shadow looks cooler than stupid ol' Wario.Awesomelink234 (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  7. 16:42, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  8. Awesome! I wanted this one! Im voting for Shadow though albeit he isnt playable but im more familiar with him. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 17:06, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  9. I've never liked Wario, but Shadow has always been one of my favorites! 19:00, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  10. Because he's black and red and like 12 people on one site said black and red don't go together well. Rebellion. -- 20:11, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  11. More powerful than Wario, that's a given. Requiem of Ice (talk) 02:29, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  12. What can I say, I'm a bit of a fanboy. Just a tiny bit. 08:24, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  13. I hate wario. 12:17, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  14. Who's the best anti-hero? Well, all Wario want's is money - and who doesn't? ScoreCounter (talk) 13:46, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  15. Wario's annoying as fuck. Never liked anything tied to Mario to begin with (except, y'know, Smash Bros.). 19:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  16. Hmm. I don't find either of these characters powerful, so it's basically a design war. A creature that looks like something that crawled out of the depths of the underworld definitely beats any stereotypical biker/microgame producer.-- 23:52, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  17. Easily my favorite character in the Sonic The Hedgehog series, and I would probably main him in Super Smash Bros. 4 if he were to be a playable character. I have an excessively long list of reasons for Shadow, whereas I have none in particular for Wario. Also, to respond to Monsieur Crow about his Anti-shadow rant, Shadow is a great character because he is a tragic hero with a tragic past, present, and future. This makes one feel with the character and sympathize with him. Wario does not fit this bill. While Wario has a past, it is not extensive whatsoever; he has virtually no purpose in affecting the story. He is simply a character that Nintendo uses to laugh at with sick, childish humor, while Shadow is much more of a tragic hero. Signed by Mr. Mewtwo. 10:52, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
  18. 12:16, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  19. So powerful he has to wear power rings to keep himself in check. Plus, he's a hedgehog. 15:51, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  20. Long story here. He's the Shadow (obviously) of Sonic, one of the coolest beings ever to exist. Also, he went through some hard times in the game Shadow the Hedgehog. He has some unique abilities on his own, you know, with his gun and Chaos CONTROL thing. It would be such a shame if he didn't appear in SSB4 in some capacity. 18:17, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  21. I love Shadow :D Cherrim98Cherrim Box Sprite.pngTalk 19:34, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  22. I prefer Sonic Adventure 2 over Super Mario Land 2. (ThirdPlayer (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2014 (EDT))
  23. Its a Sonic character. End of story. Harro (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  24. I am...all of me... SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 08:07, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  25. TIE, TIE, TIE! 17:02, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  26. Both are overrated, i simply don't like Wario. 03:11, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  27. awesome50.32.212.177 09:59, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  28. just... just... there's my vote i'm outMrBoogey (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
  29. shadow is the awesome version of sonic, Wario is the fat version of Mario.Xyle (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2014
  30. SHADOW IS DOWN RIGHT BOSS!He has swag. well not in sonic generations User:Mightysmash 5:30, 29 April 2014
  31. Shadow's been my favorite video game character since I was 5 (I'm now 17), so yeah, I'm voting for him. Itsameluigi1290 (talk) 10:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. I'm not a big fan of either one, but at least Shadow isn't super gross. FirstaLasto 00:16, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. Shadow's the Ultimate Lifeform. Enough said? Wes762 (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2014 (EDT)


@Omega Tyrant Wario is also a "dark version of protagonist" character, don't think you saw that. 12:17, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Wario did start out as basically "Dark Mario", but he got divergent character development pretty quickly and is pretty much only a "Dark X" in name now. Unlike Shadow to Sonic, Wario doesn't need to be compared to Mario to be effective. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Riotous 12:34, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
So is Wolf technically a "Dark Fox"? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:11, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
Wow. I think Tyrant may have just screwed himself over with the "Dark" line. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:23, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
And Zeldafan (you should get a new, easier to refer to and more distinguishable name btw), Wolf isn't at all a "Dark Fox", his general characterisation is "rival counterpart". Also people, remember the comments of Smash Arena are not to argue about someone's vote. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 13:57, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
People can refer to me as ZSF. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 16:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
..."Comments about other users' opinions. You can point out that a user may have gotten a fact wrong, but you can't say things..." I pointed out a mistake in your vote, I'm not arguing. 17:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
And as Toomai pointed out, it's not a "mistake" at all. So again, there's no point to your coment (and the resulting discussion). Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 17:57, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

I would prefer it if there was no swearing in the Smash Arena. Harro (talk) 23:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Smash Wiki is not censored. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:14, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
Mm... Would you like me to edit my comment to remove said swearing? I'm sure you can edit your votes after voting, but I want to make certain it's a valid edit.
Assuming you're referring to my post, which I'm pretty sure you are. I wouldn't like to hamper anyone's experience, whether it's main-site or Smash Arena. 15:21, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
You can edit your vote, but it's completely unnecessary to, as SmashWiki does not have any rules against non-abusive swearing. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 15:26, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Uh, Shouldn't someone do something about Zebes_Crusher? Not only did he void rule 6, but he also modified another user's vote, I would do something about it myself, but I don't know what to do in this situation, nor if I have any authority to do so. Laikue (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Probably, but nobody seems to notice that the "first vote" for Shadow happened three days after SCR7's "second" vote... Dunno about what, if anything (other than bringing it up here), we can do. Oasidu (talk) 18:26, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
Huh, didn't even notice that, there really has to be a more descriptive rule list (for example, actually saying the the rules not to modify other users posts) and a more descriptive list of things we can do (or more active admins) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laikue (talkcontribs) 19:59, April 27, 2014 (EDT)
@unsignedcommentor--The rules above the actual matchup clearly state what is and is not allowed, but it would seem that people neglect to read them considering the amount of IPs who only post here and the unreasonable amount of Rule 6 breakers. I think technically we're allowed, as nonadmins, to move votes which are placed improperly but I don't have the technological capability to do so myself or I would have already. Oasidu (talk) 14:42, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
"(for example, actually saying the the rules not to modify other users posts"
This is one of the most fundamental talk page rules on the Wiki as a whole (or on any Wiki), and plain common sense, there's no excuse for someone to not know to not edit other people's comments to change what they're saying.
And Oasidu, nonadmins can move votes that are improperly placed (but Zebes' crusher was already taken care of how, so it doesn't matter anymore). Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:37, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
OT, I assume you're referring to my comment on "moving the comment already myself" if I were able (I'm not able because copy/pasting is exceedingly difficut on my phone and Wii), but I was actually referring to Wes762's comment at the top of Shadow's votes, which remains there as of now (I never did see Zebes_Crusher's alleged comment, nor do I now, though I may be overlooking it, seeing as the Shadow section's background makes the standard blue hypertext font color extremely hard to read). Regardless, thanks for confirming that information for future reference. Oasidu (talk) 23:52, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Though rather unimportant and stating the obvious...this match broke the records here with both combatants receiving more than 30 votes each. Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:43, 30 April 2014 (EDT)

Round 227: Planet Zebes vs. Brinstar vs. Norfair[edit]

Brinstar brawl.jpg

8 to 10 to 20
For whatever reason, the main stages for the Metroid series for the first three games all have the same hazard: a huge vat of burning stuff that's a bad idea to fall into. Which variant wins out?

Votes for Planet Zebes[edit]

  1. I like the music Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 13:17, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. ^^^ Red (talk) Special:Contributions/Red 14:03, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. Space? Space?!?! SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!! Laikue (talk) 16:57, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Pity vote. 08:24, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. 19:36, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. Temporary tie with Brinstar. 02:30, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. It's the most nostalgic one. Also, what Scr7 said. RickTommy 07:50, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. I have to agree with Rick it's nostalgic to me.GoldCoreKid 05:32, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Brinstar[edit]

  1. Lots of fond memories playing this stage 12:33, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. It has the least annoying hazards. Also, destructable terrain that changes the layout always gives a stage a tactical feel. FirstaLasto 14:01, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. I hate all of these stages with a burning passion, but this is probably the least annoying of the three. ChuckNorris24.png 14:10, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Dat music. Also looks better.Tepig (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. Zebes feels generic and Norfair has too many hazards. So hooray for Brinstar. Nymbare and his talk 16:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. Cuz iss Melee an Melee iss bessst 4eva /s. Terrible is Terrible 20:29, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. Norfair is definitely a great stage, but Brinstar is one of my favourites. It's small with a good placement of platforms, I enjoy jumping through the bottom of the stage, and the acid is not only easy to avoid, but it changes the flow of the game by moving everyone closer together. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatum 07:32, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. I don't have the Nintendo 64 Super Smash Bros., so Planet Zebes is out, since I am less familiar with it. I guess that I like Brinstar and Norfair equally, so I'll have to pick Brinstar because of nostalgia towards Super Smash Bros. Melee. Signed by Mr. Mewtwo. 19:04, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
  9. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 09:21, 9 May 2014 (EDT)
  10. I liked playing on this stage, and I loved the nostalgic music. Ness da best! (talk) 23:43, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Norfair[edit]

  1. What do you call a Metroid that cheats? DoctorPain99 13:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Metal Gear 14:34, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. Never played smash 64 and computers act very annoying on Brinstar. 16:34, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. This is where I saw a Marth player used their Final Smash to charge headfirst into a lava wall. Also lava is fun. -- 16:54, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. I really like how they executed this stage. The other two don't really impress me that much. But that's just me. Berrenta (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. I hate playing on the other two stages. Yeah, I'm aware Brinstar is the most "neutral" out of these three. But Norfair is relatively fun for me. Brinstar isn't. --Timson622222 (talk) 22:31, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. It has capsules and according to Spy Kids 3 it's molten magma.ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 22:44, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. Lava > acid. blue ninjakoopa 22:48, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  9. What ninjakoopa said. 00:39, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  10. Because lava. 11:22, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  11. It's Norfair. Ridley lives in the depths of Norfair. I like Ridley. So Norfair. 13:43, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  12. Norfair is an amazingly fun stage, where its hazards are easily avoided if you know you're doing and you can easily use them to your advantage. I also love taking people who keep picking FD or SV over and over to here, and then watching them fumble around with no idea of what to do. Plus, it's actually a great stage for many lower tier characters, especially Ganon and Bowser, while countering many higher tier characters, especially Snake and ICs. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 21:23, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  13. I agree with Omega. I will spray bugs lol (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
  14. there is a giant lava wave going towards people who don't like this stage Xyle (talk) 22:12, 5 May 2014 (EDT)User:Xyle
  15. The most creative of them.TheAtomicFire BluePichu.png 16:44, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
  16. By far the most fun and interesting of them.Xanthus (talk) 05:48, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
  17. 1) It's in Brawl, the best SSB. 2) LAVA!!! 3) YOLO 4) Safety capsules. These are my reasons for voting for this awesome stage. Harro (talk) 02:53, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
  18. Lava LavaMetaMewtwoSoul600px-Yveltal.png' 15:47, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
  19. Grew up with Brinstar, but I'm a lot better at Norfair. Plus lava>acid Kenniky (talk) 21:24, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
  20. I like how the lava rises and then you have to open the "shelter" (whatever it's called). Smash Master 11:59, 17 May 2014 (EDT)


This really should of been a four-way battle with Planet Zebes vs. Brinstar vs. Norfair vs. Pyrosphere, just saiyan SamisFusion (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)

Well we don't allow any Smash 4 aspects in the Smash Arena until the game is released. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:41, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
Technically that's up to Toomai. (as we've had Megaman vs. WFT vs. Villager) Laikue (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
That was an exceptional case. Pyrosphere probably wouldn't apply anyway, as there's currently no evidence it has rising lava like the other combatants (the main draw of this fight). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Honcho 23:44, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
I know, I was just pointing it out. I knew it was a special occasion. Laikue (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Oh dear. Someone seems to have screwed up the Brinstar section. Nymbare and his talk 10:08, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Fixed. Red (talk) Special:Contributions/Red 10:09, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Round 228: Stone vs. Thunder[edit]

Thunder Melee.jpg

23.5 to 28
Thunder Melee.jpg
These two down special moves have been derided as "cheap" by the n00bz ever since their introduction. Which spammed strike hits harder?

Votes for Stone[edit]

  1. Stone is invincibility.Besides, kirby can turn into different things! --DarkVexon (talk) 14:52, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. Simply because of all the forms it can take. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 12:11, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. As a Kirby mainer, I know how to use Stone effectively. It's very effective when used sparringly, as it will then often catch a chasing opponent off guard and finish them off before they can react. It's also pretty good for edgeguarding in a similar manner. JUST DON'T BE A STONER, KEI? FirstaLasto 12:18, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Am I just paranoid, or am I stoned? ChuckNorris24.png 12:23, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. Upward Smash, Perfect Foil - as long as you don't meet the blast line first. ScoreCounter 13:21, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. Thunder is the more effective attack, but I like that Kirby has different forms upon using this move. blue ninjakoopa 13:58, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. A Kirby main and stone has more variety. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 16:27, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. I prefer this move because I use stone quite often in the Kirby games. Also, it's a very useful, and I (get) kill(ed by)people all the time with this! − 17:43, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  9. Thunder, the move that everyone used to rape my childhood. Yeah I hate thunder for that reason. Also Kirby is my favorite fictional character. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 20:13, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  10. Earthquake glitch Harro (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  11. Berrenta (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  12. 23:09, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  13. God, I just love using this move. Also, it transforms into a bunch a stuff!TheAtomicFire BluePichu.png 11:07, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  14. 18:20, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  15. Because I like it better. 14:03, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
  16. I HATE THUNDER! -- 09:49, 22 May 2014 (EDT)
  17. Ownage? More like Stownage! --Newraptor (talk) 11:36, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
  18. this always works50.32.207.142 10:56, 26 May 2014 (EDT)
  19. I mostly just like the glitch, but hey Torden
  20. Stone is cool and is useful for events. Igor The Mii (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2014 (EDT)
  21. I always use Stone in the Arena and True Arena because I'm bad at dodging. I think that has something to do with this. -- 20:30, 30 May 2014 (EDT)
  22. I use it more. 18:16, 1 June 2014 (EDT)
  23. Really, what hasn't been said about this already? MeatBall104; With dirty rice on the side! 22:58, 1 June 2014 (EDT)


  1. I'm gonna have to go to this one, cause some guy called Spammy beat the crap out of me with it. I got so mad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 09:37, May 18, 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Thunder[edit]

  1. THUNDERSPIKING!!!!!! Also, don't think Thunder is useless in Pokemon just because its inaccurate and Thunderbolt is the completely better option, its a underrated move and you need the extra power in Ubers and this thing is 100% accurate when rain comes in. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Windows 12:07, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:11, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. Stone is meh in both Kirby and Smash, while Thunder is decent in both Pokemon and Smash. 14:13, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Just cause I use pikachuQwerty (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. Seems more useful to me. 18:20, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. SHAZAM! SeanWheeler (talk) 18:56, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. It's really hard to actually hit a competent player with Stone, not to mention the horrible ending lag and high vulnerability from grabs. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:12, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. Both moves are situational. This one can at least get you cool KOs off the ceiling once in a while and combos nicely from an up smash or up tilt. There are no "Stone setups" for Kirby. --Timson622222 (talk) 19:57, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  9. This move is more satisfying to KO with for me. --Ness FTW! (talk) 20:04, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  10. I love pokemon and pikachu!THIS is Melodia.PIKAAAAACHU!!!!MetaMewtwoSoul600px-Yveltal.png' 20:12, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  11. Because of what Dots said. He convinced me. DoctorPain99 21:07, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  12. Thunderspiking is the bane of my existence in Brawl...-. ConnyAirconny Snake Sig.png 21:46, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  13. Helps make Kyogre the beast he is. Laikue (talk) 23:45, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
  14. Thunder is an extremely useful move in all levels of play (just use when it should be used, i.e. hitting opponents high above). Stone on the other hand, is near useless against competent players without the aid of lag; it's just too slow and telegraphed, leaves you way too vulnerable on whiff, and has no sort of setups or mixups whatsoever. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 11:40, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  15. Per Dots. Smash Master 13:39, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  16. Though I loved spamming Stone when I was forced to play Smash 64 for a year, this one is much more powerful and spammy. VICIOUS VIRIDIAN!!!!!! (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  17. you can zap things (User:Xyle:) 20:43 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  18. I'm pretty good with Pikachu, and Thunder always annoys and defeats my opponents quite elegantly (for lack of a better adverb). Stone is a go-to attack while Thunder is a come-to attack, making it less expected and more successful. Signed by Mr. Mewtwo. 23:24, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
  19. PIKA! *FOOM* PIKA! *FOOM* PIKA! *FOOM* And that's how you die. Nymbare and his talk 16:13, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
  20. Pikachu is the best. Red (talk) Red 20:22, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
  21. I prefer a move that summons lightning from thin air, looks cool, and has actual practical usage over a move that involves becoming a stupid-looking, useless, immobile rock. --EndGenuity (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
  22. You could possibly attack much more enemies this way rather than just smashing down on one lone Mario. GoldCoreKid (talk) 6:22, 20 May 2014 (EDT)
  23. A thunderbolt versus a useless rock. Oh, gee, I'm undecided.Funfroggies (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2014 (EDT)
  24. Rock is limited, I can blast off someone when Rock wears off. Also it's ideal for combos. Superstarxalien169's smashbox. (talk) 13:22, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
  25. Kirby can be grabbed when he is in his stone form. 20:32, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
  26. Thunder is actually a competent finishing move if the foe is helpless! Also, electricity is always cooler than a stone.SoloMael (talk) 15:39, 30 May 2014 (EDT)
  27. Pikachu is my main and thunder is an awesome move.Xanthus (talk) 05:07, 1 June 2014 (EDT)


  1. I'm Limulla and I vote for thunder because sky attacks are awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limulla (talkcontribs) 12:05, May 20, 2014 (EDT)
  2. thunder is cool 'n stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 11:12, May 26, 2014 (EDT)


Ummm theres an unsigned comment under "Stone" votes. I suck at fixing unsigned comments. --Newraptor (talk) 14:05, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Round 229: Kirby vs. Meta Knight vs. King Dedede[edit]

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Meta Knight SSBB.jpg
King Dedede SSBB.jpg
Kirby SSBB.jpg

34 to 16 to 9.5
This round pits the three most important fat guys from the Dreamstar universe in a three-way fight. It's a valiant sword vs. a selfish hammer vs. a childish everything!

Votes for Kirby[edit]

  1. Copy abilities = diversity. And besides, he's cute! Berrenta (talk) 23:18, 6 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. My personal favorite character in fiction... EVER. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 23:19, 6 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The User 01:21, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  4. Kirby is the greatest character in all of Nintendo. FirstaLasto 01:30, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  5. I love this guy. I may like king dedede and meta night, but this guy is awesome. Seriously, who doesn't like the fact that he can copy people's abilities?TheAtomicFire BluePichu.png 08:04, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  6. Only Kirby character on my OTL ballot - and for good reason. ScoreCounter 08:58, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  7. The OG. ToxicTyran (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  8. Kirby really sucks!I like ninja,beam,yo-yo,and bell.MetaMewtwoSoul600px-Yveltal.png' 16:32, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  9. Adorable. 21:42, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  10. Dedede is too slow, Meta Knight is too Cheap, Kirby is juuuuuust right... Also, "HAIAIAI, HAIAIAI, HAIAIAI, HAIAIAI, HAIAIAI" Laikue (talk) 22:08, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  11. At least I don't lose to Dededes or MKs with this. Requiem of Ice (talk) 04:02, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
  12. kirby beats both those peoples in the game. User:Xyle 6:43 8 June 2014 (EDT)
  13. While I prefer villains over heroes, Kirby's Inhale is a unique attack that no other character seen in any Super Smash Bros. game has. Since Doopliss probably will not be in Super Smash Bros. 4, this reason lets Kirby take the cake. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
  14. Poyo! 12:14, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
  15. KIRBY! KIRBY! KIRBY! THAT'S A NAME YOU SHOULD KNOW! ChuckNorris24.png 12:19, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
  16. 1) to make up for losing the battle with thunder. 2) Kirby and the amazing mirror 3) copy Harro (talk) 05:09, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
  17. Because he's adorable and has a great battle style and adorable and brave and adorable and optimistic and adorable. Also adorable. -- 18:07, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
  18. A Smash Bros. staple! SeanWheeler (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
  19. Between his cries of "HIII!", his copy ability, and his awesome moveset, I can't help but love Kirby. Takava (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
  20. Because he's Kirby! He's my favorite character tied with another. Kirby FTW! Smash Master 16:34, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
  21. Just read the battle description. 21:23, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
  22. My secondary in every Super Smash Bros. installment, and my second-favorite video game character of all time. blue ninjakoopa 01:13, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
  23. meta knight's a broken piece of shit, fuck him (also fuck D3's chain throws) CLI (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
  24. Kirby's manages to be adorable and awesome at the same time! Xanthus (talk) 05:48, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
  25. Kirby is a cute lil' marshmallow. His attacks are excellent. K I R B Y! UltimateBrawl123 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
  26. Kirby is awesome. Nuff said. Superstarxalien169's smashbox. (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
  27. I was never a real fan of Meta Knight, and King Dedede is just kind of a halfway decent character. Kirby is an amazing person. Baconlover9090 (talk) 10:14, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
  28. Pink marshmallow. 16:20, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
  29. copy abilities cute fluff ballMariooshawott (talk) 07:34, 16 June 2014 (EDT)
  30. My first ever Smash main. He's still my main in 64. N64icon.jpgintendrone42 13:53, 19 June 2014 (EDT)
  31. Because. 19:20, 20 June 2014 (EDT)
  32. The Kirby series is home to some great fighters. Meta Knight is an amazing fighter. King Dedede is an amazing fighter. However, Kirby easily takes the cake (figuretively, and literally)! He is the most unique out of the trio, he is a member of the Original 12, and he is just plain awesome! Lumastar (talk) 03:56, 21 June 2014 (EDT)Lumastar (talk 0:57, June 21, 2014 (EDT)
  33. Kirby (as a playable character) can have multiple movesets in a single game, while the others can't. Red (talk) Red 20:43, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. If I limulla,liked any of these three the most,it would be Kirby. He's alsmost as good to the awesome Pac-Man. I bet if the two could team up, they would totally defeat King Dedede,Meta Knight and Betrayus. Snake: Kirby is a pink Marshmallow! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limulla (talkcontribs) 12:06, 9 June 2014‎ (EDT)
  2. He's so cute!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by TailsCopter (talkcontribs) 08:34, June 19, 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Meta Knight[edit]

  1. Kirby and Dedede suck. Chilex (talk) 01:32, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. Haters gonna hate. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 03:06, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. I have no problem with the others. But MK is the only one who actually talks and that's cool enough. MeatBall104; The Boss of the bosses! 16:33, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  4. He's my favorite character in the Kirby series as a whole. --Timson622222 (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
  5. I like both Kirby and Meta Knight, but MK is so good he's broken. Also, he has amazing recovery.Da Random Bro (talk) 00:49, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
  6. Well, who's at da top of teh tier list? That's right, Meta Knight!AllTheCoolBoys (talk) 09:28, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
  7. 04:29, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
  8. Meta Knight can juggle both kirby and dedede also he looks cooler. (User:1deeman2) (talk) 11:17 June 2014 (EDT)
  9. He's got a cape (which he can teleport with) and an awesome golden sword, which is a badass combination in my book.
  10. He has a sword and cool mask also he is far faster than the other twoZogvquit (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
  11. All the hating on MK... this is about him in general, and he's a ninja. With a sword. Chicks dig swords.Qwerty the lord Nessytrewq.jpg 22:52, 14 June 2014 (EDT)
  12. Why does everyone hate Meta Knight? Best Kirby character EVER IMO. 10:01, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
  13. Metaknight is a very cool character and is the best kirby series representative in the smash universeMichaelhpt137 (talk) 13:04, 20 June 2014 (EDT)
  14. So amazing they told him he couldn't come back. Torden 15:00, 20 June 2014 (EDT)
  15. I've played with all these characters and Kirby and dedede always lose to meta knight he just kills-a person
  16. Victory is his destiny.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 00:34, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Votes for King Dedede[edit]

  1. 05:06, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. "Ready to get hammered?" JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 08:38, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. He has that bair, lives forever, and the best facial expressions. Also, fuck Shuttle Loop. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 08:53, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  4. The sound of his uair and dair is the most satisfying sound in Brawl. Laniv (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2014 (EDT)
  5. He has a big hammer. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:03, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
  6. PENGUIN MAN! 15:19, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
  7. He's just so fun and unique. And that forward smash is beautiful. Nymbare and his talk 18:45, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
  8. 02:17, 22 June 2014 (EDT)
  9. he's a freakin pengiun with a hammer that he uses to clobber everyone with. who can't choose him? :\ Taco Angel (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. Stop! Hammer Time!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 08:03, June 7, 2014 (CDT)


Kirby is just owning this Smash Arena. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 08:54, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

We cannot move on to the next fight unless the Wiki is Status Green! Work hard! UltimateBrawl123 (talk) 07:58, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Not really true; I just leave fights open for two or three weeks on higher statuses to marginalize pileups. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Polychromatic 11:52, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
If it's red, does that mean we don't move on to another fight until the status is lowered? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 13:06, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
It's not a set-in-stone thing, I just try to gauge whether we can currently afford the temporary increase of unproductive edits. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Aurum 13:11, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Round 230: Key vs. Stock Ball vs. Trophy Stand[edit]

Brawl Key.jpg
Trophy Stand

6 to 8 to 31.5
These three items only appear in The Subspace Emissary, so naturally they're fit for a fight.

Votes for Key[edit]

  1. You need them to progress through the game. What a bad match. :P Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Blue 11:58, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. 03:20, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. Never has a key been so gorgeous. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatum 10:48, 6 July 2014 (EDT)
  4. 00:00, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
  5. The key can actually recover, and has viable KO moves. Blue Ninjakoopa 01:27, 25 July 2014 (EDT)


  1. Just love the design —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:48, July 7, 2014 (CDT)
  2. perhaps the door to sucsess is locked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 07:56, July 8, 2014 (CDT)

Votes for Stock Ball[edit]

  1. 4 stock? Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:14, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. Trophy Stands were a neat concept, but it was a very annoying item, since it takes forever to throw and it deals minor damage, leaving you very vulnerable if you inadvertently pick one up in the middle of battle. Stock Balls on the other hand are always useful. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 12:38, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. Keys are annoying and unnecessary, trophy stands are clunky and only serve to acquire an item that has no affect on gameplay. Stock balls make you far more likely to win. Nymbare and his talk 17:54, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  4. Trophy stands are very annoying and it is nearly impossible to get a boss in one of them. 18:38, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  5. I can't count how many times I've missed with the Trophy Stand, and while the keys are a necessary gameplay element and a nice reference to Kirby, the Stock ball is very useful, especially when you're down to your last life, though it can be counted as useful at any time. 10:35, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
  6. It is so relieving when you are down to just oe stock and then you find another one also keys are dropped if you get smashed or use another attack and you have to go back to their spawn point and trophy stands are too slowZogvquit (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2014(EDT)
  7. 4 STOCK 4 STOCK AND THE CROWD CHEERING FOR A 4 STOCK THIS COULD BE IT THIS IS IT OOHHHHH -- Mango vs. Leffen, game 5, Apex 2014. Chilex (talk) 01:37, 13 July 2014 (EDT)


  1. All three are neat items, but if I were to choose, I'd have to pick this, because it's always better to have at least one more stock to carry you in tough situations. Berrenta (talk) 13:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. its so useful in the adventure these are a savior to myself and everyone I know- a person —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 07:55, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Trophy Stand[edit]

  1. Collecting all the enemy trophies with these was one of the most challenging parts of the SSE. FirstaLasto 12:11, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. Its awesome turning Tabuu into a trophy. Stock Ball is also cool. The Key is boring. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 12:19, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. The Trophy Stand yields benefits outside of the S. S. E., especially Tabuu's trophy. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  4. Because I like to collect trophies and it helps to get all of them.Tepig (talk) 12:50, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  5. It's fun trying to collect enemies and bosses as trophies. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 13:04, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  6. Pointless Meaningless Vote. Laikue (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  7. 01:10, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  8. This match sucks. Anyways, it's really fun and addicting to go trophy hunting in the SSE, so.Qwerty the lord Nessytrewq.jpg 12:28, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  9. I love hunting for trophies.This match is worse then a smoke mote.Really!MetaMewtwoSoul600px-Yveltal.png' 16:56, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  10. I like pwnishing Tabuu with this, and besides, who can say no to a gold plate with the smash logo on it?Kage (talk) 20:56, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  11. It's a unique item. Turning your enemies into collectible trophies is so satisfying. Stock Balls are great and all, and help out in gameplay more than the trophy stand, but 1-ups are a pretty common concept. You can collect those in any game. --Timson622222 (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  12. I just can't explain the satisfaction that comes from throwing a projectile at your enemies. Plus, it grants you an instant trophy! MeatBall104; Sunburnt in Fiji! 23:09, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  13. They're so shiny!! And besides, when I trap an enemy in one position on a golden plate for the rest of eternity, I get such happy feeling inside! -- 13:57, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
  14. Gives you trophies. i collect trophies. :D i like! Harro (talk) 08:03, 2 July 2014 (EDT)
  15. I love throwing this at the enemies and then getting a free trophy. Sure, The stock ball gets you lives, but this is more fun! Also, who ACTUALLY really likes the key better?TheAtomicFire BluePichu.png 11:33, 2 July 2014 (EDT)
  16. Completists will need all the Trophy Stands they can get. RickTommy 01:27, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
  17. Extremely satisfying to capture a boss with one of these. Shanderu MiniGhost.png 18:07, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
  18. This is the only one that actually affects things outside of the SSE. Awesomelink234 (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
  19. Because I like to throw stuff and it have effects. 15:03, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
  20. it is fun collecting enemies as trophies by throwing trophy stands at them. Blueyoshi (talk) 17:39, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
  21. The feeling I get when I see a trophy stand is indescribable. It is the best feeling ever. ChuckNorris24.png 14:27, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
  22. Trophieeeeeees. Takava (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
  23. The Trophy Stand deserves the trophy. Flicky1991 (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
  24. Collecting all of the trophies is fun. Red (talk) Red 15:16, 20 July 2014 (EDT)
  25. It can insta-kill enemies and I like collecting trophies. N6TJA (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2014 (EDT)
  26. Awesome item! I just wish that it would appear more. Lumastar (talk) Lumastar Green Luma.jpg
  27. TROOOPHY GO!!! Gotcha! An enemy was caught! :3. lkblukat 18:15, 22 July 2014 (EDT) lkbluekat
  28. Collect-a-thons galore. For all the completionists out there! Kenniky (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
  29. Gotta have em' trophies. Ness FTW! (talk) 00:57, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
  30. It's fun to collect trophys of enemys so I can read the description of the trophy.Vegeta188 (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2014 (EDT)


  1. Punishing Tabuu for what he's done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 16:35, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
  2. trophies are my favorite part of smash bros. User:Xyle 11.14,June 29 2014 (EDT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyle (talkcontribs) 12:15, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
  3. I can collect new trophies of other characters.limulla —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limulla (talkcontribs) 11:45, 9 July 2014 (EDT)


So why does everyone hate this match? Do you want another match featuring swordsmen? --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:39, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

I myself don't like this match. I don't know about everyone else. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Gordon Freeman 13:42, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

I think we all like the character or assist trophy or just plain trophy matches-me —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 05:54, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

I think this match is great! It's something new, but it still makes sense. More like this, please! FirstaLasto 12:02, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
I agree. I like its originality. ChuckNorris24.png 14:27, 9 July 2014 (EDT)