User:TheNuttyOne/Smash 5 Prediction!

Well, we know the entire roster for Smash 4, so predictions for that are pointless- and it's never too early, right? :P

You can make edits to your prediction until the first Smash 5 character is confirmed (which may be a very long time, obviously). This should help pass the time though!

You can mostly use anything- a table, an image, or even just a dotted list. If you choose to use an image, make it a clear image so that it's easy to tell which character is which, and also include the names of each character somewhere on the roster.

Make a header with your username when you add your prediction, and... well, have fun! :P

Rules

1. There can be no more than 80 characters on your roster.
   • If you wish to bring back transformations, they only count as one character.
2. Characters must be featured mainly in video games. This does not mean video games based off of TV or movies, rather TV or movies based off of video games. (So Ash Ketchum would be acceptable, but Mickey Mouse would not.)
3. No more than 10 veterans may be cut.
   • Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Lucas, Wolf, Roy, etc. do not count against this.
4. Be creative and have fun!

Scoring System

• Correct Newcomer Prediction - 10 points. A correct newcomer prediction is when a newcomer on your prediction roster is confirmed to be in the game. Pretty straightforward.
• Correct Veteran Prediction - 5 points. Like the above, but with veterans. Since it's pretty easy to predict this (I'm pretty sure Mario will return), it doesn't have as high a score as a correct newcomer prediction.
• Semi-Correct Prediction - 3 points. This is when you predict a transformation character or a team character, but only one of them appear. (i.e. you predict Zelda/Sheik, but only Sheik is confirmed). You get the three points for each character (meaning if you predict Pokemon Trainer with Greninja, Chespin, and Braixen and they all appear separately, you get 9 points.) However, there is no penalty if only part of the character is confirmed (only Greninja appears, not Chespin and Braixen), you just only get 3 points. This same rule applies to if you predict two characters separately but they are confirmed as transformations or a team, even if you only guessed one of the characters. If you predict a team character and only one of them appears with the other as a costume (like Popo with Nana as a costume instead of Popo & Nana as the Ice Climbers), you do not get 6 points, only 3. If you guess a character as a costume but they are confirmed as a separate character (i.e. Daisy as a Peach costume), you do not get any bonus points and are charged with a missing prediction.
  • If you guess a costume and the costume is not included, there is no penalty. The same applies to if a costume appears that was not guessed. The costumes are solely for fun.
• Incorrect Prediction - Minus 5 points. This is when a character on your roster is confirmed to not be in the game. Like how Chrom was highly speculated in Smash 4 but was confirmed to not be playable in the Lucina/Robin reveal trailer. Or how Ashley was confirmed to be an Assist Trophy. Those characters would have gotten you 5 points removed.
• Missing Prediction - Minus 3 points. This is when a character is confirmed that wasn't on your roster (like how no one could've guessed Wii Fit Trainer (yet oddly everyone predicted Duck Hunt)). Since Sakurai often picks characters no one expected (Ice Climbers, R.O.B., WFT), it's reasonable for this to be slightly less of a deduction than the incorrect prediction.

When SSB5 is released and all of the characters are confirmed, everyone's score will be added up and the winner will win... um, something. I'll decide that later. And if I win... well, I can't really give myself a prize, so that just means everyone loses I guess. Sigh.

moved to User talk:Nutta Butta/Smash 5 Prediction!

Roster Predictions

Nutta's Prediction

Welp, here we go! Now for some explanations because I'm bored.

• I did not add any Mario characters because, despite being the biggest and the mascot Nintendo series, they are way over-represented, with seven characters. EDIT: Added Paper Mario as a new Mario representative.
  • The DK, Yoshi, and Wario universes did not get any extra representatives because they are only barely separate from the Mario universe. EDIT: Added Dixie Kong as a newcomer, kinda serves as a newcomer for all four. EDIT: Also added Kamek as a villain representative for Yoshi. Besides Baby Mario & Baby Luigi (who I've considered as a tag-team), Kamek is the most important non-Yoshi in the series.
• I brought back the Ice Climbers because Sakurai cut them just because of them breaking the 3DS version. Since he likes his random characters, he'd probably bring them back once he's able to.
• I added Inkling because I think Splatoon! will be a pretty popular game, and its characters are really cool. I actually have an ink system worked out for him, but I won't go into to much detail.
• Yuga joins the Zelda series, mostly to even it out with the Mario and Pokemon games a little. EDIT: Replaced Yuga with Midna, a much more popular and highly requested character. EDIT: Replaced Midna with Skull Kid, another popular and highly-requested character who is also a villain, which would be nice to have. ...I really hate Ghirahim, btw. EDIT: Added Tingle. Mario got two non-clone newcomers in Smash 4, so it's not unreasonable. Plus, while Mario/Pokemon/Zelda have always been around equal in representation, Zelda is falling behind now... two newcomers brings them back to equal. EDIT: Removed Tingle, since Ravio fills the extra Zelda slot (I forgot about him earlier).
• Krystal is added due to the fact that, alongside random characters, Sakurai also likes adding requested characters. Like King Dedede in Brawl and Mega Man in Smash 4. Also, she's a nice unique face for the Star Fox series, and would use her staff.
• I added Ridley too, because of the same reason as Krystal (and because I really wanted the roster to be even). I've seen images of him in Brawl at the same size as Bowser and Charizard, and it wasn't entirely ridiculous. Although I still doubt he'll get in, he would make an okay addition. Removed Ridley.
• Balloon Fighter joins as a new retro and random representative (heh heh, alliteration)
• Dillon because he was highly-requested and for an eShop representative.
• Waddle Dee because I think Sakurai will favor the Kirby series a little, since he favored the Kid Icarus in Smash 4. EDIT: Also added Prince Fluff, since besides Kirby, all of the current representatives are villains. EDIT: Removed Prince Fluff.
• Chorus Kids for a second random character (we had both WFT and Duck Hunt, right?) EDIT: Cut Chorus Kids. Actually, I think most attempts at a random character will probably end it failure. I think getting the 3 point deduction would be better xD EDIT: Brought them back.
• Mewtwo returns for Pokemon- however, he's likely going to be replaced by a Gen VII newcomer once I have an idea of who they are. Maybe even Gen VIII. EDIT: Due to Mewtwo being confirmed for DLC in SSB4, I think he's likely to return in SSB5 as non-DLC. As such, Greninja will now be replaced by a Gen VII/VIII Pokemon. EDIT: Added an extra spot specifically for a Pokemon newcomer, and all other characters will stick around.
• Mallo is another eShop representative. And possibly a random character. In my opinion, he deserves it, but I'm sure someone disagrees. EDIT: Due to lack of a moveset, cut Mallo.
• Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina return. Try as I might I couldn't come up with a fourth clone (which is why I added Ridley). I considered Jolteon, Blood Falcon, and Dark Link, but none of them seemed like they would make the cut. But, I think Sakurai will keep clones in. Personally, I like them. EDIT: Eventually decided on Ravio as a Link clone. He would fight using a wooden sword, which isn't as strong as Link's, but some of his moves have different effects- for example, his up special could use the Fire, Ice, and Sand Rods (switching through in that order), with the Fire having a fiery effect and having slightly more range, the Ice freezing opponents at high damages, and the Sand doing the most damage with no side effects. EDIT: Alongside updating Ravio's image, I removed Dark Pit because he wasn't accepted very well, while Dr. Mario and Lucina were (except for the people who just all-out hate clones). EDIT: Due to Sakurai's obsession with Kid Icarus, I brought back Dark Pit. EDIT: Added Blood Falcon as a fifth clone, because I needed another slot. EDIT: Removed Blood Falcon.
• Bomberman joins as a new third-party representative. He seemed like he fit the best, although he only beat out Maxwell and Professor Layton because he was the only one with 3D artwork (and I'm a stickler about things matching). EDIT: Due to Rayman's feature as a trophy, I think it's likely that he'll be a third party, not Bomberman. Still want Layton and Maxwell though :(
• EDIT: Added Viridi as a Kid Icarus newcomer, since she and Hades seem to be the most requested, and also because Sakurai is obsessed with KI and will probably add someone new.
• EDIT: Added the Pikmin Captains as a Pikmin newcomer. It's kinda a tag-team with Alph and Brittany/Alph and Charlie/Brittany and Charlie (with costumes switching them out). Semi-clone of Olimar, with the second captain acting like a Luma, to an extent.
• EDIT: Added a Fire Emblem spot for a character from the next game. We've always gotten a character from a recent game. So I'm sure the pattern will keep up.
• EDIT: Added Isaac from Golden Sun. ...Mostly because there aren't any non-retro universes without representatives except Golden Sun, Starfy, and Rhythm Heaven.
• EDIT: Added Takamaru, since he's no longer Japan-exclusive.
• EDIT: Added Chibi-Robo. Now I have three new non-retro universes without previous representation!
• EDIT: Added Tempo as another eShop representative. He's better than Mallo, but only barely.
• EDIT: Added the currently unnamed protagonist of Xenoblade X as a secondary Xenoblade representative. I think he/she'll be somewhat like Lucas, and would probably get cut in Smash 6 (if there are going to be more than five games :P), but would have several similarities to Shulk... except I don't think the Monado is returning... I dunno. Either way, I think this character will appear, whoever they are. Maybe even as a Shulk replacement...
• EDIT: A list of cut veterans: Duck Hunt and R.O.B.. I cut Duck Hunt because I needed an extra spot for Dixie Kong, and Duck Hunt was probably the dumbest character in the game (although I'm pretty good at him). I didn't actually mean to cut ROB, but he's a very random character and I have quite a few on the roster already, so cutting two of the random veterans wasn't an entirely bad thing. EDIT: Added back ROB, since he's been in two games and last time that happened it made lots of people upset, including people who thought they were ridiculous randoms. As mentioned above, Greninja will also likely be cut to be replaced by a Generation VII or Generation VIII newcomer.

So there you go. Feel free to add your own now. :)

Rtzxy's Prediction

Characters from Returning Series

Blue text detonates a newcomer.
File:MarioSymbol.png	Mario	Luigi	Peach/Daisy	Bowser	Rosalina & Luma	Waluigi
File:WarioSymbol.png	Wario	File:YoshiSymbol.png	Yoshi	File:IceClimbersSymbol.png	Ice Climbers
File:DKSymbol.png	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong	Dixie Kong	File:PunchOutSymbol.png	Little Mac
File:ZeldaSymbol.png	Link	Zelda	Sheik	Ganondorf	Toon Link	Midna	Ghirahim
File:KirbySymbol.png	Kirby	King Dedede	Meta Knight	Magalor (maybe)	File:AnimalCrossingSymbol.png	Villager
File:PokemonSymbol.png	Pikachu	Jigglypuff	Lucario	Charizard	Greninja	Mewtwo
File:KidIcarusSymbol.png	Pit/Dark Pit	Palutena	File:StarFoxSymbol.png	Fox	Falco
File:EarthboundSymbol.png	Ness	File:MetroidSymbol.png	Samus	Zero Suit Samus	File:PikminSymbol.png	Olimar/Alph
File:FireEmblemSymbol.png	Ike	Marth/Lucina	Robin	File:FZeroSymbol.png	Captain Falcon
File:Game&WatchSymbol.png	Mr. Game & Watch	File:SonicSymbol.png	Sonic	Tails (maybe)	File:MegaManSymbol.png	Mega Man
File:PacManSymbol.png	Pac-Man	File:XenobladeSymbol.png	Shulk	File:SmashBrosSymbol.png	Mii Fighters

Notes

• Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, and Dr. Mario are cut.
• Mewtwo and Ice Climbers return.
• Lucina and Dark Pit will be demoted to costumes of Marth and Pit, respectively.
• Alph returns as a palette swap of Olimar, and Daisy becomes a palette swap of Peach.
• Waluigi, Dixie Kong, either Midna or Ghirahim, and maybe Magalor and Tails are newcomers.

Characters from New Series

• Inkling (Splatoon)
  • A Splatoon Inkling has a pretty good chance in being in Smash 5 or 6, as I believe Splatoon is going to be a (relatively) well-selling game, and a representative would be nice.
• Rayman (Rayman series)
  • If he can appear as a trophy in Smash 4, why not as a playable character in Smash 5 or 6?
• Tempo (HarmoKnight)
  • Because why not? He seems like a good fighter choice, plus I played and enjoyed the game he's from, so, he's gonna be in Smash 5 or 6.
• Balloon Fight (Balloon Fight)
  • A rumor stating that he was supposed to be in Smash 64 circulated, plus, we got Bowser Jr., so…

incomplete
Rtzxy Smashing!

PikaSamus' prediction

Incomplete

• A row with a pink background means that the character is no longer on my list.
• A row with a light blue background means that I doubt the character's chances.

Veterans

I may be missing some.

Character	Series	Past Entries
Mario	Mario
Luigi	Mario
Peach	Mario
Bowser	Mario
Dr. Mario	Mario
Rosalina & Luma	Mario
Bowser Jr.	Mario
Yoshi	Yoshi
Donkey Kong	Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong	Donkey Kong
Pikachu	Pokémon
Jigglypuff	Pokémon
Pichu	Pokémon
Mewtwo	Pokémon
Charizard	Pokémon
Lucario	Pokémon
Greninja	Pokémon
Samus	Metroid
Fox	Star Fox
Falco	Star Fox
Wolf	Star Fox
Kirby	Kirby
King Dedede	Kirby
Meta Knight	Kirby
Link	The Legend of Zelda
Zelda	The Legend of Zelda
Sheik	The Legend of Zelda
Ganondorf	The Legend of Zelda
Captain Falcon	F-Zero
Ness	EarthBound
Lucas	EarthBound
Ice Climbers	Ice Climber
Marth	Fire Emblem
Ike	Fire Emblem
Robin	Fire Emblem
Lucina	Fire Emblem
Mr. Game & Watch	Game & Watch
Wario	Wario
Pit	Kid Icarus
Palutena	Kid Icarus
Dark Pit	Kid Icarus
Olimar	Pikmin
R.O.B.	R.O.B.
Wii Fit Trainer	Wii Fit
Shulk	Xenoblade
Mii Fighters	Super Smash Bros.
Sonic	Sonic
Snake	Metal Gear
Mega Man	Mega Man
PAC-MAN	PAC-MAN

Newcomers

Character	Series	Notes
Gen. VII or VIII rep.	Pokémon	Depends on which is newer at the time.
Ridley	Metroid	The argument "Ridley is too big" is the dumbest thing.
Slippy	Star Fox	I feel that Slippy is more important than Krystal or Peppy.
Agnès	Bravely	Bravely Default is pretty much a Nintendo game outside of Japan, with Nintendo publishing it. She has also been confirmed to be in Bravely Second, but I don't know what role she has, as I don't know Japanese.

Laikue's prediction

Reasoning

(Blue/Green are Vet/Newcomer starters and Red/Yellow are Vet/Newcomer unlockables)

So, yeah, this list is a best case scenario. But, I'm pretty sure it can be pulled off, we got 19 newcomers in Brawl, with SIX (possibly seven) scrapped characters, 3 of which were veterans, with only one planned cut (Pichu, Young Link doesn't count) and we know that they spent way too much time on the Story mode, which is gonezo. And in Smash 4, we got 18 characters that weren't in brawl, as well as eight additional special moves for each character, all of this, and they were hampered by developing two different games one of which with much stricter limitations than the other, so I honestly believe that they will be able to add 21 characters with no cuts in the fifth game. It's optimistic, but this is my prediction, not yours. Anyway, for the character choices themselves, Captain Toad is pretty obvious since Toad has always been a big part of the Mario series, and they're really pumping him lately. Dixie Kong because Donkey Kong really deserves another rep and she's the best choice (Even if I would prefer K. Rool). King Hippo, because I believe that Punch-Out is popular enough and should really have a second rep, and King Hippo is the only one that has potential to be a full character that wouldn't be a full clone, plus he's probably the most popular opponent from the games. Impa, Zelda hasn't gained a rep since Melee (Toon Link is Young Link, people.) and that is not a good thing, I chose Impa over the other potential characters (Ghirahim, Midna, Skull Kid, etc.) because she has appeared in more Zelda games than any other potential character from the series, plus she has a nice potential moveset from OoT and HW. I can also see Vaati here, but I feel like Impa has a better chance. Ridley, *Insert one of hundreds of pro-Ridley arguments here*. Wolf, of all the cut characters who didn't come back in SSB4, he was the least just (Icies and Snake are more justified due to technical limitations and Konami's distance), so I think he is going to come back. I'm also think he was going to come back in SSB4, but was cut due to time constraints. Waddle Dee, Spear Wielder (a series first) + Unique moveset (that pretty much has written itself) + popular character = Great character with high potential. Lucas, I don't think any series should drop in reps. Ever. Plus his normals are a lot better than Ness's. Xenoblade X protagonist, This is going to be a big money maker for Nintendo, so I don't see why they wouldn't put them in, even if we don't know much about it yet. Mach Rider, Retro rep, Snake 2.0 essentially, I think she(?)'d work well. Ice Climbers, cut due to limitations that won't exist if (as predicted) there is only one version of the game, so I think they'll be back. I'll finish this later. But know that the Black Knight is actually Shovel Knight and the shadowed Mii is a Sorcerer.

Squirtle's little prediction section

Nobody gets my title. Except maybe rtzxy and poweron

No chart. I don't do charts. If you can make a chart, and the fact that I don't have a chart is bugging you, go ahead and make this a chart, as long as you don't change my predictions.

Veterans

• Mario.
• Luigi.
• Peach.
• Bowser.
• Link.
• Toon link.
• Ganondorf.
• Donkey Kong.
• Diddy Kong.
• Mega Man.
• Pit.
• Dr. Mario.
• Sonic.
• Palutena.
• Mewtwo.
• Lucario.
• Wario.
• Ness.
• Lucas.
• Pikachu.
• Jigglypuff.
• Yoshi.
• Captain falcon.
• Robin.
• Ike.
• Marth.
• Ice climbers
• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede
• Samus
• Olimar
• Fox
• Falco
• Shulk (he's really feeling it!)
• Master Hand (Via glitch)

Newcomers.

• Adelaine (the painter lady from kirby 64)
• Inkling
• Layton
• shadow

that's all for now.

Littlesquirtle, an average user who doesn't like his signature. (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2014 (EST)

SmashBros's Predictions

No charts for me. I don't do charts, okay? Too much work. :P So here it goes.

Veterans

Mario Series

• Mario
• Luigi
• Dr. Mario
• Peach
• Bowser
• Rosalina & Luma
• Bowser Jr.

Donkey Kong Series

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong

Legend of Zelda Series

• Link
• Zelda
• Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Toon Link

Metroid Series

• Samus
• Zero Suit Samus

Kirby Series

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede

Star Fox Series

• Fox
• Falco
• Wolf

Pokémon Series

• Pikachu
• Charizard
• Lucario
• Greninja
• Mewtwo
• Jigglypuff

Mother Series

• Ness
• Lucas

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• Robin

Kid Icarus Series

• Pit
• Palutena
• Dark Pit

Single Representative's Series

• Yoshi
• Wario
• Captain Falcon
• Mr. Game & Watch
• Olimar
• Villager
• Shulk
• Little Mac
• R.O.B.
• Sonic
• Mega Man
• Pac-Man
• Mii Fighter
• Ice Climbers

Newcomers

This ain't gonna be organized, so be prepared.

• Dixie Kong
• Skull Kid
• Waddle Dee
• Midna
• Ridley
• Kamek [Yoshi series, not Mario]
• Isaac
• Chrom
• Viridi
• Yveltal
• Waluigi [Wario series, not Mario]
• Chibi-Robo
• Layton
• Lyn

I'm leaving this incomplete just for a little bit, okay? SmashBros (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Aidanzapunk's Predictions

Alright, here goes nothing.

Cut Characters

• Dark Pit: Let's face it, no one really likes him.
• Bowser Jr.: Eh...I dunno, there's just...something about him that I...just don't like...
• Wii Fit Trainer: This one was an out-of-left-field pick.
• Villager: Same as above.

Newcomers

• Professor Layton: This guy needs to be in. You could do so much with him. And he's had a lot of history with Nintendo.
• Edward Elric: For those who don't know, he's from the anime Fullmetal Alchemist. Similar to Layton, you could do so much with him. (Yea, I know, this'll never happen, but I can dream, can't I?)
• Shadow the Hedgehog: For the record, he would NOT be a Sonic clone.
• Krystal: She wouldn't be a Fox clone. ...Maybe a Palutena one. I dunno.
• Inkling: Because why the hell not.

Previously Cut Veterans

• Lucas: I do miss the poor guy...
• Ice Climbers: If there's anyone I miss more than Lucas, it's them.
• Snake: I swear, if he doesn't come back as DLC, then he should come back in Smash 5.
• Wolf: Honestly, he's less of a clone of Fox than Luigi is of Mario. Sure, he can go fuck himself, but still.

Dunno about stages.

-Aidan the Gamer 11:16, 18 November 2014 (EST)

TheMasterHand's Probable Prediction

Cut Characters

Wii Fit Trainer Robin Zero Suit Samus

Newcomers

• Fawful
• Chesnaught
• Sceptile
• Waluigi (NOTE: Would be in the WarioWare Series)
• Daisy
• Ashley
• Kat and Anna
• Jimmy T
• Baby Mario (NOTE: Alternate costumes would be based on other Star Children:Baby Luigi, Baby Bowser, etc.)
• Kamek
• Giga Bowser (NOTE: Would be a bit smaller)
• Knuckles
• Shadow

Clone Newcomers

• Masked Dedede (Clone of King Dedede)
• Dark Meta Knight (Clone of Meta Knight)
• Dark Samus (Clone of Samus)
• Mr. L (Semi-Clone of Luigi)
• Metal Mario (Semi-Clone of Mario)
• Dixie Kong (Clone of Diddy Kong)
• Ms. Pac-Man (Semi-Clone of Pac-Man)
• Tails (Semi-Clone of Sonic)

Stages

• Battlefield
• Final Destination
• New Super Mario Bros Wii Stage
• Luigi's Dreams
• Ashley's Mansion
• Kirby Triple Deluxe Stage
• DK Country 3-D Stage
• Tip Of The IceBerg
• Pong
• Starfox 64 3-D Stage
• Pokemon Stadium X
• G&W: Ball
• Super Mario Bros 2
• Hyrule Castle 2
• Kalos Pokemon League
• Neo Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze Stage

Familiar Stages

• Kongo Jungle (SSB64)
• New Super Mario Bros U (SSBU)
• Peach's Castle (SSBM)
• F-Zero (SSBM)
• Luigi's Mansion (SSBB)
• Super Mario 3-D Land (SSB3DS)
• Metal Battlefield (SSB64)
• Pokemon Stadium (SSBM)
• Pokemon Stadium 2 (SSBB)
• Donkey Kong (SSBB)
• Hyrule Castle (SSBM
• Sector Z (SSB64)
• Dream Land (SSB64)
• Green Greens (SSBM)