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Edge

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Not to be confused with the smasher Etsuji, formerly known as Edge.
Melee's Battlefield showing platforms. Edges (grabbable platforms) are denoted with red.
Marth grabbing the ledge of Final Destination in Brawl.
Link stealing a ledge from Mario in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

An edge (also known as a ledge, coded internally as cliff) is any part of a stage from which one can grab or tether (not to be confused with a wall grapple). Edges are often found at the ends of a stage's main platform. The edge therefore becomes an important element in the battle between an edge-guarder and a recovering opponent. Some stages can have many edges or none at all; on most tournament legal stages, there is an edge on both ends of the stage (e.g. Final Destination).

The majority of edges on hard and semisoft platforms can be grabbed. Some edges cannot be grabbed, and so make recovery from that side of the stage significantly more difficult. Examples of ungrabbable edges include the moving platform of Peach's Castle (in Smash 64 only), the lower sides of Summit, and all Stage Builder blocks aside from the standard one (and even then, only if the edge is at least two blocks above a floor). Generally, soft platforms do not have grabbable edges, the main exception being those on Norfair.

In the original Super Smash Bros. and in Melee, a character cannot grab the edge if facing the opposite direction, with some exceptions, such as when using Falcon Dive and Spinning Kong in Melee. In Brawl, Smash 4 and Ultimate, characters can grab an edge behind them, but with a range of 40% less than in front. Characters will automatically grab a nearby edge while in the air unless the player is actively holding down on the control stick or D-pad. Multiple characters cannot hold onto an edge at the same time, with the exception of the Ice Climbers in Brawl and Ultimate where both climbers belonging to one player can grab the same edge. When a character grabs an edge, they will briefly become intangible. This is the basis of ledgestalling (see that article for more detailed analysis of how edge-grabbing works in Melee). However, in Brawl and Smash 4, the intangibility immediately disappears once they let go of the ledge by pressing down on the control stick, preventing characters from having indefinite ledge intangibility.

The physics of grabbing edges have undergone a massive overhaul in Super Smash Bros. 4. In this game, air time and damage of a character affect how much intangibility is earned by grabbing the ledge; a healthy character with a high amount of air time earns more intangibility. Damage no longer affects a character's recovery animations, so they always use their fast ones. A character can also be stopped from grabbing a ledge for 55 frames if they are hit, forcing most characters to predictably delay their recovery in order to sweetspot the ledge. Finally and arguably most importantly, attempting to grab an edge that someone else is already grabbing will gently remove them from the edge and then grab it, negating edge-hogging, and grabbing an edge a second time without touching the ground or being hit will not grant intangibility, negating planking. Grabbing and stealing edge while someone hangs from it as well is commonly known as edge trumping.

In Ultimate, grabbing an edge consecutively without landing or getting hit now decreases the intangibility of subsequent edge recovery options, to the point of granting no intangibility at all from the fourth edge grab onward. Additionally, in a similar vein to Ike's Aether in previous games, characters can only grab an edge up to six times under these conditions, further decreasing the effectiveness of planking strategies.

Climbing[edit]

A chart showing different ways for a character to edge recover in Brawl.
Main article: Edge recovery

When hanging onto an edge, the player has five possible actions:

  • Climbing
  • Attacking
  • Rolling
  • Jumping (except in Smash 64)
  • Dropping

Fast versus slow edge actions[edit]

When a character's damage is lower than 100%, the character is considered "fresh", and is able to climb back onto the stage from the edge rather quickly. However, at percentages of 100% and above, the character can be considered "tired", and climbing becomes a harder task. As a result, all edge actions aside from letting go have two possible animations: one with the character performing the action in a fluent and fast manner, and another with the character doing so in a messy and slow manner. The fast and slow animations are often noticeably different in execution, such as a quick flip kick versus a slow trip kick, or a quick roll versus a slow crawl.

The slow actions were removed in Smash 4.

Intangibility duration[edit]

The amount of intangibility gained upon grabbing an edge differs between games, but is generally a fixed value. This changes in SSB4, where both air time and percentage have an effect.

Value Notes
SSB 60 frames (plus the duration of the edge-grabbing animation, which is 3, excepting Yoshi, Mario, and Luigi, for which it's 7)
SSBM 30 frames (plus the duration of the edge-grabbing animation, which is usually 7)
SSBB 23 frames
SSB4 (a*0.2+64)-(p*44/120) frames (a = airtime in frames with max 300, p = percentage with max 120)
(minimum 24 frames, maximum 124 frames)

As a result of this system change in SSB4, the following behaviours arise:

  • Players with low damage and low airtime are intangible for 64 frames (~1 second).
  • Players with high damage and high airtime can be intangible for up to 80 frames (~1.333 seconds). As a result, fresh players that grab the edge are about even with highly-damaged players trying to recover.
  • Players with high damage and low airtime are only intangible for 24 frames (0.4 seconds), so it does no good to grab the edge multiple times when recovering.
  • Players with low damage and high airtime can be intangible for up to 124 frames (~2 seconds), much more than any other game. However, this is difficult to achieve, as the required airtime is 5 seconds.

Hang time[edit]

The amount of damage a character has affects how long they can hang on an edge before automatically dropping off and beginning to tumble.

SSB SSBM SSBB SSB4 SSBU
Under 100% 18 seconds 11 seconds 6 seconds 7 seconds 25 seconds
100% or more 8 seconds 8 seconds 5 seconds 6 seconds 20 seconds

These durations can only be altered in SSB4 with Lingering Edge and Hasty Edge equipment; nothing else has any effect, such as character properties or item-provided statuses.

Ledgetrapping[edit]

Ledgetrapping is the act of limiting only six options to leave the ledge and granting coverage of them: regular get up, get up attack, ledgeroll, ledge jump, drop down ledge attack, or staying on the ledge. This is an effective strategy for players who are trying to read their option by using a move that covers most of their choices. A simple way of ledgetrapping for all characters is shielding at the ledge as it covers four out of the six ledge options, two of which must be reacted upon (regular get up, get up attack, ledge roll, and jump). If the ledgetrapper shielding gets one of the options, he or she can grab the opponent and send them back past the ledge for them to try again.

Notable examples of effective ledgetrapping[edit]

  • Mario: Up smash covers ledge jump, get up attack, and roll. His neutral air's lingering hitbox also covers ledge jump and get up attack
  • Link: Link's neutral air covers a wide hitbox around him and his Remote Bombs can be thrown up to cover every option if timed right.
  • Samus and Dark Samus: Bomb at ledge is very useful to cover a lot of options. Charge shot can be used to react to ledge jump if the ledgetrapper is quick.
  • Yoshi: Neutral air covers a wide hitbox around him and Egg Throw also can be angled to cover different angles in which the opponent travels
  • Fox: His neutral air covers a large hitbox and if the sourspot connects at higher percents, it can confirm into an up smash.
  • Pikachu: Thunder Jolt covers roll, regular get up, get up attack, and staying on the ledge because it travels under the ledge. He can also do back airs out of shield to force a reaction and can shield poke the regular get up.
  • Ness: PK Fire is effective at catching some reckless options, including jump, regular get up, and get up attack. Ness also can use yo-yo at the ledge to cover jump, roll, and staying on the ledge, especially.
  • Zelda: Phantom Slash at the ledge covers all options and if the opponent is shielding, Zelda can get a free grab.
  • Dr. Mario: Megavitamins have a tricky trajectory and bounce and if it covers an option, Doc can confirm into any aerial. Dr. Tornado is also effective at ledge and it covers jump if mashed, regular get up, get up attack if the heavy armor is initiated on startup, and staying on the ledge as an edgeguarding tool. Just like Mario, up smash covers the same options.
  • Marth and Lucina: Neutral air and forward air's hitbox covers all get up options with the large arc.
  • Ganondorf: Neutral air covers regular get up, get up attack, and jump. Forward and up smash are notoriously powerful for calling out opponents' option at the ledge.
  • Roy and Chrom: Their jab can hit below the ledge and also covers all the options. Chrom, in particular, can up B out of shield to react to opponent's options. Roy, on the other hand, can side B at the ledge to call out poor options.
  • Mr. Game and Watch: Chef at the ledge is very effective as you can control the bacon in any direction. Up smash and down smash can read rolls and jumps for the invincible latter.
  • Wario: Chomp at ledge is very useful and is also a command grab as it covers regular get up and jump.
  • Snake: Snake's Grenades, Up Smash, and C4 at ledge provide every coverage and it only recovers the opponent's timing. However, it is a long setup.
  • Lucas: PK Freeze and down smash covers a large area and it also hits the ledge.
  • King Dedede: Gordo's bounce patterns at the ledge create a tricky option for opponents to leave it and Dedede can also charge jet hammer to cover extra options.
  • R.O.B.: Gyro at ledge can create setups, neutral air has a wide hitbox that covers all get-up options, and Arm Rotor is very useful as a ledge guarding tool.
  • Wolf: Neutral air covers a wide hitbox and down smash covers roll, regular get up, and get up attack.
  • Palutena: Down tilt covers hanging on the ledge, Explosive Flame is effective at get up attack and jump.
  • Robin: Arcfire at the ledge can combo into any aerials because it has good coverage.
  • Shulk: Neutral air and forward air at the ledge is infamous for its massive range to cover all options.
  • Cloud: Neutral air and forward air is good at get up options and up B out of shield is good at reacting.
  • Inkling: They can throw a splat bomb to cover regular get up, get up attack, and jump.
  • Simon and Richter: Holy Water at the ledge covers all options except staying on ledge and it can confirm into a forward smash.
  • Piranha Plant: Ptooie's arc covers all options if aimed right with addition of Long Stem strike and Poison Breath.
  • Joker: Both versions of back air and Arsene at ledge is effective to call out opponents options. Eiha and Eigaon create tricky arcs for opponents to react to.
  • Hero: Zapple and Kazap are effective at covering all options and Kazap has super armor so it invalidates get up attack but not staying on ledge.
  • Banjo & Kazooie: Rear Egg's slow movement can be tricky to exploit due to its angle and egg firing is effective at denying different get ups
  • Byleth: Neutral air has a long lasting hitbox and Areadbhar's grants enormous coverage.

2 frame punish[edit]

A two frame punish is a mechanic introduced in Smash 4 that allows a potential edge guarder to attack an opponent attempting to recover without even leaving the stage or hardly coming off. When a character grabs the ledge, there are two frames (or 1/30th of a second) of tangibility directly before they grab the ledge. The two frames of punish time don't appear if the character recovering grabs the ledge not by coming up, but by going past the ledge and grabbing it on the way back down, or just jumping and not using their up-b, though both can lead to punishment regardless. If the recovering character uses a teleport recovery (like Sheik's Vanish) starting from above the ledge, the two vulnerable frames don't apply and there will be no room for punishment.
Tilts and Z-Dropped items are generally the best tactics to make use of the frames. Any attack that goes below the ledge will work, but they're the least punishable. The downward half of Kirby's Final Cutter and Cloud's Climhazzard can act as an extremely powerful meteor smash or sacrificial KO if landed during this period.

Edge sweet spot[edit]

The edge sweet spot is the range around a fighter from the edge of a platform at which a character can still grab the edge. This is normally in reference to a recovery move such as an up special move, but is also active when a fighter is falling downwards and not using an aerial. This distance varies for each character and each type of recovery move, with some recovery moves having large edge sweet-spots, while others cannot sweetspot at all. In addition, some fighters have notoriously large edge sweet spot hitboxes, particularly in Smash 4, which has led to many players jokingly referring to the feature as "magnet hands". All characters have 2 hitboxes, one in front and one behind them, usually towards their head area, which when overlapping with the ledge will result in the character grabbing the ledge. Some special moves only enable the front edge sweet spot hitbox to be active, while some do not allow either for either part of or the entire duration of the special. Notable recovery moves that cannot edge-sweetspot are Captain Falcon and Ganondorf's up specials in Melee, along with Little Mac's Rising Uppercut and Cloud's Climhazzard (if he is not under Limit Break status). Typically, when attempting a recovery, it is more useful to aim up special moves for the ledge in an attempt to sweetspot the ledge (if possible), rather than recovering to the stage. The edges on Battlefield in Melee are quite infamous for being difficult to grab on to.

Super Smash Bros. for Wii U digital manual description[edit]

"If you get close enough to an edge, your character will grab on to it. Pressing left or right, jumping, or pressing the attack or shield button will let you climb up off the edge in a variety of ways."

  • "Some fighters have special moves or tools to grab on to edges."

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