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Revision as of 19:14, June 15, 2015

This article is about Marth's appearance in Super Smash Bros. 4. For the character in other contexts, see Marth.
Marth
in Super Smash Bros. 4
Marth
FireEmblemSymbol.svg
Universe Fire Emblem
Other playable appearances in Melee
in Brawl

Availability Starter
Final Smash Critical Hit
Marth's stock icon in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

Marth (マルス, Marth) is a playable character in Super Smash Bros. 4. He was announced on the official website on November 7th, 2013; years before, four Fire Emblem games were released on November 3, November 4, and November 11.

Marth is voiced once again by Hikaru Midorikawa, albeit using clips from Melee and Brawl, despite having appeared outside Japan.

Changes from Brawl

Likely due to his dominance in Melee and Brawl, Marth was overwhelmingly nerfed, and the minimal amount of buffs he did receive are all negligible, and are not enough to compensate. He has less reach relative to the rest of the cast, obsoleting one of his key advantages in the previous titles. Many of his staple moves, most notably his forward aerial and down tilt, have more end lag, weakening his ability to control space effectively. Due to his slower movement and the aforementioned nerfs to his reach and endlag, his neutral game, particularly his approaches, is significantly worse than in his previous appearances. Additionally, Marth's attacks are overall less rewarding on hit, as he lost many guaranteed setups into KO moves; this has drastically decreased his comboing and KOing potential. His grabs also launch enemies farther but were not given KOing ability at reasonable percentages to compensate, completely removing direct grab follow-ups, as well as hindering his ability to put opponents in unsafe positions. Additionally, unlike other characters who were nerfed for Smash 4, Marth does not appear to benefit from most of the game's universal changes.

Due to his nerfs, Marth players now have to rely much more on gimmicks (such as raw tippers, Shield Breaker, and Counter) and the opponent's mistakes to maintain control of the match. Shield Breaker provides more distance when used in the air, giving him slightly more recovery mixups. However, these gimmicks do not serve to aid Marth at all in competitive play, and despite the efforts of dedicated Marth mains such as Mr. E, he currently has one of the worst high-level representations in large Smash 4 tournaments.

Marth has been slightly buffed so far from updates in 1.0.6 and 1.0.8 (minus the small nerf to damage on Marth's jab).

Aesthetics

Attributes

  • Buff Marth is slightly heavier than in Brawl (87 → 90)
  • Nerf The change in units of distance grants Marth more disjoint relative to his hurtboxes but since the change affects the entire cast, Marth ends up having less reach overall relative to the reach of other characters. Additionally, the sizes of his hitboxes have been reduced. Overall, Marth's moves are less safe than they were in previous games.
  • Nerf Marth's air speed is slightly slower (1.034 → 1.02).
  • Buff Marth's running speed is slightly faster (1.7 → 1.785).

Ground attacks

  • Nerf Up tilt (8/9/12 → 5/6/9%), down tilt base (8/9 → 7%), forward smash (14/19 → 13/18%), down smash (13/14 → 8/12%), and up smash sourspot (4/14 → 3/13%) all deal less damage than in Brawl. Knockback compensated on up tilt, up smash, and forward smash however.
  • Nerf Jab now comes out one frame later (4/2 → 5/3) and has slightly more ending lag.
  • Buff Forward tilt has more knockback (40 base/80 growth → 55 base/85 growth).
  • Nerf Forward tilt comes out one frame later (7 → 8).
  • Nerf Up tilt has 2 more frames of ending lag.
  • Nerf Down tilt has more ending lag. It only lasts 2 frames instead of 3, and has a significantly smaller hitbox. It also can no longer move Marth forward, removing its ability to pseudo crawl.
  • Nerf Dash attack has a noticeably smaller hitbox.
  • Nerf Forward smash has slightly more ending lag.
  • Nerf Up smash comes out one frame later (12 → 13), lasts 5 frames instead of 6, and has slightly more ending lag.
  • Buff Up smash has a slightly larger hitbox radius overall.
  • Buff Back hit of sweet-spotted down smash has more growth (80 → 88). It also deals slightly more damage (16 → 17).
  • Nerf Front hit of down smash is weaker despite it's increased growth on both the sweet and sourspots (70/80 → 88). Both hits last 2 frames instead of 3.

Aerial attacks

  • Nerf Nair (12/18 → 8/11%), fair (10/13 → 7/10%), bair (11/14 → 9/12%), uair (10/13 → 9/12%), and dair sourspots (12 → 11%) all deal from moderate to severely less damage than in Brawl without much compensation on their knockback.
  • Nerf Neutral aerial has more landing lag (9 frames → 15 frames).
  • Buff Neutral aerial is 2.5 units larger.
  • Nerf Forward aerial now hits 2 frames slower. It only lasts 3 frames instead of 4 and has doubled landing lag (9 frames → 18 frames). It also can no longer be interruptible at frame 34, meaning Marth can no longer do another aerial after a short hop forward air.
  • Buff Back aerial has slightly less landing lag (21 frames → 19 frames).
  • Nerf Up aerial has more landing lag (9 frames → 16 frames).
  • Buff Down aerial has less landing lag (32 frames → 28 frames).
  • Nerf Down aerial starts at frame 9 instead of 6. Its sweetspot only lasts 1 frame; it no longer meteor smashes unless the tipper hits in the middle of the swing arc, has less base knockback (40 → 20), and the hitboxes that used to meteor now send foes sideways with moderate knockback and deal 1% less damage (14 → 13%). Also, Marth now instead swipes outward from the back instead of his front, essentially flipping its animation around from Melee and Brawl, harming his ability to approach with his down air.

Throws/other attacks

  • Nerf Marth's grab comes out 1 frame later (6 → 7) and has 1 frame more ending lag. It also has less grab range.
  • Nerf All of his setup throws have significantly higher base knockback, which removes most of his follow-up options after a grab.
  • Change Down throw sends foes at an upwards trajectory, which can give some new follow-up options at low percents, but it removes Marth's ability to tech-chase.
  • Buff Up throw has more base knockback (60 → 70).

Special moves

  • Buff Shield Breaker deals less shield damage (42 → 30), however with the removal of damage reduction on shields, it allows the move to break shields more easily. It also now gives Marth a horizontal boost when used in the air, regardless of whether it is charged or not[2], aiding Marth's recovery.
  • Nerf Marth no longer steps an extra distance forward when using the move, and because of the general decrease of his range, the move's range is much shorter.
  • Buff Downward Dancing Blade deals slightly more damage.
  • Nerf Dancing Blade has more ending lag, and the third hit downward no longer meteor smashes. It is also harder to connect each hit together compared to Brawl, due to the fact of each hit having more hitstun and less IASA frames.
  • Nerf Dolphin Slash deals less damage (13% to 11%) making it weaker. A Reversed Dolphin Slash is also slightly harder to hit with and it also no longer has Intangibility on the first 5 frames.
  • Buff Counter has increased growth (40 → 60), being able to KO reliably off of strong countered attacks at very low percentages (having a damage multiplier of 1.2x instead of 1.1x like in Brawl).
  • Change Marth now grunts instead of talking while using Counter.

Update History

Super Smash Bros. 4 1.0.6

  • Buff Jab hit 1 IASA: Frame 29 → Frame 26
  • Buff Forward tilt IASA: Frame 39 → Frame 35
  • Buff Dancing Blade hit 1 IASA: Frame 45 → Frame 42
  • Buff Dancing Blade combos more consistently
  • Buff Down aerial's meteor hitbox has been increased

Super Smash Bros. 4 1.0.8

  • Nerf Jab (hit 1) damage: 4%/6% → 3%/5%
  • Buff Jab (hit 1) angle modified to make it easier to follow up on.
  • Buff Up tilt knockback increased.
  • Buff Up tilt endlag reduced by approximately three frames.
  • Change Up tilt moves Marth very slightly forward when repeated during IASA frames
  • Change Up tilt body hitbox angle more vertical.

Moveset

For simplicity, if, for example, Marth's blade does 4% damage while the tip does 6%, and the attack has no other hitboxes, it is written as 4%/6%.

  Name Damage Description
Neutral attack   3%/5% Slashes Falchion twice in front of himself.
4%/6%
Forward tilt   9%/12% A fast forward leaning Falchion swipe upward.
Up tilt   6% (blade), 5% (body), 9% (tip) Swings Falchion in a large arc above his head, with a large hitbox that can hit enemies behind him.
Down tilt   7%/10% A quick crouching Falchion poke.
Dash attack   10% (blade), 9% (body), 12% (tip) A quick upward sweeping diagonal slash.
Forward smash   13%/18% Rotates body counter-clockwise with a strong arc-like one-handed swing from his head to the ground.
Up smash Justice Sword 3% (ground), 13% (blade), 18% (tip) A quick, direct upward thrust. The weak grounded hit can knock nearby opponents into the main attack.
Down smash   8%/12% (hit 1), 12%/17% (hit 2) Sweeps Falchion on the ground toward the front outward then toward the back inward.
Neutral aerial   2%/3% (hit 1), 6%/8% (hit 2) Two horizontal slashes around himself via in inward slash followed into a full 360 outward spin.
Forward aerial   7%/10% Does a forward vertical slash (up to down).
Back aerial   9%/12% Slashes Falchion from bottom to top behind him in an inward swipe. Has the interesting property of turning Marth around, changing facing direction.
Up aerial   9%/12% A forward to back upward Falchion slash in a delayed somersault.
Down aerial   11% (blade), 13% (non-meteor tip), 14% (meteor tip) A forward to back downward outward slash with Falchion. If the tipper hits in the middle of the swinging arc, it sends opponents downwards, meteor smashing powerfully. Other hitboxes when tipped results in moderate knockback. High ending and landing lag.
Grab   Grabs the enemy with his left hand.
Pummel   2% Knees the enemy.
Forward throw   4% Grabs and pushes forward, tripping with his leg. Can be used to set-up a Crescent Slash from low to mid percentage.
Back throw   4% Turns around and pulls the enemy over his outstretched leg, tripping them.
Up throw   4% Powerful upward throw with one arm. Can KO at very high percentages.
Down throw   5% Throws opponent to the ground with one arm, bouncing them upwards. Primary follow-up throw.
Floor attack (front)   7%
Floor attack (back)   7%
Floor attack (trip)   5%
Edge attack   7%
Neutral special Default Shield Breaker 8%/9% (uncharged), 22%/24% (fully charged) Marth charges up Falchion at chest level before powerfully thrusting it forward. This attack deals high amounts of shield damage.
Custom 1 Storm Thrust 4% (uncharged), 11% (fully charged) The stab produces a blast of wind from the tip, with pushing strength dependent on the charge level. In exchange, the attack is weaker than normal.
Custom 2 Dashing Assault 6%/5%/3% (ground uncharged early/mid/late), 7%/6%/4% (air uncharged early/mid/late), 16%/13%/9% (ground fully charged early/mid/late), 17%/14%/10% (air fully charged early/mid/late) Marth performs a lunging thrust with Falchion. Deals less damage, but propels Marth forwards.
Side special Default Dancing Blade 3%/4% (parts 1-2), 4%/5% (part 3 up/side), 3%/4% (part 3 down), 6%/8% (part 4 up), 5%/7% (part 4 side), 2% (part 4 down hits 1-4), 4%/6% (part 4 hit 5) A sequence of Falchion slashes with several variations based on control stick tilts; If it is tilted up on the final blow, Marth will perform an uppercut with good KO'ing potential. Tilted down: A flurry of stabs that wears down shields. Neutral or side: Produces a strong swing downwards.
Custom 1 Effortless Blade 2%/3% (parts 1-3), 4%/5% (part 4) Makes the hits easier to link, but can only use the side/neutral option. Since Marth swings with less vigor (hence the name), the attack is also weaker.
Custom 2 Heavy Blade 7%/9% (part 1), 9%/11% (part 2), 10%/12% (part 3), 13%/15% (part 4 up), 14%/16% (part 4 side), 2.2% (part 4 down hits 1-4), 11%/13% (part 4 down hit 5) Marth slashes with more force, but the controller input time is stricter and the hits are harder to link.
Up special Default Dolphin Slash 11% (clean), 7% (late blade), 6% (late body) Marth performs a rapid jumping slash that can be reversed. Has a powerful sweetspot located in the first few frames.
Custom 1 Crescent Slash 7% (clean), 12% (late blade), 6% (late body) Marth uses a lower Dolphin Slash that gains more horizontal distance. It gives Marth an access to his only one true follow-up from forward throw and grab release combo against some characters. Using this attack against the ledge enlarges its hitbox. Ideal for interrupting recoveries, gimp, stage-spike, and edgeguarding. However, it has less vertical distance.
Custom 2 Dolphin Jump 0% Jumps higher, deals no damage.
Down special Default Counter 1.2x (min 8%) Marth assumes a defensive stance and retaliates against incoming attacks. The power of the counterattack scales with the strength of the attack blocked.
Custom 1 Easy Counter 0.7x (min 4%) Marth holds his stance longer, and strikes with less power. Has decreased damage scaling, but has a wider trigger window.
Custom 2 Iai Counter 1.3x (min 6%) Marth strikes the opponent while moving behind them at lightning speed. Inflicts more damage, knocks foes behind him, and is much quicker, but the trigger window is stricter.
Final Smash Critical Hit 60% Marth lunges in one direction, attacking the first opponent. Immense knockback, enough to one-hit KO any character.

Victory Fanfare

This victory theme is a small orchestral cover from the title theme of the first Fire Emblem game, which has since become the main theme of the series. It is shared with Ike, Robin, and Lucina.

In Competitive Play

Official Custom Moveset Project

Character Custom sets available
Marth's stock icon in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. Marth 3113 3123 1123 3133 1133
3121 1121 3111 1131 3131

Alternate costumes

Marth Palette (SSB4).png
Marth's stock icon in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. MarthHeadRedSSB4-U.png MarthHeadGreenSSB4-U.png MarthHeadBlackSSB4-U.png MarthHeadWhiteSSB4-U.png MarthHeadBlueSSB4-U.png MarthHeadYellowSSB4-U.png MarthHeadPurpleSSB4-U.png

Trophies

Marth
Ntsc The first hero from the Fire Emblem series, Marth is the prince of Altea and descendant of the hero Anri. In Smash Bros., he's known as an exceptional swordfighter, swinging his blade with grace. Striking with the tip will maximize the damage dealt. Teach aggressive foes a lesson with his strong Counter move.
Pal Marth, the prince of Altea, is the hero of the first ever Fire Emblem game and its remake, Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon. In this game, his graceful sword skills are what set him apart. Strike with the tip of his blade to deal extra damage, and use his Counter skill to defend yourself, no matter which directions you're being attacked from.
NES: Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light (JP)
SNES: Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem (JP)
Marth (Alt.)
Ntsc Marth's side special Dancing Blade is a four-stage attack. Aim and time your strikes carefully! The tip of his sword does the most damage. For his up smash, Justice Sword, he thrusts his blade into the air. You can use it to block attacks from above and launch nearby foes.
Pal Marth's side special, Dancing Blade, is a four-stage attack. Aim and time your strikes carefully! As usual, the tip of his sword does the most damage. For his up smash, Justice Sword, he thrusts his blade into the air. You can use it to block attacks from above, and even to launch nearby enemies off the ground."
NES: Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light (JP)
SNES: Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem (JP)
Critical Hit (Marth)
Ntsc Marth raises his Exalted Falchion to the sky and then rushes forward to deal an incredibly powerful blow, almost certainly KO'ing anyone and everyone who gets hit! When it's used in the air, he'll fly forward a certain distance. On the ground, however, he'll only dash to the edge of the platform he's standing on.
Pal Marth raises his Exalted Falchion to the sky, then rushes forwards to deal an incredibly powerful blow, almost certainly KOing anyone and everyone who gets hit! When used in the air, he'll fly forwards a set distance, but on the ground, he'll only dash up to the edge of the platform he's standing on.

Gallery

Trivia

  • Despite now grunting instead of talking when doing his Counter, he still has his sound effects in his Sound Test.
  • In Roy's trailer, Marth can be heard talking while using Counter, rather than grunting.
  • Marth and Mario are notable for being the first characters to have two clones in one game; Lucina and Roy.

References