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Round 166: Link vs. Samus[edit]

Link SSBB.jpg
Winner!!
Link
Link SSBB.jpg

20 to 11
Samus SSBB.jpg
The two arsenal-toting adventurers of legend are back. While one fights at close range and the other prefers distances, they aren't exactly slouches in the other's department, and they both have the tools to cleave through enemy forces like paper. How will this tiebreaker end?

Votes for Link[edit]

  1. The green elf never loses against his opponents!!! Dots The Engineer Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. 23:59, 30 November 2012 (EST)
  2. Can actually KILL! 204.191.140.194 00:20, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  3. He has a bow and arrow and a sword! The Awesome 09:00, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  4. Closely linked to my main, but not quite the samus him. Okay, that was extremely forced. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 09:49, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  5. Left-hander, baby!!!!!!!! Nintendosega75 (talk) 12:17, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  6. He's an archer. 108.162.156.108 12:27, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  7. I'm an open Zelda fan, what else would I vote for!The Cheese The Cheese.png 13:33, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  8. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 13:39, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  9. I'm not much of a Zelda fan, but I shall vote Link. I just like his good attack power folks. Scoring KO's as Samus (and Sonic for that matter), let alone win the match, can and will be such a pain. 67.166.229.4 14:57, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  10. There are more Links than Samuses. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 15:47, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  11. He can beat your a** legally! Terrible is Winter 17:03, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  12. Link is op with those bombs. :P LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 17:08, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  13. Both are stupid.--68.43.192.71 17:12, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  14. LoZ > Metroid Naked Snake 200px-Naked Snake.jpg 01:53, 2 December 2012 (EST)
  15. Definitely prefer both Link and Legend of Zelda to Samus and Metroid. 110.174.90.69 20:21, 2 December 2012 (EST)
  16. Have I played Zelda? Every game since Twilight Princess. Have I played Metroid? Not even once.174.20.251.84 21:15, 2 December 2012 (EST)
  17. IMO, he has better moves. Red (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2012 (EST)
  18. I bet Link could save the Twinkies. ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 20:35, 5 December 2012 (EST)
  19. Link really has a good move set, even if he is a low tier. --Airconny (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2012 (EST)

Half-votes[edit]

  1. link rules he could easliy kick samus power suit but —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.21.181 (talkcontribs) 13:10, 3 December 2012 (EST)
  2. I just don't like girls.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.185.84.187 (talkcontribs) 21:31, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Votes for Samus[edit]

  1. She has the greatest taunts in the game. Seriously. You jump multiple tiers with it. And you get items. Fugudev 00:00, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Samus' arsenal is more impressive, plus I'm more familiar with her games. Super Smash Bros.-wise, while Link is better at killing, Samus is a little more versatile and more of her attacks are executed faster. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 02:09, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  3. LAZORZ!!!!! BunnyHoodYoshi9001 Talk to me 08:00, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  4. I like Samus much, much better than Link. Of course, if this was Toon Link vs. Samus, that would be another story. Air Conditioner Image for Accoolx's signature. Helter skelter! 08:26, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  5. Laser beams vs. one of the lamest characters in the whole series? Please. 96.232.94.87 09:55, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  6. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 11:39, 1 December 2012 (EST)
  7. Who said this had to be brawl Samus? After all, that's just a picture. While both Link and Samus are viable in Melee (being lenient on the definition of viable), Samus is a much better characters having an infinitely better recovery and zoning abilities. Those missiles are so very annoying. She is really hard to edgeguard; even Marth has to work for those gimps. Link dies after 1 down tilt. But if you kiddies must insist on talking about brawl, Samus still wins. She has a high tier counterpart with items to start the match as well as a long glide toss to complement them. The low tier Samus is still higher than Link on the tier list for many of the same reasons that Melee Samus outplaces Melee Link.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 18:40, 2 December 2012 (EST)
  8. 142.244.165.34 13:02, 3 December 2012 (EST)
  9. I don't actually care but Link's 2nd half-vote made me choose Samus.68.115.61.130 12:31, 5 December 2012 (EST)
  10. Per Brian. Can do a superwavedash in Melee :> Bandit 20:44, 5 December 2012 (EST)
  11. She wears a power suite he wears tights. Brawls of fury (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2012 (EST)

Comments[edit]

My suggestion actually made it! The Awesome 09:45, 1 December 2012 (EST)

Did my FIRST VOTE! <(**<) <(**)> (>**)> (<- Kirby dancing) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.185.84.187 (talkcontribs) 20:58, 6 December 2012 (EST)

If you're going to make a habit of it, type ~~~~ at the end of every vote. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 16:20, 6 December 2012 (EST)

Round 167: Midair Stadium vs. Pokémon Stadium[edit]

Midair Stadium.jpg
Winner!!
Midair Stadium
Midair Stadium.jpg

15.5 to 14
Pokemonstadium.jpg
Two battle arenas with similar setups and massive crowds. Which stadium outpopularizes the other?

Votes for Midair Stadium[edit]

  1. Looks cooler imo. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 23:41, 7 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Would have actually really liked to see this as a regular stage, I enjoyed fighting on it. 110.174.90.69 05:43, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  3. Looks way cooler and it's new. The Awesome 08:06, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  4. It looks better. 108.162.156.108 08:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  5. This one is clearly suspended in the air, how is that not cool? Airconny (talk) 09:14, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  6. I wonder how they get the crowd up here... Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 12:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  7. Should have been a stage. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 17:14, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  8. I agree with Blue Ninjakoopa. Mesuxelf 10:07, 9 December 2012 (EST)
  9. Sorry, Pokemon. As much as I fanboy you, this place looks so much more awesome.174.20.239.177 11:40, 9 December 2012 (EST)
  10. Seven words. I. Am. Not. Allowed. To. Do. Pokemon. epicRedHot (talk) 11:33, 10 December 2012 (EST)
  11. No transformation of the stage.The Cheese The Cheese.png 15:14, 10 December 2012 (EST)
  12. This was the first thing I ever saw in Brawl. It looked amazing at the time. Wiiurocks (talk) 12:34, 11 December 2012 (EST)
  13. For the epic battle between Mario and Kirby. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 17:23, 11 December 2012 (EST)
  14. It's in mid-air. The Cool 08:32, 12 December 2012 (EST)
  15. No platforms popping up to get in the way.68.115.61.130 12:32, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Half-votes[edit]

  1. this stage is awesome whould have enjoyed to do it as a regular stage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.65.148 (talkcontribs) 15:29, December 10, 2012 (EST)

Votes for Pokémon Stadium[edit]

  1. For nostalgia sakes. 204.191.140.194 00:38, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  2. ^ Naked Snake 200px-Naked Snake.jpg 00:47, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  3. Its Pokémon, the best video game franchise in the universe, nuff said. Dots The Engineer Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. 09:52, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  4. This is playable normally. 98.113.20.196 10:24, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  5. It's Pokémon! ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 10:47, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  6. This stage is in 2 games. Terrible is Winter 12:06, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  7. Midair stadium is a boring version of Final Destination. Instead of flying through galaxies, we get a poorly rendered crowd. Well, in Pokemon's case it also has a poorly rendered crowded but a dynamic stage. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:09, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  8. It changes its layout often. I'm no stranger to the anime; Pokemon gyms have their own themes. 67.166.229.4 13:19, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  9. So Midair Stadium is in the middle of the air. So what? NOTHING BEATS POKÉMON!!! Air Conditioner Image for Accoolx's signature. ...or is he? 14:47, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  10. All I can say is that this stage brings back memories. Smash Master 15:16, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  11. Pokemon ALL THE WAY! BunnyHoodYoshi9001 Talk to me 16:57, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  12. ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 22:05, 8 December 2012 (EST)
  13. --TommyNook (talk) 11:34, 9 December 2012 (EST)
  14. In the era of Ken, this stage was considered the most balanced stage in melee. Since then, that title has been given to battlefield, but this stage is still one of my favorite counterpicks when Yoshi's Story or FD is banned. I'm a little uncertain when I counterpick this stage against Space animals, but I think Marth goes even against them on this field. There is enough room in the middle to chain throw them and the platforms are low enough like Yoshi's Story such that I can trap them with up tilts and up airs. --BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 14:11, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Comments[edit]

You know, Mid-Air stadium is just FD with a different background. Don't think it has to be legal, though another FD like stage to counterpick is always nice.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 14:13, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Actually, Mid-Air Stadium is Pokemon Stadium 2 with the platforms removed and a different environment (in regards to the sky and the land beyond the stadium). Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 21:17, 10 December 2012 (EST)

Round 168: Octorok vs. Like Like vs. ReDead[edit]

Octorok trophy from Super Smash Bros. Melee.
Like Like trophy from Super Smash Bros. Melee.
ReDead trophy from Super Smash Bros. Melee.
Winner!!
Octorok
Octorok trophy from Super Smash Bros. Melee.

16 to 11 to 5
Hyrule's most notorious common monsters are in this fight. which one ends up in the spotlight?

Votes for Octorok[edit]

  1. The least ugly. In fact, they're kind of cute. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 23:56, 14 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Like Likes, more like Hate Hates, and speaking of which, I hate Redeads for giving me nightmares as a kid. 204.191.140.194 02:05, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  3. The cutest one here. The Awesome 08:31, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  4. The Redeads gave me nightmares, the Like Likes look like moldy penises, but the Octoroks are ok to me. Terrible is Winter 08:38, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  5. I'M SO HUNGRY, I COULD EAT AN OCTOROK! BunnyHoodYoshi9001 Talk to me 08:41, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  6. I was expecting that someone would write that post, BunnyHoodYoshi9001. :P Dots The StarCraft Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. 09:14, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  7. I remember power-shielding one of its rocks one time in Adventure mode... 67.166.229.4 11:02, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  8. The best one here. 108.162.156.108 13:34, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  9. Octorok? More like octoROCKS. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 18:37, 18 December 2012 (EST)
  10. Hmmm...a Octopus/Squid/Mutant/Thing? Seems the most awesome one here. MewtwoShadow (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2012 (EST)
  11. Least annoying one on here. Also, what BHY9001 said. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 10:49, 21 December 2012 (EST)
  12. Looks like we made it... ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 13:54, 21 December 2012 (EST)
  13. Very notable! ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 18:38, 21 December 2012 (EST)
  14. This is mine! Two times in a row!ShanicpowerFor usage in Shanicpower's signature. Make it rain! 12:20, 22 December 2012 (EST)
  15. Random pick. BlueRidiculous (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2012 (EST)
  16. I just like it. 32.60.95.61 20:56, 28 December 2012 (EST)

Votes for Like Like[edit]

  1. I I like like to to have have the the first first vote vote.. 173.56.34.138 09:50, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  2. I like Like Likes. Air Conditioner Image for Accoolx's signature. Hello. 14:21, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  3. They did the most damage in the Zelda level of Adventure Mode. Wiiurocks (talk) 12:39, 16 December 2012 (EST)
  4. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!!The Cheese The Cheese.png 14:11, 16 December 2012 (EST)
  5. It looks like a rock. (I like rocks) epicRedHot 10:56, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  6. Because they are so hilariously named.174.20.239.177 14:52, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  7. Not as threatening as they are the easiest to hit and are not unpredictable.71.160.203.88 18:01, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  8. "They are like...like... [DING]. Yeah they're called Like Likes." LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 20:41, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  9. I like, like like likes. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 22:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  10. Seeing as I can't re-use this vote, I'll just vote for Like Likes, because it's a blob. Meh, ReDeads give me an opportunity to play the Sun's Song, and Octoroks look like Deku Scrubs in Skyward Sword, but I'm feelin' the Like Likes today. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 08:37, 21 December 2012 (EST)
  11. I like like Like Likes 67.6.127.165 16:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)

Votes for ReDead[edit]

  1. "Hhrrrrrnnnnnnnn *cutting sounds*" Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 02:22, 15 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Pity Vote. 142.244.160.35 14:15, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  3. Also a pity vote. Bandit 18:05, 17 December 2012 (EST)
  4. Head Humping FTW. --92.42.57.34 04:42, 18 December 2012 (EST)
  5. One of my favorite enemies in Zelda, while I don't care much for Like Likes nor Octoroks. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 02:50, 19 December 2012 (EST)

Comments[edit]

Well I didn't have time to update this on Friday or Saturday, so now it's too late. Staying up another week. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Zesty 09:51, 23 December 2012 (EST)

Why can't you just update it now? ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 16:46, 23 December 2012 (EST)
Because I don't want to have a round that's only five days long and has no weekend voting window. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Emissary 00:19, 29 December 2012 (EST)

Round 169: Frozen vs. Buried[edit]

A frozen Popo, on Delfino Plaza.
Winner!!
Buried
Bury.jpg

9 to 16
Bury.jpg
Earthy and icy impediments clash. Is a cage of cryowater or the grip of ground the favoured status?

Votes for Frozen[edit]

  1. I pick Frozen. Offensively, it's not as impressive, as burying your opponents basically earns you a free KO whereas KOing an opponent with a freeze attack is situational at best (especially if Freezie is turned off; Freezie's utility is more limited than the Pitfall's but at least when it makes contact it can KO). Defensively, well, I'd much rather be Frozen than Buried. Plus, I think it's funny when an opponent (or my own character) is KO'd by a freezing attack (the Freezie to be more precise), especially in Melee. blue ninjakoopa 00:52, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Dots The Mew Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. 00:58, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  3. I like the sound made when an opponent is frozen. 204.191.140.194 01:44, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  4. It's always epic freezing your opponents. 110.174.90.69 07:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  5. Ice is my thing.174.30.218.105 10:51, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  6. Lived in the cold almost all my life, why wouldn't I choose it? Terrible is Winter 12:52, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  7. Don't give this effect the cold shoulder. DarkFox01, ETC. 12:59, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  8. Since I can use both items effectively, I'll vote for the better element. BlueRidiculous (talk) 18:40, 30 December 2012 (EST)
  9. Heck, It's winter so I'll vote for this. ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 15:46, 31 December 2012 (EST)

Votes for Buried[edit]

  1. [1] Bandit 01:01, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  2. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 03:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  3. Revenge! Without warning! JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 09:50, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  4. Make a custom stage which consists only of one row of soft platforms, as far down as they can be. Turn all items off except for the Pitfall, then set items to Very High. 5-minute match, let the fun begin. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 09:59, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  5. Since DK can do this with his Side-B, and DK is my favorite character in all of Smash... 96.239.19.153 11:03, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  6. It's more sticky! The Awesome 11:40, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  7. This effect is actually really useful in Brawl, while the other barely helps. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 12:24, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  8. Pitting this against Frozen is no contest. The fact is, the Frozen effect has no depth. They should just put the Frozen status six feet under. Air Conditioner Image for Accoolx's signature. is still alive 15:17, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  9. More useful. Smash Master 16:57, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  10. Buried lasts way longer. Wiiurocks (talk) 20:48, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  11. It makes it easier to land majorly powerful moves on a buried fighter. Frozen fighters are a pain to send flying. 67.166.229.4 20:54, 29 December 2012 (EST)
  12. Attacked frozen character! No effect! ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 00:23, 30 December 2012 (EST)
  13. The Cheese The Cheese.png Merry Christmas! 14:10, 30 December 2012 (EST)
  14. It's funnier.72.67.128.169 22:17, 30 December 2012 (EST)
  15. It's more fun to see people helpless like this. 108.192.37.126 21:08, 1 January 2013 (EST)
  16. It looks more funnier. 108.162.156.108 21:59, 1 January 2013 (EST)

Comments[edit]

Is it just me or does it seem like not a lot of people voted this round? ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 17:17, 10 January 2013 (EST)

Round 170: Landmaster Fight[edit]

Land.jpg
Falco's Landmaster
Wolf's Final Smash, Landmaster.
Winner!!
Wolf's Landmaster
Wolf's Final Smash, Landmaster.

7 to 6.5 to 15
Do YOU have a Landmaster?

Votes for Fox's Landmaster[edit]

  1. I think cloned Final Smashes are awful, so even though the other two are better overall at killing, the original gets my vote. blue ninjakoopa 23:35, 4 January 2013 (EST)
  2. Fox's introduction in the Subspace Emissary has cemented him as my favorite Star Fox character. Fox FTW!174.30.218.105 11:21, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  3. Pity vote; not to mention that Fox is one of my most-used characters in Brawl. RickTommy 03:12, 7 January 2013 (EST)
  4. I'm just picking at random. 142.244.206.214 11:55, 7 January 2013 (EST)
  5. I honestly don't care but I find it most effective when I fly to the top of the screen with someone on top and automatically star K.O. them, and using this method it doesn't matter which Landmaster you're using so its therefore a matter of favorite over firepower.68.115.61.130 12:58, 7 January 2013 (EST)BK
  6. Out of the three Star Fox characters, Fox is my favourite so I prefer his Landmaster. 203.52.200.130 03:13, 9 January 2013 (EST)
  7. --Havoc48 >:D!!! 17:31, 9 January 2013 (EST)

Votes for Falco's Landmaster[edit]

  1. It's the only final smash with a strong chance to eliminate two of your opponent's stocks, and while it's a little weaker than the other two here, it hardly matters when it still kills and has much more capability to lift people past the top. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 23:21, 4 January 2013 (EST)
  2. It's for my current main.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 23:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  3. Better for Star KOing. Takava (talk) 14:38, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  4. Falco has the best phrase in his Final Smash. Although Wolf definitly has the best taunt of the 3 Star Fox characters. Wiiurocks (talk) 15:15, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  5. No it can't be true... I can fly if l wanted to. Like a bird in the sky I believe I can fly. I can fly!! LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 22:20, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  6. Simply best for KOs. BlueRidiculous (talk) 18:10, 7 January 2013 (EST)

Half-votes[edit]

  1. it's just because i like to use falco. User:Smash bros 345 03:46, 5 January 2013

Votes for Wolf's Landmaster[edit]

  1. 204.191.140.194 02:15, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  2. Because Wolf is the Star Fox character I usually play as. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 10:08, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  3. Wolf is my third favorite Brawl character. 173.56.34.123 10:11, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  4. You're good. But I'm better! Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 10:55, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  5. Star Wolf is better and I like the colors. Terrible is 2013 CE 12:53, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  6. Wolf's landmaster beats all others! ShupaRoehTypicalGuy.png 15:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  7. The Cheese The Cheese.png 15:42, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  8. Koitsude asonnde ageru ze! 67.166.229.4 15:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  9. Wolf's looks the coolest. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 16:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  10. Can't let you win this, Star Fox! Air Conditioner Image for Accoolx's signature. is on an insane rampage 16:31, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  11. This is the strongest. Smash Master 21:57, 5 January 2013 (EST)
  12. Despite lasting shorter than the two, this is perhaps the most dangerous of the three landmasters. Its better in almost every aspect... Dots Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. The Musician 00:10, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  13. More power! I just wish it would last longer. BunnyHoodYoshi9001 Talk to me 10:57, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  14. Bandit 11:43, 6 January 2013 (EST)
  15. It looks the coolest. ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 17:17, 10 January 2013 (EST)

Comments[edit]

Holy crap, I can't believe this suggestion made it. :P Dots Ninten's sprite from Mother/EarthBound Zero, formerly used in Dots's signature. The Achiever 00:03, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Smash Master, this is not a place to reference your trivial grudges against other users. I'm not here to provoke you; you have the right your own opinions and emotions, but here is not the place for them.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 02:41, 5 January 2013 (EST)

I would like to point out IP 68 that Fox's flies up much slower and not as high as Falco's and Wolf's, and as such is not really effective at KO via lifting people past the top. Thus it does matter which Landmaster it is if you only go for the KO with them by that method. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 03:38, 9 January 2013 (EST)