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Round 61: Shadow vs. Grey Fox[edit]


22 to 15.5
Two dark-coated not-so-heroes, both the Assist Trophy representing their non-Nintendo series, and both having a bit of a rocky relationship with those series' figureheads. Which is the better of the two?
REMINDER: If you haven't already done so, read the updated rules above.

Votes for Shadow[edit]

  1. All of you better do things correctly this time around. I'm a fan of the Sonic series. Done.--MegaTron1XD:p 18:46, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  2. shadow would either beat him up or shoot him(shadow the hedgehog)Scoobford (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  3. Shadow can stop time meaning Grey Fox would be helpless. 20:42, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  4. CHAOOOOOOS CONTROL!-Ivy73002MS.png 20:53, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  5. Shadow is the most epic character, and I can only imagine how awesome he would be if he is in the next Super smash Bros. (even if they havent announced one yet.)Vincent TranKirby-1.png 00:28, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  6. Shadow. Definitely. No contest. Fuddlebob (talk) 01:09, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  7. I've always had a spot in my heart for this guy. Mr. Anon (talk) 01:40, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  8. dont care much for the sonic clone but i care even less for the metal gear series and all its charactersGig (talk) 03:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  9. He is just cooler--Jespoke (talk) 08:30, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  10. I would prefer Shadow for SSB4 over Grey Fox. --HavocReaper'48 10:15, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  11. SHADOW IS AWESOME! Plus cheese.Brawliac (talk) 11:09, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  12. Shadow can move as fast as Sonic and control time. Bye, Gray Fox. :) 12:59, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  13. You're asking me to choose between two awesome characters from non-Nintendo games. Hmmm... I've always liked the Sonic series, and Shadow's one of my favorites. My vote goes to the hedgehog. Reflex (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  14. I didn't even know what series Grey Fox was from until I looked it up a few minutes ago. Shadow, who I know alot more about, wins my vote. 02:46, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  15. I'll take Shadow any day. He can alter the passage of time and is purely badass. Valsion 21:56, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  16. In my opinion, Shadow is better. Can't think of anything else to say. -- Dee is too lazy to make a fancy User Signature. 15:28, 23 November 2010 (EST)
  17. How can anyone not like shadow? He's great!Sora Roxas (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2010 (EST)
  18. Shadow is just cool! Who the heck is Grey Fox? He isn't even a fox. 20:39, 23 November 2010 (EST)
  19. Half-votes? Nice. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 21:50, 24 November 2010 (EST)
  20. First of all, Shadow's Chaos Control can do more than control time. Second of all, WHO IS GREY FOX?!?!Brawlingbrian (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2010 (EST)


  1. Shadow because well he's AWESOME —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBlue321 (talkcontribs) 12:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  2. Shadow is way better than that wierd cyclops with a sword —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:33, 21 November 2010 (EST)
  3. Grey Fox is slow.Shadow maybe win in running race —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sky hero dragon (talkcontribs) 09:24, 23 November 2010 (EST)
  4. Shadow—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:18, November 24, 2010

Votes for Grey Fox[edit]

  1. Although I like Shadow, I hate his assist. It does nothing! Grey Fox is much better. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 18:49, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  2. I don't like Shadow in a way Snake dosen't like Sonic. He's too "cool", know what I mean? Also, Grey Fox has big sword.T.testLP (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  3. I just like the blade. I'm very sorry, I'm not a fan of either their series, and I like swords. Dr. PikaLinkSmash (talk) 08:46, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  4. Shadow is just a Timer that is summoned by an Assist Trophy. Gray Fox does actual damage. 09:13, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  5. Grey Fox actually helps you kill your opponents while all Shadow does is slows them down so you could get more invincibility frames by air dodging and countering. Doc King (talk) 09:53, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  6. Grey fox on MGS is so Mysterious and he is a ninjaPikachu8090 (talk) 11:28, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  7. Grey fox is better and also his sword is so powerful that can even cut the esmeralds Ryder 20:14, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  8. Aah, I know Shadow is more popular than Grey Fox, but let's face it, Shadow will NEVER defeat him in a real battle. --RevolverOcelotFTW (talk) 04:50, 21 November 2010 (EST)
  9. Well, I don't really know both of the series that well, but I am gonna go with Dr.PikaLinkSmash's idea and pick this guy based on his sword. I like swords too. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 21:36, 21 November 2010 (EST)
  10. I agree with the guys above, Grey Fox would kick Shadow's .. well yeah. Besides Shadow does virtually nothing but act as if you used a Timer, what's the point? --Landfish7 21:40, 21 November 2010 (EST)
  11. I do find Shadow to be a more useful assist trophy than Gray Fox. However, like many other older Sonic fans, I do not like Shadow, and I like Gray Fox as a character much more. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 22:43, 21 November 2010 (EST)
  12. As shown by RevolverOcelotFTW, he rules over shadow, face it, shadow fly*cough* runs really fast, and he attacks with what, his fist V.S. a blade? 00:26, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  13. Grey Fox is much better then a clone hedgehog 09:36, 27 November 2010 (EST)


  1. grey fox cools me make me liking him 100% —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirby lover (talkcontribs) 22:26, 19 November 2010 (EST)
  2. Grey Fox will destroy Shadow before he even move! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 05:30, 20 November 2010 (EST)
  3. Shadow or grey fox? shadow stands there and says chaos control, while grey fox does damage. 13:15, 24 November 2010 (EST)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mesuxelf (talkcontribs) 10:15, November 24, 2010
  4. Shadow just says "chaos control", nothing more. And he is just an emo kid :( -—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 18:11, 25 November 2010 (EST)
  5. Grey Fox looks awesome, is mysterious, and actually assists!!!!--JeKartaN1 (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2010 (EST)


This is an odd one. I don't really know anything about these two but I'll vote anyway.T.testLP (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2010 (EST)

It's really sad how people vote for someone or something just because of there popularity. It makes the battles less interesting. Doc King (talk) 11:04, 20 November 2010 (EST)
To each his own.-Ivy73002MS.png 11:15, 20 November 2010 (EST)
Well, I think that people just vote for the person that they think will win based on other people's votes. You know, going along with the crowd. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2010 (EST)
At the same time, they vote the one they recognize, not many people know about Grey Fox unfortunately. Also only one person said why Shadow would be better in combat whereas everyone else said they liked Shadow better :P.--Landfish7 21:40, 21 November 2010 (EST)
The Smash Arena is more of a popularity contest, and is not actually related to who would win in an actual fight between the two characters. So only one person saying how Shadow would beat Gray Fox in battle doesn't really matter, and people are free to vote for whichever character for whichever reasons. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 22:43, 21 November 2010 (EST)

LOL.. *ehem* BOOGIE BOOGIE EMO HEDGEHOG!![1]--Landfish7 21:51, 21 November 2010 (EST)

Why is the shading of the voting area that color? It's hard to read the votes. Mr. Anon (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Would it be easier if the text were white, as if the background colour were black? (The background colour here, #3f3f3f, is exactly on the border of what I would consider the white text cutoff.) Toomai Glittershine Data Node 17:57, 23 November 2010 (EST)
OK, let's give it a try. Mr. Anon (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2010 (EST)
Yeah, it looks much better now. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Does Mesuxelf's vote count as an unsigned one? He obviously tried to sign, but used the wrong number of ~'s. Mr. Anon (talk) 15:34, 24 November 2010 (EST)

It should. Over 2 hrs to correct it. Sigs have to have a clear link to userpage/talk page.--MegaTron1XD:p 17:03, 24 November 2010 (EST)
It's impossible to judge whether it was accidental, and I do not want to set a precedent for giving exceptions. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 17:14, 24 November 2010 (EST)

@Brawlingbrian, what exactly do you mean when you say that Chaos Control does more than control time? Would you care to elaborate? Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 12:06, 26 November 2010 (EST)

It is able teleport to any place in the universe and can be used in special moves Shadow has, examples being Chaos Sphere and Chaos Blast.--MegaTron1XD:p 12:09, 26 November 2010 (EST)
Can't it also be used to travel in time? Mr. Anon (talk) 12:25, 26 November 2010 (EST)
The meaning of controlling time. Yes.--MegaTron1XD:p 12:28, 26 November 2010 (EST)

Chaos control can also do things like warp space and attack. Chaos Control is responsible for many of Shadow's stronger attacks. Brawlingbrian talk 12:57, 26 November 2010 (EST)

Round 62: Mario vs. Dr. Mario[edit]

Mario SSBM.jpg

18 to 18
Dr. Mario SSBM.jpg
While it's unclear why the famous plumber has a medical alter-ego (or even if he's certified), one thing's for sure: the Doctor knows what he's doing as much as Mario's regular state knows how to rough up Bowser. Which one of the two is the greater one?

Votes for Mario[edit]

  1. There's a reason why Mario is able to beat Bowser hundreds of times, while Dr. Mario only works as a doctor.Mario is obviously better. Brawlingbrian talk 12:54, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  2. Think about this for a second: Mario has been in every smash game, yet Nintendo took out Dr. Mario from Melee to Brawl. Think about what that means about how much his own company cares about him. Mr. Anon (talk) 13:39, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  3. I haven't played Melee so can't really say but Mario I think would be better. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 14:04, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  4. I personally prefer Mario then is clone. Ryder (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  5. Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctors costume so the original is better. 21:09, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  6. I never really liked any of the clones in Melee. But the ones that returned in brawl were at least sort of reworked, which was enough for me. And I'm sure the ones left out would have gotten reworked as well. Except for Dr. Mario. I really just can't see him progressing as a fighter at all, even if he were to return. The thing about the other clones is that they have the potential to gain new moves, and generally differentiate themselves from their clone counterparts. Dr. Mario was just a mere costume change of Mario with some minor move edits, which just isn't enough for me. That's really all he will ever be. And on a side note, I was better with Mario is Melee, hehe.Mowrt620 (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2010 (EST)Mowrt620
  7. Mario is way better than Dr. MarioPikachu8090 (talk) 11:20, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  8. MARIO IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brawliac (talk) 12:14, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  9. Whenever I play Melee, Dr. Mario is the most annoying character to me, and Mario isn't too annoying in Brawl. My vote goes to Brawl Mario Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 12:17, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  10. I choose Mario because he is the original one. 15:49, 29 November 2010 (EST)
  11. Oh, hey Brian! I'm Eric X. Anyway, Mario can pwn Dr.Mario because Mario has better moves, and he pwns Bowser, and Dr.Mario works as a doctor, as Brawlingbrian said.PKFire talk 3:58, 29 November 2010 (EST)
  12. I usually don´t mind clones, but Young Link and Dr. Mario are the exceptions. --Jespoke (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2010 (EST)
  13. All Doctor Mario does is get people high on pills! 18:40, 1 December 2010 (EST)
  14. clones suck...but they suck even more when its the same character in a different costumeGig (talk)
  15. sorry doc, but the plumber here is the winner... 14:01, 2 December 2010 3 (EST)
  16. doctor, you never know what does it feels to venture through galaxies... Lucasthefourth (talk) 14:05, 2 December 2010 (EST)
  17. I don't even know a thing about Dr. Mario, (never played Melee) so I'm stuck with voting for Mario, even though I hate him. Dr. PikaLinkSmash (talk) 20:47, 2 December 2010 (EST)

Half-Votes section[edit]

  1. I guess I'll start the half-votes by voting for the original instead of the stupid clone—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 2:54, November 28, 2010
  2. i am a luigi lover anda mario lovert so i vote for mario. mastercrazyhand —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:48, November 30, 2010

Votes for Dr. Mario[edit]

  1. I always found Dr. Mario to be better in SSBM. It's a shame that he wasn't in Brawl. GOOOOO DOC!-Ivy73002MS.png 12:18, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  2. Better with Doctor Mario than Mario Mario. Even if Dr. Mario's a simple re-do of Mario. --HavocReaper'48 13:13, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  3. Dr. Mario is really cool he kills viruses69.88.193.31 15:49, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  4. If I did drugs Dr. Mario would be my dealer. 17:55, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  5. Mario's the classic character, but from a Smash Bros. standpoint, I favored Dr. Mario in Melee. He was stronger, used electric attacks instead of fire (which is part of why I like Luigi more than Mario too!), and, to be honest, doctors are just plain cooler than plumbers. Ivy's right about his absence from Brawl. Sure, he was a clone, but at least he was a good clone. Reflex 18:14, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  6. Dr. Mario is simply better. Period. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 19:10, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  7. The original Dr. Mario game beats the crap out of the original Mario game. (Actually that's a lie, but I'm better with Dr. Mario anyway.) Fuddlebob (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  8. In the Mushroom kingdom his the best Doctor by far, he got his degree by watching House and Scrubs and ER! But he's still awesome!T.testLP! The Page|The Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 23:20, 27 November 2010 (EST)
  9. Search up "The Dr.Mario song" on youtube, and you'll see what I mean.Vincent TranKirby-1.png 02:11, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  10. I feel I should vote for Dr Mario instead of normal Mario. I think I prefer Dr Mario over normal Mario. 04:10, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  11. Mario is cool, but... Dr. Mario is better. --UilMash (talk) 09:05, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  12. Dr. Mario kills little kids with drugs! Who wouldn't vote for him!? Mesuxelf Blazeicon.png (talk) 18:46, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  13. Doc is a lot better than Mario in Melee AND Brawl. While Mario can get infinited in Brawl and he can't combo so well and Doc (I think) can actually infinite about 1/3 of the cast with his Up-B cancel. Plus Mario isn't so great in a lot of games and I'm actually the king of this character. Doc King (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  14. Dr. Mario would poison Mario's mushroom and kill him. :) 21:30, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  15. Whats up Doc?Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 14:08, 30 November 2010 (EST)
  16. Dr.Mario's greater power, and vastly superior fair wins me over any day. Plus, Megavitamins killed Influenza, you can't do that with fireballs. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 17:39, 30 November 2010 (EST)
  17. Throwing pills is better than throwing fireballs. signed by someone... me | chat 20:40, 2 December 2010 (EST)


  1. doctor mario cures all—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemon master (talkcontribs) 7:46, November 27, 2010
  2. Dr. Mario is way stronger than Mario in Melee—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 3:10, November 28, 2010


Maybe there shouldn't be two competing characters from different metagames. Mario is from Brawl (the picture) and Dr. Mario is from Melee. It could be confusing and hard to decide. (I only have Brawl!) Brawlingbrian talk 12:58, 27 November 2010 (EST)

It doesn't have to be about who you think is better in Smash. You just pick whoever you want. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 18:55, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Mario's picture should be replaced by his Melee picture just like you did with Marth vs. Roy.T.testLP! The Page|The Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 23:20, 27 November 2010 (EST)

Right, I usually forget to do that when it's appropriate. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 16:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)

6 votes for Mario, 10.5 for Dr. Mario? Seriously? Reflex 07:22, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Well, I think that people would vote more for Doc due to his higher ranking within Melee's tier list, because Melee is the game with both Mario and Doc Mario. But anyways, Tiers R 4 Queers on Youtube Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2010 (EST)
WLIAF, people vote on who they like. Nobody cares about the tier list. To each his own. -Ivy73002MS.png 15:33, 28 November 2010 (EST)

I apologize for my 1st half vote i didn't refer myself to the rules - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2010 (EST)

I have no idea why plumbers are fighting doctors... Lucasthefourth (talk) 08:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Who really gives a crap that Doc is a clone. Being a clone is not bad when it comes to tourney play and can actually help out the character like Ganon was probably really good in Melee because he was a clone of the fastest Melee character (Falcon) while being so strong so he didn't end up like he is in Brawl (having really slow attacks and speed). Doc King (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Because at least the other clones werent just an already existing character with a different outfit,sure Roy,Falco,and Ganon were clones,but hey at least they were their own character and still pretty damn cool,but Dr.Mario,Young Link,and Pichu were terrible ideas,Dr.M is just mario in a doctors outfit giving out free pills to drug his foes,Young Link is just that,a young Link,and Pichu is pretty much just young Pikachu who was apparently a masochist,and whats wrong with Ganondorf in Brawl,his side tilt,down tilt,down air,and side special all got buffed,he may be slow but he was slow in melee as well so i dont see what your point is,he was and still is deadly,its just that slow characters arent very beginer friendly because they require a lot more skill to be used properly,the only real nerf he suffered is that he cant L cancel short hop F-airs and N-airs anymore and instead of getting comboed to hell he gets chain grabed insteadGig (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Don't argue about clones, characters, whatever here, the Smash Arena isn't meant for arguments. It's just a fun little forum for people to vote for the characters they like, nothing more. (Note this is aimed at Doc too, and anyone else who argue in the Smash Arena) Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 17:27, 3 December 2010 (EST)
It wasnt an argument,it was informing :P doc asked a question,i provided an answerGig (talk) 17:32, 3 December 2010 (EST)
Informing, arguing, the Smash Arena isn't the place for it. And Doc was making more of a statement (an argumentative one) than asking a question. But regardless, try to keep arguments and such off the Smash Arena, and keep it a fun place :p Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 17:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
But how are we supposed to have fun without arg,err i mean informing people...this is blasphemy,this is insane,THIS IS MADNESS!!!ganondorf if you will/Ganondorf:madness?MADNESS!?THIS IS SMAAAASH WIKIIII*clicks block*/Gig:*dramatic falling off of my chair*AAAARGHAARMPHGig (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2010 (EST)
Simply do it elsewhere. You have your userpage, do it there. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 18:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)
....-.-.....dude...that was a really gotta learn to lighten up a little OT /:lGig (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2010 (EST)
Dude... you failed. Get serious.--MegaTron1XD:p 18:08, 3 December 2010 (EST)
dont try to start things megaboy,its comments like those that start problems,smash wiki doesnt tolerate trolling rememberGig (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2010 (EST)
And you can't take sarcasm? And don't call me Megaboy. If you ever do, you'll be at the blunt end of my fury later on.--MegaTron1XD:p 18:14, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Can you all just drop this? Plus I'm trying to put up the new round and can't because of the edit conflicts. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 18:15, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Round 63: 75m vs. Green Hill Zone[edit]

75m Brawl.jpg
Green Hill Zone
Green Hill Zone.jpg

14.5 to 25
Green Hill Zone.jpg
While neither of these stages are tournament-friendly, they're both located in places that started their respective series (and arguably the big two gaming streams of the 90s). Is the iconic construction site or the loopy grassland the more popular battleground?

Votes for 75m[edit]

  1. It's fun throwing barrels as Donkey Kong on this stage in Brawl Minus. Plus, overly large stages > overly small stages for me. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 18:35, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  2. This is a classic! And who cares if it's not fair. Not all stages have to be 100% tournament safe, people. Mr. Anon (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  3. While I enjoy the defending lightbulb spinners on Green Hill Zone, the utter and awesome randomness of 75m never ceases to amaze me. And I always find the most hilarious KO's to be on that stage. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 20:46, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Let's see..... A stage featuring DK and Mario.... Or a stage featuring sonic.... Hmmmmm. Well, Dk and Mario it is!Vincent Tran Blorbs?Kirby-1.png 21:14, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  5. I prefer stages that are from a decade before other stages... --Smash-jay (talk) 22:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  6. Though I prefer GHZ's music, and is less cheap, 75m for starting off Mario and Donkey Kong. havoC-- 23:37, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  7. I am king of this level. Just sit on my favourite platform and wait it out until everyone else has died! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 09:15, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  8. I agree with Omega Tyrant: small stages suck. Doctor Pain 99 (CTE) 16:45, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  9. I'm not really a fan of either, but here's the thing. Green Hill zone is subject to tons of kills on the sides. Sure this is true with 75m as well, but it's bigger, and ergo less likely. Both stages are very cramped, but 75m is a bigger cramp, so yeah, I'm having trouble getting my point across on that one, heh. The spinning checkpoints are WAY cheaper than the fire guys and DK. DK can be easily avoided, the fire guys are a pain, but not too bad. The only things are the springs, which I admit are annoying as Meta Knight's Tornado! Hey, I never said I liked 75m, it's just the least bad of the two. And on a side note, I absolutely HATE the Sonic music. My least favorite songs of the series come from there primarily. There are a few good ones, like the Green Hill Zone theme song, but those annoying-arse songs like Seven Rings in Hand are just weird. We don't need sappy rock songs during a Brawl. And I don't even want to speak about Sonic Racers 'shudders'. I like all three of 75m's songs. 25 BGM was very nostalgic for me (sure I'm a teenager, but I used to play my fair share of old video games, like Donkey Kong), the Donkey Kong remix was just awesome and fun, and the Donkey Kong opening was just...yeah. Not bad. So! There was have it, 75m has my vote. My very long vote at that. Mowrt620 (talk)Mowrt620
  10. I dont have this stage yet, but it looks fun! 19:08, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  11. 75 m is like... bringing the old times... green hill zone? not really Lucasthefourth (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2010 (EST)
  12. 75m isn't camped hard enough compared to GHZ. Seriously, Green Hill's the most campy stage ever to be declared legal. (Though it was declared illegal afterwards.)T.testLPThe Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 23:52, 6 December 2010 (EST)
  13. 75m is better as I like Mario series! Also, I hate Green Hill Zone as I hate Sonic series! Super Smash Bros. series are suppose to be a battle of Nintendo game characters! That Sonic the Humbug is corrupting the Super Smash Bros. series along with Slow-mind Snake! Super Smash Bros. series is about to turn into M.U.G.E.N.!!! Anyway, I don't like bent stages(hard to do side smash).SuperMarioKingdom (talk)SuperMarioKingdom
  14. I may not have been alive when Donkey Kong came out, but it still makes me nostalgic XDDhawk (talk) 20:46, 8 December 2010 (EST)


  1. Donkey kong is better than Sonic! 75m is more fun! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:56, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Green Hill Zone[edit]

  1. My suggestion is up! I like Sonic :p--MegaTron1XD:p 18:31, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Frankly, 75m is my least favorite stage. Besides, I like the spinning balloon things on Green Hill Zone. BrawlingbrianFalcoHeadSSBU.pngSmashBall.png LANDMASTER!
  3. I really dislike 75m. Green Hill Zone is a little plain, but it's much better than 75m. Besides, the music is better there, too. Green Mario (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Just finished Sonic Colors so I'm feeling in a Sonic mood.-Ivy73002MS.png 19:21, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  5. 75m deserves to die in a hole. It's my least favorite stage EVER. IN ANY GAME. 20:48, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  6. Funner stage than 75m. 21:15, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  7. I'm just gonna vote for this crap because you can actually fight and do combos here and its not like a whole obstacle course. Also this is a huge advantage to Dedede :D! Doc King (talk) 22:45, 3 December 2010 (EST)
  8. Better stage, easier to fight in it, and because i prefer Sonic then DK. --UilMash (talk) 01:48, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  9. It´s easier to fight in this stage, and the music rocks! Ryder (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  10. Even though it's so cramped, I prefer it over 75m, alot. 05:07, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  11. Ít´s way more easy to fight , and 75m can kill you. 06:10, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  12. Ugh. 75m is an absolute hell level for me. Any level that makes your character the size of a postage stamp is absolutely annoying, and the springs — sorry, "jacks" — and chance of Donkey Kong hitting you are downright aggravating. Then we have Green Hill Zone. Friend to many, enemy to Robotnik. The ground breaks off (though you can just jump to get out of it), there's the easily-avoidable but oh-so-fun spinning checkpoint, and then we have the left-right boundaries that are very close to the edge of the screen… but not quite as close as those of 75m. No contest. Reflex 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  13. I love this level so much because the checkpoint its fun blowing others using it, I also hate level 75m its hard zeezow 07:02, 4 december 2010 (EST)
  14. SONIC IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brawliac (talk) 15:47, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  15. First of all, I think that Green Hill Zone Is WAY easier to play on! Second, GHZ has WAY better music. Third, You don't have to go crazy trying to get on the moving platforms. Forth, GHZ actually HAS a BackGround! And fifth, Cooler. Mesuxelf Blazeicon.png (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  16. GHZ is the main level of my favorite charecter so i got to pick it.Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  17. Green Hill Zone is all kinds of fun. Great music, ok size, fairly unobtrusive hazards... it's just a good stage overall! ~ C.Olimar788 (talk) 03:03, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  18. pfft what a joke of a match,green hill all the way,i wouldnt play on 75m even for fun,it only has one good song,looks like crap,and battling there is near impossible,would have been a better match if it was 75m vs that god forsaken crab infested sewer,cuz they both equally suck ass....should have brought back two N64 stages instead of those retro pieces of s#$tGig (talk) 04:16, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  19. feels more realistic than 75mmPikachu8090 (talk) 10:57, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  20. Awesome music and i just hate 75m - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 14:13, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  21. I absolutely suck on 75m, while you can say I'm actually almost close to being 1% remotely close to being 1% decent on this stage, because I love taking advantage of those checkpoint things, as well as the falling ground. Also, cool music. Anthony1996 (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2010 (EST)
  22. I really hate the spinning light-bulbs, but not as much as the random barrels and missing floor,--Jespoke (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
  23. I like how the 75m stage resembles the real level, BUT, I dislike the stage. 20:10, 9 December 2010 (EST)


  1. i hate everything 8 bit . green hill zone is great on spinning route—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemon master (talkcontribs) 9:35, December 4, 2010 (EST)
  2. Gotta go with Green Hill Zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:59, 4 December 2010 (EST)
  3. I totally HATE! 75m because when the D.K. pops out and the (it looks like springs) come flying at you and WHAM! K.O. i'd rather choose Green Hill Zone because i LOVE the look of it and Silver,Tails, and Knuckles going around behind the stage is cool BUUUUT! one little bad thing i don't like is one of the music (right there ride on) WHO WOULD MAKE THAT THE LYRICS! it's a little annoying i mean (right there ride on right there ride on) it's like SHUT UP! but other then that i love the other music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:14, 6 December 2010 (EST)
  4. I just LOVE Green Hill Zone, and 75m Sucks, its too big and complicated, smash stages needs to be simple!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:15, 10 December 2010 (EST)


Well, I just noticed that for the votes on Green Hill Zone, that it was numbered 1,2,1,2. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Fixed, something was wrong with a signature. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 21:41, 3 December 2010 (EST)

OT, you're actually wrong saying that Green hill is very small, I think its overall average size (A lot of sky XD). Doc King (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Green Hill Zone is certainly one of the smallest stages in Brawl, and I'm certainly not wrong when I say it's overly small. Sure, the amount of ground you can stand on may make it look "average", but there are no edges on the sides and the blast lines are suffocatingly close (which, the blast lines are what I use to consider a stage's size). But alas, read what I told Gig (which was also aimed at you) in the comments section in the previous Smash Arena battle. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS.png 16:14, 4 December 2010 (EST)

@Mesuxelf: Of course 75m doesn't have a background, you have got to remember, you've got a stage from an NES games vs. a stage from a Sega Genesis (plus if they did add one it would be generic anyway). havoC-- 11:39, 5 December 2010 (EST)

I knew there were people who didn't like 75m but this vote right now is just ridiculous - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2010 (EST)

When you put it that way OT, it makes sense. Very unique stage. Doc King (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2010 (EST)

SuperMarioKingdom, your wrong saying that Snake is a slow character, Snake has some fast moves like DACUS, his tilts, throws, and some special moves are pretty fast. And they're not destroying the smash series at all, whats so wrong with a couple of guest? Doc King (talk) 17:43, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Didn't I told you twice already that the Smash Arena is not a place for arguments? Stop trying to argue with anyone who posts something on here that you don't agree with. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)
Well, there's no rule saying you can't argue about anything. So then it's ok. Doc King (talk) 17:35, 10 December 2010 (EST)
No rule saying you can't be an asshole here, yet you don't be an asshole. You waste time arguing and accomplish nothing.--MegaTron1XD:p 17:49, 10 December 2010 (EST)

Round 64: Super Smash Bros. Dodeca-Fest![edit]

Mario SSB.png
Luigi SSB.png
Yoshi SSB.png
Donkey Kong SSB.png
Link SSB.png

Pikachu SSB.png

Ma: 0.5 Lg: 6 Ys: 1 DK: 2
Lk: 5 Sm: 1 Fx: 2 Kb: 11.5
Pk: 18 Jp: 1 CF: 9 Ns: 4

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Kirby SSB.png
Fox SSB.png
Pikachu SSB.png
Jigglypuff SSB.png
Captain Falcon SSB.png
Ness SSB.png
Holy smokes! In honour of the good old Nintendo 64, this special round of Smash Arena puts it between the entire cast of the original Super Smash Bros.! This fight won't count towards the official statistics, but it sure counts in all other ways (like bragging rights and so on). The chances of a tie are higher than ever before, so make sure your vote counts!

Votes for Mario[edit]


  1. Mario will always my fav character, this version of Mario, compared with the versions from Melee and Brawl, is arguably the est of the three. User:Byllant/sig—Preceding unsigned comment added by Byllant (talkcontribs) 9:42, Decemeber 11, 2010

Votes for Luigi[edit]

  1. Luigi's my best character among this group of fighters, so he gets my vote. FIRE JUMP PUNCH!!!!! BrawlingbrianFalcoHeadSSBU.pngSmashBall.png LANDMASTER!
  2. Luigi has been my best character, not only in SSB, but in Melee and Brawl too. He's overall just too underrated. --Jelloratbob (talk) 13:46, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  3. Luigi is epic ,super epic!!! Goatcathead (talk) 00:20, 14 December 2010 (EST)


  1. Luigi is awesome!!!!! I like his green fireball.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 7:59, Decemeber 11, 2010
  2. Luigi is my favorite character of mario series... if lucario was here, my vote was for him, but... Luigi is the best! Ya-ha!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 9:34, December 11, 2010 (EST)
  3. Luigi is the best in SSB! Luigi No. 1! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:01, December 12, 2010 (EST)
  4. I'm known as the Mario fan at school, but between the 2 plumbers I say Luigi is better —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:57, December 12, 2010 (EST)
  5. Luigi has a different but powerful set of moves.(If you use them and know how to use them well.) To sum him up, Awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 16:27, December 13, 2010 (EST)
  6. Goweegeegoweegeegoweegee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:33, 17 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Yoshi[edit]

  1. Yoshi is the best character from this group sry fox,pickachu, and DK. Yoshi is was the best character in smash bros I loved him so much till now, Go Yosiiii PREEEEHUP.Zeegamer (talk) 11:17, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Donkey Kong[edit]

  1. I'm just going to vote for DK because I've always been able to do good with him in my past years and got a very good record with him in 1P mode. Gotta love the back throw! Doc King (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. WOO! It's on like Donkey Kong! Rareware is epic in its nintendo era--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 08:11, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Link[edit]

  1. I kinda want to vote for Luigi and some others, but after all the crap his spin attack's been getting, I need to make a stand.-Ivy73002MS.png 18:36, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. 11th on the tier list, but first in my mind. Since I got the game back in 2000 (wow, ten years already?) Link has always been my main. Sure, Pikachu will win this battle, but why vote for the favorite? Reflex 14:51, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  3. Link is just awesome 18:16, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  4. GO LINK!! GO LINK!! GO LINK!! Zeldasmash (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2010 (EST)
  5. I've noticed that Link wins, more often than not. 21:03, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Samus[edit]

  1. Samus is awesome. enough said. Scoobford (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Kirby[edit]

  1. It's a tough choice between him and Falcon, and I haven't played SSB64 in nearly 10 years (nor have I ever owned it). Falcon was my second favorite in Melee and is my current favorite in Brawl Minus. But Kirby was an early favorite in Melee (despite how awful of a character he was), I'm a fan of his series outside Smash Bros. (where I'm not with F-Zero), and most importantly, I like him much more in Brawl (where he is a main and Falcon is not), my smash game of choice. So I'll support the super tuff pink puff here. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 18:47, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Sorry Ness, but I main Kirby, not you, so I'm voting for him. Mr. Anon (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  3. Well, I'm known as the kirby fanboy at my school, so TEH KIRBY RULZ!Vincent Tran Blorbs?Kirby-1.png 21:33, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Teh Super Tuff Pink Puff! -- 13:50, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  5. I like Mario,Yoshi,and Link, but I think I like Kirby more than the others. GO KIRBY!!!-- 19:15, 13 December 2010 (EST)
  6. Pink puffball wins. Always. movie138music | chat 18:55, 14 December 2010 (EST)
  7. i actually like Mario before, but when i knew about Kirby... i knew Kirby was better (and cuter) even though Kirby is just a pink puffball anyway (Lucasthefourth (talk) 04:52, 15 December 2010 (EST))
  8. FALCO...PWANCHGig (talk) 12:59, 16 December 2010 (EST)
  9. Kirby was always my favorite in the original 64 game, and he's a ton of fun to play as in Melee and Brawl, too! ~ C.Olimar788 (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2010 (EST)
  10. Kirby is just plain awesome. Enough said. --Shawn14parker (talk) 11:22, 17 December 2010 (EST)


  1. Kirby was my fav.. so Kirby it is!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 7:46, December 10, 2010
  2. a cute thing who can fly and inhale things! who won't vote for it?(EST)—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:38, December 10, 2010
  3. Pink puffballs that can float and inhale enemies are awesome. Enough said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 13:59, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Fox[edit]

  1. I've liked Fox's overwhelming speed in all three games and how effective his moveset is. He definately gets my vote here. T.testLPThe Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 23:12, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Fox is my main since SSB. Valsion, 20:54, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Pikachu[edit]

  1. I was sooo close to voting for captain falcon, but I decided to vote for pikachu instead, just 'cause he didn't have any votes yet, and thunder is an amazingly epic move... PIKA....CHUUUU!!!!! 21:39, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Pikachu! I choose you! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 03:44, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  3. Pikachu's the highest in the tier list for SSB and I favour Pikachu over all of the characters anyway. 04:32, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  4. heh... PIKACHU IS THE COLOR OF CHEESE!Brawliac (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  5. Yellow...Mesuxelf Blazeicon.png (talk) 10:36, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  6. Pikachu must beat Captain falcon. 14:32, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  7. Pikachu was the reason i ever heard about this game, and has always been my main character.(I decided this years before i first saw the tier list)--Jespoke (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  8. Pikachu rocks in all ways! I can pwn everything in my path with its awesome Thunder attack!! ( I used to pause everytime I used it on a character to see their bone structure xD ) --Landfish7 16:16, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  9. Pikachu is number one. That's why I voted for him. --Smash-jay (talk) 17:39, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  10. Pikachu is a top tier, vote him. Don't vote for Samus, she's "bottom tier." 09:15, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  11. Pikachu is one of my best fighters in all three SSB. --UilMash (talk) 12:23, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  12. Go! Masterofcheapshots! Use cheap shot! 13:06, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  13. Pikachu is my best character on brawl and melee. I also love pokemon a lot.Pikachu8090 (talk) 18:44, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  14. Pikachu is made of win, for the win. 16:53, 13 December 2010 (EST)
  15. Pikachu is cute, fast, awesome, and short. Not to mention he's fairly balanced and strong, and that I love pokémon. Their games are second only to SSB Brawl. Dr. PikaLinkSmash (talk) 20:29, 13 December 2010 (EST)
  16. The reason why Pikachu is that Awesome is because he's cute and cubby fat. 09:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
  17. ..... yellow is the mouse. ..... (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Half votes[edit]

  1. Pikachu is a pokemon game mascot , jigglypuff is stupid and so very fat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemon master (talkcontribs) 01:15, 14 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Pika, Pika, Pikachu! THE best (and cutest) fighter in all three smash bros games! Let's outspeed those other fighters! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 14:30, 17 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Jigglypuff[edit]

  1. I was torn between Jiggs and Yoshi, but the lack of Jigglypuff votes cajoled me to vote here. I main Yoshi and Jigglypuff in SB64, but I actually think I'm a bit better with Jigglypuff. Yyyyep.Mowrt620 (talk)Mowrt620

Votes for Captain Falcon[edit]

  1. C Falcon was the **** and his uair still destroys, FALCON PUNCH 18:36, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. My main, and the Punch is at it's best, before a bujillion nerfs in later games. havoC-- 19:19, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  3. Oh man, such a tough decision. I love pretty much all the characters in 64, but if I had to go with one, JUST ONE, it would be Falcon, with his retardedly sexy combo ability, and, of course, the almighty Falcon Punch. It's such a shame what they did to him in Brawl. I used to call him Captain Falcman when I was younger, which is a sign of how many he is!! Anthony1996 (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Captain Falcon has always been my favourite character. 22:51, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  5. FALCON PUNCH! That is all. Ryder (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  6. Captain Falcon has insanely awesome manlyness, so I must vote for this manly man. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 04:39, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  7. He's just cool. 09:30, 11 December 2010 (EST)
  8. THE KNEE!!! - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 09:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Half Votes[edit]

  1. Captain Falcon not only, he's fast he has a huge power, so don't vote on the other charaters, vote on captain falcon.--Zero (talk) 07:13, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  2. FALCO PAUNCH GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE KNEE THE KICK EVERYTHING!!!!!! HE IS THE BEST!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fghrty77 (talkcontribs) 15:15, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for Ness[edit]

  1. i like ness and his strategic gameplay and plus hes the underdog. always go for the underdog!Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 19:37, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  2. (I haven't voted in Smash Arena for a long time, but I couldn't turn this one down :P). Anyway, I'm actually really good with Ness. Like what SonicSmasher said, I like the strategic gameplay too. Also, one of my favorite games is EarthBound. Unknown the Hedgehog 21:26, 10 December 2010 (EST)
  3. I think of all the characters in their respective games, at least before SSB64, Ness goes though the most character development. Feel free to prove me wrong.Dhawk (talk) 11:23, 12 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Of course I would vote Ness! He's perfect! 18:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)


Toomai, are you sure this will work? Are there different rules for this fight? Mr. Anon (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2010 (EST)

No idea if it'll "work", but hey, it'll be dang interesting, and you gotta do something new every now and then. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 20:02, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Wow Toomai, what a good idea to do, I also love that you chose this for the 64th round for a 64 game :D! Should we do this for Melee and Brawl also? Doc King (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Do you really want a 40 character arena battle? Mr. Anon (talk) 21:19, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Yeah there is little chance I'd consider anything above 12 participants; even this was a stretch. The format just isn't made for battle royals. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 21:40, 10 December 2010 (EST)

I always look forward to a new Smash Arena battle, but this one was a surprise. I really can't decide on my vote this time. BrawlingbrianFalcoHeadSSBU.pngSmashBall.png LANDMASTER!

I dont think any vote will ever be harder than this one ToT forgive me mario,luigi,yoshi,DK,kirby,fox,ness,and captain falcon,specially you kirby and fox,my first and only mains ever in any smash game so many years ago when the game first came out,youre all awesome T~TGig (talk) 01:59, 11 December 2010 (EST)

I have a feeling that Captain Falcon is going to win by a landslide.... BrawlingbrianFalcoHeadSSBU.pngSmashBall.png LANDMASTER! 14:21, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Me too. Just because of the falcon punch. Shure its funny and powerful but its near impossible to land. Does make for a great internet meam though!Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2010 (EST)

It's not impossible. I'll show you if you get on irc. havoC-- 21:29, 11 December 2010 (EST)

Very close match, either Pikachu or Captain falcon will win this. 09:20, 12 December 2010 (EST)

The reason why some people chooses Captain falcon is because of his great power such as "FALCON PUNCH", and yes captain falcon was my second favorite SSB character. 09:25, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Also because he's pretty fast and he has those funny, manly features to him and maybe because all of his special moves start with falcon. I find it sad how Pikachu is winning all because of the outdated tier list from like a year ago :p. Doc King (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2010 (EST)
Hey, I resent that. I voted for pikachu simply because of his amazing b-down move. I never pay attention to the tier lists anyway. (That's my vote on the top of the pikachu list, I just forgot to log on.) Fuddlebob (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2010 (EST)
Arguments are not to take place on the SA. Take it off Wiki.--MegaTron1XD:p 22:32, 12 December 2010 (EST)

@Shaun's Wiji Dodo: Nintendo trademarked that catchphrase. :P. havoC-- 11:56, 12 December 2010 (EST)

You know, I feel that most of these battles are extremely one-sided. I know that its supposed to be a battle between some characters with a common characteristic, but sometimes tha match is more one-sided than DK vs D3! Just look at some of the past contests! T.testLPThe Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 22:44, 12 December 2010 (EST)

With everyone voting for Pikachu, who is beyond Captain Falcon, it really makes you wonder how come people don't vote properly :3--MegaTron1XD:p 22:45, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Did i ever think of tier lists because of that mouse. 08:56, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Poor Luigi is getting all these half votes :'( - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 09:39, 13 December 2010 (EST)

While it certainly sucks I can't say it's not ironically humourous. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 11:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
How so? - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2010 (EST)
Luigi is an off character :p--MegaTron1XD:p 17:55, 13 December 2010 (EST)
It is kindof funny how Luigi has a lot of half votes. That could mean that Luigi fans don't follow rules XD! Doc King (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Can any one vote for Jigglypuff before 5 days pass? I know Pikachu's my favorite but jig is lonely. 17:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Well if you want to, you can change your vote if it has not been a half vote. Nothing stops you from doing so.--MegaTron1XD:p 18:01, 13 December 2010 (EST)
You can change your vote if it was a half-vote; you just can't move it out of the Half-Votes section without changing your vote. Toomai Glittershine ??? 19:03, 13 December 2010 (EST)

I enjoy watching people try to coerce people into voting for people, especially using the tier list, like the 10th vote in pikachu's votes. Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 12:51, 14 December 2010 (EST)

................................................P.........I........K........A.........C..........H..........U......................... ..... (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Gee, some people would most likely think pikachu will win this round but there's still four days left to catch up for other characters. ..... (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)

The guests do not really know how to vote for Luigi properly because most of the for him WERE half votes. Poor guy that is awesome than Mario. ..... (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2010 (EST)

I feel as though I should point out two things about captain falcon: One, the knee was not introduced until SSBM, not sure if that should influence votes or anything, but I just feel you shouldn't vote for Captain Falcon just because of that, when this is (assumably) meant to be based on the N64 version. Secondly, when he says "falcon kick" in SSB64, he sounds like a tool. Just sayin' :P 07:29, 15 December 2010 (EST)

If you never played SSB, that is your deciding vote.--MegaTron1XD:p 09:36, 15 December 2010 (EST)

For next time, can we do a Pikachu vs. Pichu round? ..... (talk) 09:19, 15 December 2010 (EST)

As of now, Toomai has a complete set filled out, but when the suggestions open up, you can suggest this.--MegaTron1XD:p 09:36, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Anybody else notice kirby got a ton of votes at once?! He's up to seven now. he could win.Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Yeah, even though I voted for C.Falcon, I root for them both. Kirby's pink fluffyness greatly contrasts with Falcon's awesome manlyness and I wish both of them could win!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Welikeikeandfoxes (talkcontribs) 22:09, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Two more days before Winter break! :D but exams are in the way. :P ..... (talk) 09:00, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Many Days past ever since Saturday, and Pikachu's in the lead. Who can beat Pikachu, is there hope (Captain Falcon or Kirby) to beat him. ..... (talk) 09:31, 16 December 2010 (EST)

And yes, Link is catching up. ..... (talk) 09:33, 16 December 2010 (EST)

@ the guy who said this is based off of SSB64 that is not necessarily the case. It has been said in many past battles that you can vote on it however you'd like, so the knee could be a fine reason to vote for C. Falcon - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2010 (EST)

this is disturbingly one sided....i didnt think there was going to be a single character who would gain such a drastic lead but pikachu is blowing everyone away...i think ill change my vote to kirby just to give him a fighting chance...captain falcon is overated,kirby is manlier than anyone can ever hope to beGig (talk) 12:57, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Round 65: Bowser vs. King Dedede[edit]

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King Dedede
King Dedede SSBB.jpg

11 to 22.5
King Dedede SSBB.jpg
It's the two not-exactly-protagonist aspiring tyrants with the goal of doing whatever the heck they want. After destroying their nemesis. Dedede may have the massive hammer and ability to fly, but Bowser's got his spiked shell and fire breath, while both have minions that mostly do bodychecks. Which is the king of this fight?

Votes for Bowser[edit]

  1. The turtle will smash the fat penguin. Zero (talk) 04:17, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Giga Bowser > Dedede Army. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:34, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  3. I personally like Bowser more than King Dedede. 10:38, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  4. F-strong, Dash attack, Fair, Land on ground, Bair, Bair, Up-B to the ledge to edgehog. BOOM.-Ivy73002MS.png 10:47, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  5. Well, hun, Koopa will thrash that penguin. He's got the greatest weapons: an over-powered side smash, an up aerial with as a cool finisher, and the great Flying Slam! Ah hah hah hah! Lili Rochefort 1965 (talk) 11:59, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  6. This is coming from personal choice... Also Bowser proves to be more impressive than King Triple D's (Worst Nickname for King Dedede ever!). Plus turning into a huge ass turtle... thing... is more impressive than some kind of odd dance that somehow makes you able to summon multiple Waddle-doos and Dees and Gordos...RoZo (talk) 12:09, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  7. Less annoying than DDD, not to mention a great pawnching bag. havoC-- 12:50, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  8. tough choice,but im gonna have to go with bowser,giga bowser trumps the big gay dance in coolness and effiecency,besides chain grabs are just lame,and even though dedede survives a long time due to his weight and long range recovery his recovery is the easiest to punish of them all,nothing funier than locking a dedede in mid air and keeping him from recovering with pits arrowsGig (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  9. Let's see Bowser as teeth King Dedede doesn't Bowser has claws King Dedede has soft gloves.And now here's the Winner: Bowser.--Ryder (talk) 08:07, 20 December 2010 (EST)


  1. The mario series is better. and Actually, I wont vote to a penguin! who don't love a turtle look monster that breath fire?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 01:56, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Bowser! His a yellow and green one, semi on-fire of action, yeah! His a scaley bitter Giga, and he never stop to kidna-aap. he likes Peach then she like hi-i-i-i-im! his bowser, bowser the turtle! but you can call him monster. Bowser!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 8:52, December 18, 2010
  3. Bowser all the way, not only can he turn into an awesome better self but he shoots Ph1r3 and that's what matters 18:44, 18 December 2010 (EST)—Preceding unsigned comment added by FE pro (talkcontribs) 4:39, December 18, 2010
  4. who wants thing on fire for lunch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefman630 (talkcontribs) 14:29, 19 December 2010 (EST)

Votes for King Dedede[edit]

  1. Dedede is gonna' whoop (or hammer) King Bowsers scaly hiny again! Altaria (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2010 (EST)
  2. Dedede have beat Bowser once in the Subspace Emissary once, why not twice? Lucasthefourth (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2010 (EST)
  3. BIG GAY DANCE!!!! Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2010 (EST)
  4. Tough choice, I like using heavies. D3 gets my vote just because I can annoy people with chaingrabs. Also his Bair is too good. T.testLPThe Communicator|The...WhateverGanondorfHeadSSBU.pngGanondorf da bess! 22:11, 17 December 2010 (EST)
  5. Duh, of course Dedede is FTW. Dedede beat Bowser easily in SSE. 00:38, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  6. King Dedede can fly! And he has techniques, whil;e Bowser generally has brute force (But I never read Bowser's article, soooo)Vincent Tran Blorbs?Kirby-1.png 02:40, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  7. This was actually a very difficult decision, since I like both of them and I use both in Brawl. Let's start with Bowser. As the antagonist (and sometimes anti-hero) of the series, he's become a surprising favorite for many people. Just like most villains, he commands his own little army, and although the monsters in it seem weak, there sure are a lot of them. From a Brawl standpoint, he has strong attacks, an awesome Final Smash (no knockback!), and one of my favorite moves: Flying Slam. Whenever I get a stock advantage, I just keep using it — and I almost never lose. Then again, there is that glaring speed problem, and his recovery leaves something to be desired. Now let's shift our view to King Dedede, the Koopa King's Kirby counterpart. Unlike Bowser, he could be classified more as an anti-hero than an antagonist most of the time. His own army is practically equal to Bowser's, the main difference being that D3's soldiers are much more varied. What about the penguin in Brawl? He has strong attacks, an awesome Final Smash (Big Gay Dance!... Wait, haven't I already used this format?), and his own suicide move in Inhale. Unlike Bowser, however, he can actually survive it. Also, Dedede can jump five times (that penguin can fly!) and his recovery move is excellent. Sorry, Bowser, but you're only second-best. Reflex 07:59, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  8. King DeDeDe is my partner in crime. Mesuxelf MetaKnightHeadSSBU.png (talk) 08:15, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  9. Dedede all the way. He's the reason why I had moderate success against Omega Tyrant and his infinites, chains, and Wall of pain really makes me good with him. Doc King (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  10. Obviously i choose King Dedede because of being a HIGH TIER. ..... (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  11. Dedede is broken. Mr. Anon (talk) 16:55, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  12. Uses King Dedede: Beats opponents. REALLY BADLY. Uses Bowser: Game over screen plays. -BrawlingbrianFalcoHeadSSBU.pngLANDMASTER! 19:39, 18 December 2010 (EST)
  13. King Dedede is just awesome! 01:42, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  14. King Dedede is way better than bowser, he can swallow people. He played a funnier role in subspace emiserey alsoZeegamer (talk) 08:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  15. Why Dedede? let's see... penguin, good projectile, good recovery, incredibly powerful, and... wait for it... BIG GAY DANCE!!!!!!!!!!!! 09:47, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  16. King Dedede is higher tier, and i consider him to be a better character. --UilMash (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  17. penguin vs. a turtle. PENGUIN!!!!!Sonicsmasher777 (talk) 13:20, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  18. Im good with Bowser but even better as Dedede Silent Viper (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  19. I like penguins. :D Koopa1997 (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2010 (EST)
  20. King Dedede will destroy Bowser with its fatness116.240.164.15 02:22, 20 December 2010 (EST)
  21. King Dedede is funnier, more powerful and can destroy Bowser with chain-grabs. D3 has my vote. Zeldasmash (talk) 08:54, 20 December 2010 (EST)
  22. Bowser's nemesis is some plumber? Psh, King dedede has to put up with a pink puff that eats all his minions! - Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw (talk) 09:07, 21 December 2010 (EST)


  1. Changing my vote, Dedede ruled in the Subspace Emmisary.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhawk (talkcontribs) 7:59 ,December 18


I feel important now, cause i helped with the editing stuff, like people with not using their number and sigs right Welikeikeandfoxes (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2010 (EST)

Both have big body... both of them have big castles... both of them have a pretty simple nemesis... both of them are greedy... both of them sometime is good... both of them have army... and both of them can dance! Lucasthefourth (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2010 (EST)

No one probably notices it, but the colors are red and green, the Christmas colors :D. Nice thinking Toom :P.Vincent Tran Blorbs?Kirby-1.png 02:42, 18 December 2010 (EST)

Can everyone vote for King Dedede for me plz! ..... (talk) 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST) havoC-- 12:49, 18 December 2010 (EST)

Lawl... Wikifail? RoZo (talk) 13:18, 18 December 2010 (EST)

I just noticed how huge my vote is. Sorry if it seems like a wall of text. Reflex 15:22, 21 December 2010 (EST)