User:TheNuttyOne/Challenger Pack Concepts

May as well jot down some of the things I'd like to see in DLC for Smash Ultimate since basically none of it stands a chance.

Fighter	Stage	Universe	Spirits	Mii Fighter Costumes
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Edelgard	Red Canyon	Fire Emblem	Edelgard (Princess) Edelgard (Emperor) Dimitri (Prince) Dimitri (King) Claude (Heir) Claude (Leader) Byleth Sothis Rhea Black Eagles Blue Lions Golden Deer Death Knight	Navarre Wig (headgear) Navarre Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Celica Wig (headgear) Celica Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Lyn Wig (headgear) Lyn Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Death Knight Helm (headgear) Death Knight's Armor (Mii Swordfighter)
I know a lot of people have been saying Byleth for a Three Houses rep, but I'd still much rather see Edelgard. Byleth would just be a Marth/Simon mix, while Edelgard would actually represent one of the many weapons in Fire Emblem that's not a sword. I'd like to see her pre- and post-timeskip designs as alternate costumes, like Ike. The Dimitri (Prince) and Claude (Heir) Spirits can be enhanced into their King and Leader versions. I think the Red Canyon would work best as a stage; I'm picturing it as looking somewhat similar to the Find Mii stage. Maybe a Demonic Beast could appear as some sort of a hazard. (Fun fact: it would be only the second Fire Emblem stage to be based on a specific location!)
Geno	Forest Maze	Mario	Geno (Fighter) Smithy Exor Croco Belome Booster Valentina Axem Rangers Mario's Party	Geno Hat (headgear) Geno Outfit (Mii Gunner) Terrapin Helm (headgear) Terrapin Armor (Mii Brawler) Axem Ranger Helm (headgear) Axem Ranger Armor (Mii Swordfighter) Mallow Hat (headgear) Chocobo Hat (headgear)
...I mean, yeah. Not much to say here. I'm still really surprised that he wasn't in the base game, since Sakurai knows he's popular and has expressed interest in including him since Brawl. I actually had a harder time than I expected picking out the Spirits and Mii Fighter costumes. The Axem Ranger costume would change colors and slightly change appearance based on the Mii's favorite color, defaulting to red if the Mii's color doesn't line up with one of the Rangers. Forest Maze has been my go-to for a Super Mario RPG stage since forever; I think it would work really well.
Veronica	Aether Keep	Fire Emblem	Veronica Alfonse Sharena Anna Fjorm Eir Bruno Surtr Hel Lif Thrasir	Veronica Wig (headgear) Veronica Outfit (Mii Gunner) Alfonse Wig (headgear) Alfonse Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Bruno's Mask (headgear) Marth's Mask (headgear) Feh Doll (headgear) Head Orb (headgear)
Okay, so this is extremely a longshot and honestly even I don't want it to happen, but I still thought it'd be fun to think about. I think Veronica and Anna are the best representatives for Heroes, since Alfonse would be way too similar to Marth and Sharena is a very secondary character (granted, so is Anna, but at least she's recognizable as an almost-mascot for Fire Emblem as a whole). Since Veronica was the original mascot and has kept up more-or-less of a presence since, I went with her. She'd be quite a bit different from Robin due to her stature and lack of a sword. Her specials would require some messing with her skills; I could see Savage Blow as a neutral special with a shockwave that increases in size the longer it's charged, while Reprisal could be the Fire Emblem-typical counterattack. She could steal Flashing Blade from her dead counterpart for her up special, warping a la Fox Illusion, while her side special could be inspired by Elivagar's secondary effect and have a Disable-like beam that drastically slows opponents caught for a couple seconds. The Aether Keep stage would be based on Aether Raids' icon; a simple floating island, roughly the size of Battlefield, with an Aether Fountain in the middle.
Cucco	Tower of Hera	The Legend of Zelda	Cucco (Fighter) Old Man King Rhoam Sahasrahla Link's Uncle Gulley Seres Osfala Irene Oren Rosso Impa (A Link Between Worlds) Seven Sages	Impa Wig (Headgear) Impa Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Ganondorf Wig (Headgear) Ganondorf Outfit (Mii Brawler) Dark Link Mask (Headgear) Dark Link Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Sheik Outfit (Mii Brawler) Keaton Mask (Headgear)
Probably the only character that could get me as hyped as Piranha Plant (no, I do not mean that ironically). Realistically, never going to happen, nor should it, but I think it would be hilarious and I would love to play as a Cucco. Frankly, this may be the Zelda franchise's only shot at a non-Echo newcomer. And the Final Smash creates itself. (The rest of the moveset less so, but hey, Piranha Plant got in.) I think Tower of Hera would also be a great way to represent the classic Zelda games, as well as the game Cuccos originate from -- it would take place in a room of the tower with hazards represnting some of the hazards you encounter in A Link to the Past (and potentially Between Worlds), such as Blade Traps, Bumpers, Flying Tiles, Fire Bars, and perhaps even enemies like Stalfos and Mini-Moldorms. The Old Man spirit would have his artwork from the original The Legend of Zelda, but it would still be evolved into King Rhoam. The Seven Sages spirit would consist of the sages from Ocarina of Time.
King Boo	The Last Resort	Mario	King Boo (Fighter) King Boo (Mario Kart: Double Dash!!) Goob Hammer (Luigi's Mansion) Steward King MacFrights Poltergust G-00 King Boo's Gallery Gooigi Hellen Gravely Boolossus The Last Resort	Boo Hat (Headgear) Luigi Outfit (Mii Brawler) E. Gadd Wig (Headgear) E. Gadd Outfit (Mii Gunner) Hellen Gravely Wig (Headgear) Hellen Gravely Outfit (Mii Gunner) Bowser Mask (Headgear) Bowser Suit (Mii Brawler)
Honestly mostly just to fix the rather peculiar absence of Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits (especially the Poltergust G-00???), but I do also think King Boo would be a neat fighter. He's a fixture in a number of Mario spin-offs like Mario Kart while also adding some much-needed representation for, obviously, Luigi's Mansion, especially as that spin-off series grows. Half of his costumes would show his Mario series appearance, while his Luigi's Mansion appearance would be the default. He would function as a large, floaty lightweight like Rosalina and I could see him having a counterattack-like move where he scares the opponent, paralyzing them and giving him a chance to retaliate, as well as other moves based on his boss fights in Dark Moon and 3. His Final Smash could summon either Boolossus or the Bowser suit from the first game. The Last Resort could either be a simple stage taking place on the roof, or (what I would prefer) a teleporting stage, stopping on several floors.
Impostor	The Skeld	Among Us	Impostor (Fighter) Crewmate Ghost (Among Us) Vent Emergency Button The Skeld Mira HQ Polus Fortegreen	Crewmate Hat (Headgear) Crewmate Suit (Mii Gunner) Crewmate Suit (Mii Swordfighter) Crewmate Suit (Mii Brawler)
There is zero chance that Nintendo would add a fighter based on a fad indie game that's likely to die soon, but I saw a concept for an Impostor fighter and tweaked it to make it my own and now I really just like it, so here we are. Impostor would uniquely get stat boosts based on "not exposing itself" and killing as many people as possible. At the beginning of a match, Impostor has a damage modifier that makes it harder to kill (whether by knockback or in a Stamina match). Its non-special moves are designed towards racking up damage and are bad at actually killing, while its neutral special (a gun), side special (the tongue kill animation, functioning similarly to Piranha Plant's down special), and down special (the seismic sensors sabotage, which creates an earthquake that launches foes) have really good launch power. However, once it uses its special moves (including its up special, Vent, which is a long-range teleportation that does no damage but is really good for recovering), it is "exposed" as an Impostor and its damage modifier goes away, making it easier to kill. If it manages to kill an opponent, its attack and speed are increased slightly, which stacks with each kill. If the Impostor is killed, it starts its next stock how it began the match (with no kill boosts but the damage modifier). This allows the Impostor to benefit regardless of how many opponents or stocks the match has. In a one-stock 1v1, the Impostor can just rack up damage and then land a kill with a special move. Against multiple fighters and/or with multiple stocks, the Impostor wants to get as many kills as possible to stack its stats. Lastly, the introduction tagline would be "Impostor is Among Us!" (duh) and the reveal trailer would be a recreation of Ridley's except when Samus turns around it's the Impostor and she's just left confused until it launches her.
Impa	Akkala Citadel	Zelda	Impa (Fighter) Terrako Hestu Master Kohga Purah Robbie Sidon Yunobo Teba Riju Great Fairies Astor Harbinger Ganon	Urbosa Wig (Headgear) Urbosa Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Monk Hat (Headgear) Monk Outfit (Mii Brawler) Scholar Princess Wig (Headgear) Scholar Princess Outfit (Mii Gunner) Goron Mask (Headgear) Goron Suit (Mii Brawler)
Age of Calamity is Impa's best chance to finally be a fighter, as a semi(?)-canon game that actually gives her moveset potential beyond generic ninja powers that would just make her into a Sheik echo. Her moveset could be unique like Min Min's, where the neutral attack button is weak attacks and the special attack button is strong attacks, allowing her to perform Warriors-inspired combos. I also think her unique symbol power would translate well to Smash. I was a little stuck on a stage since the game uses the same Hyrule as Breath of the Wild, but I think Akkala Citadel is a decently plot-important location that, since it's undestroyed in Age of Calamity, serves as a good representation of the game's unique take on Hyrule.
Toadette / Peachette	Mushroom Ruins	Mario	Toadette (Fighter) Toadette (Explorer) (Fighter) Peachette (Fighter) Waddlewing Mole (Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker) Bubble Baby Yoshi Balloon Baby Yoshi Glowing Baby Yoshi Super Acorn Super Crown Wingo Toad Brigade Boss Sumo Bro. Draggadon	Mushroom Headlamp (Headgear) Captain Toad Outfit (Mii Swordfighter) Toadette Wig (Headgear) Toadette Outfit (Mii Brawler) Draggadon Hat (Headgear) Wingo's Turban (Headgear) Bowser Mask (Headgear) Bowser Suit (Mii Brawler)
This is the worst idea possible but hey here we are. Basically, Toadette's moveset would be based on Captain Toad and the New Super Mario Bros. games, but she can also transform into Peachette with her neutral special, who works like a weaker Peach clone. The transformation period would, ideally, be faster than Zelda/Sheik and Pokemon Trainer, encouraging rapid switching between them for combos. (Obviously there's processing issues to take into account, but hey all of this is typing anyway so who cares). The whole inspiration is theorycrafts I remember for Bowser Jr. pre-SSB4 where he was a Bowser semi-clone that could transform into a Mario semi-clone (Shadow Mario); I think having a definitively worse version of a character with the added gimmick of an additional moveset is decently cool, if a touch impractical.

Spirit Battles

Spirit			Battle parameters
Name	Enemy Fighter(s)	Type	Stage	Conditions
Dimitri (Prince) ★	•Marth •Ike		Castle Siege (first stop)	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle
Claude (Heir) ★	•Dark Pit •Robin		Arena Ferox	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle
Byleth ★★	•Corrin (x2) (, )		Castle Siege (Omega form)	•The enemy's melee weapons have increased power.
Sothis ★★★	•Wendy		Hyrule Castle (no hazards)	•The floor is sleep-inducing.
Rhea ★★★	•Lucina •Ridley		Find Mii (Omega form)	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd. •The enemy is giant (Ridley).
Black Eagles ★★★★	•Robin •Palutena •Roy •Inkling •Little Mac •Lucina •Robin		Coliseum	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Blue Lions ★★★★	•Ike •Chrom •Peach •Corrin •Robin •Cloud •Lucina		Coliseum	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Golden Deer ★★★★	•Robin •Marth •King K. Rool •Isabelle •Inkling •Zelda •Daisy		Coliseum	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Death Knight ★★★	•Ike •Edelgard (Empress outfit)		Castle Siege (cavern)	•Hostile assist trophies will appear (Black Knight).
Smithy ★★	•King Dedede		Midgar (Battlefield form)	•The enemy is metal.
Exor ★★★	•Marth		Hyrule Castle (no hazards)	•Stamina battle. •The enemy is giant. •The enemy is invisible. •The enemy has super armor but moves slower. •The enemy starts the battle with an enhanced Killing Edge.
Croco ★	•Yoshi		Mushroomy Kingdom	•The enemy tends to avoid conflict. •The enemy is easily distracted by items. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Transformation).
Belome ★	•Kirby		Mushroomy Kingdom (Omega form)	•The floor is sleep-inducing. •The enemy is giant. •The enemy favors neutral specials.
Booster ★	•Wario •Ally: Peach		Peach's Castle	•You lose if your CPU ally is KO'd. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Bob-ombs). •The enemy is easily distracted by items.
Valentina ★★	•Palutena •Falco		Palutena's Temple (Battlefield form)	•You are golden. •The enemy (Falco) is giant. •Defeat the main fighter to win.
Axem Rangers ★★★	•Mario •Captain Falcon •Robin •Peach •Bowser		Rainbow Cruise (ship only)	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Mario's Party ★★★★	•Mario •Robin •Geno (default) •Bowser •Peach		Princess Peach's Castle (hazards off)	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Alfonse ★	•Marth		Coliseum	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Sharena ★	•Lucina		Aether Keep	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Anna ★★	•Robin (x5)		Coliseum	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Fjorm ★★	•Isabelle		Summit (hazards off)	•The floor is frozen.
Eir ★★	•Zero Suit Samus		Reset Bomb Forest (second form)	•The enemy heals over time.
Bruno ★★★	•Captain Falcon •Veronica		Castle Siege (hazards off)	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Surtr ★★★★	•Giant Ganondorf •Lucina x2 (, )		Norfair (Omega form)	•Defeat the main fighter to win. •The enemy will occasionally be invincible. •The enemy has super armor but moves slower. •You'll occasionally take sudden damage.
Hel ★★★★	•Palutena		Dracula's Castle (Battlefield form)	•Stamina battle. •The enemy reflects projectiles. •The enemy has an extra midair jump. •The enemy will suddenly have a Final Smash. •The enemy heals when at critical damage.
Lif ★★★	•Ike		Castle Siege (second form)	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Thrasir ★★★	•Zero Suit Samus		Castle Siege (third form)	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Old Man ★	•Robin		Spear Pillar (Omega form)	•The enemy favors side specials. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Killing Edges).
Sahasrahla ★	•Zelda x6 () •Ganondorf		Tower of Hera	•Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
Link's Uncle ★	•Mario		Hyrule Castle	•The enemy starts the battle with a Killing Edge.
Gulley ★★	•Lucas		Dracula's Castle	•The enemy starts the battle with a Bob-Omb.
Seres ★★★	•Zelda •Robin •Villager •Link		Garreg Mach Monastery (Cathedral form)	•Defeat the main fighter to win. •The enemy tends to avoid conflict.
Osfala ★★★	•Richter		Coliseum	•Take your strongest team into this no-frills battle.
Irene ★★	•Daisy		Gerudo Valley (hazards off)	•The enemy prefers to stay in the air.
Oren ★★	•Palutena •Squirtle (x2)		Great Bay	•The enemy is giant after a while. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Steel Divers).
Rosso ★★	•Incineroar		Summit (hazards off)	•The enemy has super armor but moves slower. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Freezies).
Impa (A Link Between Worlds) ★★★	•Sheik		Hyrule Castle	•The enemy has increased move speed when the enemy's at high damage. •Certain items will appear in large numbers (Deku Nuts).
Seven Sages ★★★★	•Ganondorf •Isabelle •Donkey Kong •Peach •Sheik