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*The {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} can pull off infinite chain grabs on every character but themselves at any damage percent when both Climbers are alive, by repeatedly grabbing the opposing character after the other Climber throws them. While it requires considerable tech skill to pull off, the best Ice Climbers players are capable of pulling them off to death with a degree of consistency. This is the main reason the Ice Climbers are considered the second best character in ''Brawl'' after Meta Knight, and why the Ice Climbers are one of the most detested characters to play against in tournament.
*The {{SSBB|Ice Climbers}} can pull off infinite chain grabs on every character but themselves at any damage percent when both Climbers are alive, by repeatedly grabbing the opposing character after the other Climber throws them. While it requires considerable tech skill to pull off, the best Ice Climbers players are capable of pulling them off to death with a degree of consistency. This is the main reason the Ice Climbers are considered the second best character in ''Brawl'' after Meta Knight, and why the Ice Climbers are one of the most detested characters to play against in tournament.


*{{SSBB|King Dedede}} can pull off a variety of infinite chain throws with his down throw on some characters. The most simple and significant, the standing down throw infinite, can be pulled off on {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}, {{SSBB|Mario}}, {{SSBB|Luigi}}, and {{SSBB|Samus}} (though since Dedede must pummel to keep the down throw fresh enough to deal 6% or more damage on the latter three to keep the infinite working, they can easily escape it with sufficient button mashing if grabbed at low damage). Dedede can additionally pull off a ledge infinite on himself and {{SSBB|Wolf}} when chain grabbing on a ledge or over a steep enough slope (though the infinite can very rarely be pulled off to death, as the prior pummel rule applies, as well as the fact that pummelling Dedede can cause an instant grab break). And then Dedede has an advanced [[buffer]]red pivot grab infinite (where Dedede can buffered his farther reaching pivot grab out of down throw, and regrab the opponent without moving), which works on himself, Wolf, {{SSBB|Bowser}}, {{SSBB|Charizard}}, {{SSBB|Ivysaur}}, {{SSBB|Ganondorf}}, and most notably, {{SSBB|Snake}}. However, the prior pummel rule also applies here, and since the bufferred pivot infinite requires such insane tech skill to pull off to any significant consecutive amount, it has never saw real use in tournament play.
*{{SSBB|King Dedede}} can pull off a variety of infinite chain throws with his down throw on some characters. The most simple and significant, the standing down throw infinite, can be pulled off on {{SSBB|Donkey Kong}}, {{SSBB|Mario}}, {{SSBB|Luigi}}, and {{SSBB|Samus}} (though since Dedede must pummel to keep the down throw fresh enough to deal 6% or more damage on the latter three to keep the infinite working, they can easily escape it with sufficient button mashing if grabbed at low damage). Dedede can additionally pull off a ledge infinite on himself and {{SSBB|Wolf}} when chain grabbing on a ledge or over a steep enough slope (though the infinite can very rarely be pulled off to death, as the prior pummel rule applies, as well as the fact that pummelling Dedede can cause an instant grab break). And then Dedede has an advanced [[buffer]]red pivot grab infinite (where Dedede can buffer his farther reaching pivot grab out of down throw, and regrab the opponent without moving), which works on himself, Wolf, {{SSBB|Bowser}}, {{SSBB|Charizard}}, {{SSBB|Ivysaur}}, {{SSBB|Ganondorf}}, and most notably, {{SSBB|Snake}}. However, the prior pummel rule also applies here, and since the bufferred pivot infinite requires such insane tech skill to pull off to any significant consecutive amount, it has never saw real use in tournament play.
**Dedede can also easily infinite any character he can chain throw if he using his down throw against a [[wall]], and he can easily zero-death these characters on a [[walk-off]], by chain throwing the character up to the blast line. This is the main reason stages with permanent (or semi-permanent) walls and walk-offs, such as [[Shadow Moses Island]] and [[Bridge of Eldin]], were immediately universally banned in ''Brawl's'' early competitive play.
**Dedede can also easily infinite any character he can chain throw if he using his down throw against a [[wall]], and he can easily zero-death these characters on a [[walk-off]], by chain throwing the character up to the blast line. This is the main reason stages with permanent (or semi-permanent) walls and walk-offs, such as [[Shadow Moses Island]] and [[Bridge of Eldin]], were immediately universally banned in ''Brawl's'' early competitive play.



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An example of a zero-to-death combo in Brawl, performed on Selcia (Meta Knight) by 9B (Ice Climbers).
An example of a zero-to-death combo in Melee, performed by Marth.
An example of a zero-death-combo in Smash 64, performed by Isai (Fox) on Johnny (Pikachu).

A zero-to-death combo, commonly referred to as a zero-death or 0-death for short, is a combo, usually particularly long and intricate, that starts on an opponent at 0% damage, and ends with the eventual KO of the character being comboed. Zero-death is also used to refer to any general sequence where a player brought an opponent from 0% to a KO without interruption (such as beginning the opponent's stock with a combo that sends them into the air, then reading their landing option and punishing with an attack that sends them offstage, then reading their recovery option and punishing with an attack that KOs them). Zero-deaths are related to infinites, but are not the same. While an infinite can continue forever regardless of damage percent, a zero-death must come to an end as eventually the opponent will be knocked too far away to continue comboing, if they are not finished before then. However, zero-deaths and infinites are functionally equivalent, since infinites are utilised to zero-death the opponent, with their only additional utility over zero-deaths being able to stall by continuing the infinite beyond KO percent, which all serious tournaments have a general blanket rule forbidding.

While combos of some sort are relatively common in the four games, zero-to-death combos require almost perfect timing and placement in order to properly work, and even a single missed hitbox can ruin a combo; owing to the particularly high hitstun and lack of DI in Super Smash Bros. compared to the future installments, zero-to-death combos are most frequently seen in the first game, though their high need for technical skill makes them rare sights at tournaments and are more often seen in demonstrations or friendlies. Zero-to-death combos also vary in characteristics in the games; whereas the original game focuses on continued aerial combat, particularly with drills and similar traps, Melee, with its lesser hitstun, relies on good movement and tech chasing. Combos in Brawl are rare due to the ability to act out of hitstun, but the few that remain rely on continued chain throws and jab locks. In Super Smash Bros. 4, hitstun cancelling was removed and thus combos were restored, though due to its still low hitstun and moderate falling speeds, combos in the game usually don't last more than 2-3 hits; this, combined with the removal of chain throws and the inability to lock down knocked down opponents, has led to repeatable zero-deaths becoming a rarity. Additionally, with patching now being possible, it is unlikely for repeatable zero-deaths to remain in the game long after their discovery.

In all four games, zero-to-death combos are a common subject of TAS videos; extensions of the zero-to-death combo also exist in these runs, such as having multiple characters perform the combo on one character, or making the combo have a particularly high number of glancing blows.

A rather easy to perform zero-to-death combo in a specific matchup is often responsible for creating hard counters. In Brawl, for example, Pikachu hard counters all the space animals and Captain Falcon, as it possesses a simple chain throw (with its down throw) that can bring each of them from 0% to over 100%, and end with an unavoidable up smash, that if doesn't KO, can then be followed up by a Thunder that will finish them off.

Notable examples

In Super Smash Bros.

  • Every character except Samus is capable of pulling off a zero-death in their natural combos.
  • Donkey Kong's grab release chain with his forward throw (cargo hold) works on most of the cast up to the point where a simple back-throw will KO. A video demonstrating this with Kirby can be viewed here.

In Super Smash Bros. Melee

  • The Wombo Combo, while not a specific repeatable combo, is the most well-known zero-death combo pulled off in tournament play.
  • In NTSC regions, Sheik's down throw can combo into itself and then flow into her sweetspotted up smash, which is one of the strongest in the game; this combo was notable for being one of the reasons why Sheik was considered the best character in the first five years of Melee's metagame.
  • The Ice Climbers can zero-death any character but themselves through wobbling when both Climbers are together. Compared to other zero-deaths in Melee, it's much simpler and easier to perform than others, and only requires the Ice Climbers to get a sometimes difficult initial grab to start it. Wobbling is so effective, its legality has been heavily disputed, with it not being uncommon for Melee tournaments to ban wobbling.
  • Ganondorf is capable of chain throwing most characters, like Pichu, Falco, and even several floatier characters (if done fast enough), with his down throw and then following it up with an unavoidable up smash (against floaty characters) or down smash/Wizard's Foot (against fast fallers). Depending on the opponent's DI, he may need to turn around in order to continue the combo. It can also be started with a short combo with Gerudo Dragon or a hit from Ganondorf's down aerial, depending on the victim's falling speed.
  • Jigglypuff's "space animal slayer", a short and very effective zero-death combo that Jigglypuff can pull off on the fast fallers, that begins with an up throw, followed by a couple of up tilts and/or up aerials, finished with a Rest.
  • Donkey Kong can zero-death fast fallers with his cargo hold chain throw (tilted up) and then finish the combo with an unavoidable Giant Punch or forward smash.

In Super Smash Bros. Brawl

  • The Ice Climbers can pull off infinite chain grabs on every character but themselves at any damage percent when both Climbers are alive, by repeatedly grabbing the opposing character after the other Climber throws them. While it requires considerable tech skill to pull off, the best Ice Climbers players are capable of pulling them off to death with a degree of consistency. This is the main reason the Ice Climbers are considered the second best character in Brawl after Meta Knight, and why the Ice Climbers are one of the most detested characters to play against in tournament.
  • King Dedede can pull off a variety of infinite chain throws with his down throw on some characters. The most simple and significant, the standing down throw infinite, can be pulled off on Donkey Kong, Mario, Luigi, and Samus (though since Dedede must pummel to keep the down throw fresh enough to deal 6% or more damage on the latter three to keep the infinite working, they can easily escape it with sufficient button mashing if grabbed at low damage). Dedede can additionally pull off a ledge infinite on himself and Wolf when chain grabbing on a ledge or over a steep enough slope (though the infinite can very rarely be pulled off to death, as the prior pummel rule applies, as well as the fact that pummelling Dedede can cause an instant grab break). And then Dedede has an advanced bufferred pivot grab infinite (where Dedede can buffer his farther reaching pivot grab out of down throw, and regrab the opponent without moving), which works on himself, Wolf, Bowser, Charizard, Ivysaur, Ganondorf, and most notably, Snake. However, the prior pummel rule also applies here, and since the bufferred pivot infinite requires such insane tech skill to pull off to any significant consecutive amount, it has never saw real use in tournament play.
    • Dedede can also easily infinite any character he can chain throw if he using his down throw against a wall, and he can easily zero-death these characters on a walk-off, by chain throwing the character up to the blast line. This is the main reason stages with permanent (or semi-permanent) walls and walk-offs, such as Shadow Moses Island and Bridge of Eldin, were immediately universally banned in Brawl's early competitive play.
  • Diddy Kong can inescapably infinitely lock any character (except Luigi and Ice Climbers when both Climbers are present) at any damage percent with the single nanner lock. The very high amount of tech skill required to pull it off and the highly situational setup of it prevent it from being consistently seen in tournament, though Zinoto has gained fame from repeatedly pulling off the single nanner lock to death in tournament matches.
  • Wario's down throw chain throw on Bowser, where Wario can bring Bowser to KO percent and then follow up with an unavoidable forward smash.
  • Meta Knight's down tilt lock on a knocked down opponent, where his down tilt causes a knocked down opponent to flop helplessly a small distance forward. Meta Knight can repeatedly use down tilt in such a situation to keep the opponent down, and when he reaches the end of the stage, he can buffer a forward roll to get behind the opponent and a subsequent d-tilt to continue to lock to the other side of the stage. Meta Knight's d-tilt is weak enough to bring the opponent to KO percent without knocking them up, where Meta Knight can then finish the opponent with an unavoidable forward or down smash. This lock can be escaped with proper SDI.
  • Falco's down throw chain throw to down aerial finish on Wolf. Due to Wolf's subpar vertical recovery and his 60 frame delay in meteor cancelling, he is sent down too far to where he must rely on the ledge to recover, where he can then be easily edge hogged. Wolf has a guaranteed way of surviving this by utilising a combination of DI and SDI to land on the stage, though this requires considerable reaction and tech skill to pull off. This is the main reason most players consider Falco to win the matchup, despite Wolf holding several significant advantages over Falco in other areas.
  • The aforementioned Pikachu down throw chain throw and up smash to Thunder follow-up on the space animals and Captain Falcon.
  • Pikachu's QAC lock technique, performed by footstooling an opponent (usually set up with a down throw to up tilt or up aerial) to knock them onto the ground, and then using Quick Attack back and forth to infinite them via a lock. This can be followed up with a forward smash if the opponent is already at KO percentage, or if not, a normal jab lock, which allows Pikachu to continue the combo until it reaches the end of the stage, in which a free forward smash or Thunder is possible. This technique is extremely situational and difficult to perform consistently, with only ESAM being known to attempt to utilize the technique in tournament matches.
  • Marth's grab release chain grab on Ness and Lucas. While an infinite when done against a wall, Marth must move forward a little distance to continue the chain grab. However, it's possible for him to bring Ness and Lucas to a high enough percentage for his forward and down smash to KO (which are guaranteed follow ups on the grab release) before reaching the end of the stage.
  • Zero Suit Samus can infinite R.O.B. through use of her down smash and footstool. After stunning R.O.B. through her down smash, she can footstool him to knock him down, and for some unknown reason, Zero Suit Samus gains no height from footstooling R.O.B. in this position, resulting in her landing immediately. This then allows her to restun R.O.B. with her down smash before he can get back up, allowing her to knock him back down with a footstool and continue the infinite indefinitely, before finishing it with one of her powerful aerials at KO percent. The infinite requiring considerable tech skill and reaction to pull off to a significant degree has kept it from seeing much use in tournaments however.
  • Ganondorf can potentially zero-death any character but the Ice Climbers after landing a Flame Choke, by repeatedly reading the opponent's getup reaction and chaining them with Flame Choke up to death percent, and then ending it with one of the guaranteed KOing followups (usually dash attack or down tilt), or by reading the opponent's getup successfully a final time and landing a more powerful blow (such as forward smash and down aerial). However, the extreme amount of consecutive reads required prevents Ganondorf players from actually pulling it off in tournament play.
    • Snake can perform a zero-death similar to this with his down throw, where after using his down throw he can read the opponent's getup to regrab them, and down throw again ad infinitum, and then reading the opponent's getup a final time at KO percent to end it with one of Snake's many powerful KO moves. Though with his down throw's higher damage output compared to Flame Choke, and the fact Snake can pummel between throws to keep his down throw's damage output from staling too much, Snake has to pull off much less consecutive down throws and reads to actually zero-death the opponent compared to Ganondorf. However, it still requires too much consecutive reads to be pulled off with any degree of consistency, and thus it is very rarely seen successfully pulled off in tournament play.

In Super Smash Bros. 4

  • Similar to her infinite on R.O.B. in Brawl, Zero Suit Samus can infinite Robin in the early versions of Smash3DS through use of her down smash and footstool; she can land immediately after footstooling a stunned Robin, where she can then stun his getup with her Paralyzer, forcing a neutral getup, leading to stunning him with an avoiding down smash, allowing her to knock him back down with a footstool during his stun, continuing the process indefinitely before being able to end it with an unavoidable forward smash at KO percent. This infinite was patched out in Smash 3DS's Version 1.0.4 update and in Smash U's initial released version, where Zero Suit Samus now jumps high up after footstooling Robin like she does with every other character, making the infinite impossible to perform to any degree.
  • Due to the extremely high base knockback of the Mii Brawler's Piston Punch's first hit, it is possible to OHKO the lightest characters in the game with it, and since the move can be combo'd from down throw at low damages, it is possible for Mii Brawler to zero-death characters like Rosalina. This combo was patched out in version 1.0.6, where the first hit of the Piston Punch's knockback was reduced.
  • Due to Oil Panic's one hit KO potential after absorbing strong projectiles, and the ability for Mr. Game & Watch to combo into it at low damages out of his down throw, he can potentially zero-death any character by using down throw to rising short hopped Oil Panic. This combo is easy to perform, but it requires hard reads and a careless opponent to absorb strong enough projectiles (which few characters possess) to give Oil Panic OHKO power, and Oil Panic has to be filled soon enough to make it utiliseable at 0%, making this zero-death very situational.
  • Like in Brawl, Ganondorf can potentially zero-death any character in the game through repeated Flame Chokes, and then finishing through one of his guaranteed followups or reading the opponent's getup and punishing appropriately at KO percent. Due to Flame Choke's increased damage output, combined with Ganondorf's generally increased KO power and the removal of momentum cancelling making characters not live as long as they did in Brawl, Ganondorf has to pull off much less consecutive reads to successfully pull off a zero-death compared to Brawl, though it's still too much for a Ganondorf player to successfully perform this zero-death to any consistency.

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