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Deletion of talk pages[edit]

Hi Miles. Just a heads-up, you can find a list of all talk pages on the wiki here. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 15:59, 18 February 2012 (EST)


I would rather you used a different name on All is Brawl. You never asked the SmashWiki community's permission to use the name "Miles of SmashWiki"; permission which you should have sought because by using that name you are saying that you represent the SmashWiki community, and that means that everything you say is representative of the SmashWiki community's opinion on that matter. You are an elected representative of SmashWiki on SmashWiki, but not on AiB. PenguinofDeath 20:11, 4 March 2012 (EST)

That's in no way an implication I am making. I do not speak on behalf of SmashWiki and have never claimed to. Miles (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2012 (EST)
You are the only user with SmashWiki in their username though. After looking over the list of members in SmashWikidians group, you are the only member with SmashWiki in his/her username. When people look around, only links within profiles would reveal if they work on Smash Wiki or not (either that or someone who took the time to search through the member list). Now, some users are lazy asses, will not take the time to search through our profiles. Your nick just flat out tells everyone that you're a member of Smash Wiki. Being a supermod would put you in a "leadership" role, as it is not easy to become a supermod. Since you are a supermod there, an admin here, and have the SmashWiki title, users associate you with being out representative by default. Seeing the reputation you've got on AiB, I am willing to say that people are (I'm only speculating here) scared of you. As a result, they think the other users here are "abusive" people who give no reason for blocks (You only said "Consensus" as a reason for Hamek's permaban). I do not want people to think of us as the big bads of AiB and other sites. Other users also say that you are a bad representative on AiB. Seeing as how the SmashWiki part of your name is the main reason people would associate you with Smash Wiki, I would recommend that you change your nickname so that you will not give us a bad representation to newer members on AiB, seeing as how all the old members already know that you work here. MegaTron1XD:p 22:30, 4 March 2012 (EST)
That's like saying that people judge a city based on the fact that they don't like someone from that city. If somebody is so narrow-minded as to extend a personal dislike of me to the entirety of a site based on the fact that I have the site's name in my username, then that is their folly and I see no reason to change anything about myself based on their opinions. Miles (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2012 (EST)
But you're not just a person from a city, you're a leader of that city. Just like the president of the States represents the country and will thus influence foreign countries' perception of the country, an admin on this site will influence the perception of the site on other sites, especially one that parades the SmashWiki name in their username. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:52, 4 March 2012 (EST)
Your comments have been noted. For the time being, I am not changing it. Miles (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Changing his name now could open a bigger can of worms; the uninformed masses would assume that he fell out of favour here, or is no longer part of us, or is just doing something for the purpose of trying to become less of an angry-schmuck magnet. Certainly not our decision, but best to leave it alone I say. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Ghostbuster 22:59, 4 March 2012 (EST)


Changing the WikiStatus like that was not necessary or important. Do you really want to keep it up? The "Wombo Combo" is not that important. LightningBlue: Music is Power 00:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Look at the date, and gain some humor. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 00:32, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
Technically in California it isn't April Fool's Day for another hour and a half. Sorry man. LightningBlue: Music is Power 01:31, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

You are a Bully[edit]

Remove the Protection of CCD's age or else. It's not YOUR article, it's CCD's. He's going to be mighty cross, so have it how HE wants. 08:52, 18 April 2012 (EDT)--User was temp banned for this post

I know you[edit]

The real yoshi knows you from the MarioWiki. You use the same name Link PWNS (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

I only edit rarely on other NIWA wikis besides here and WikiBound, but yes, I use the same name on MarioWiki, Bulbapedia, etc. Miles (talk) 21:30, 2 May 2012 (EDT)


Prepare yourself. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 14:21, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

There's a decent chance I might be on later today. I'm quite out of practice, but if I do manage to get on I'll give wifi a try. Miles (talk)
Will you be on IRC when you are available? Thanks. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 15:28, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
I'll get on IRC at that point. Miles (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2012 (EDT)


Just because it's common, that doesn't mean it's right. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumTransparent Swadloon.png 21:41, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Unfortunately, when it comes to language, common things do become right. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Victorious 21:50, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
"(by extension) any musical composition" Miles (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

The recent vandalism[edit]

Thank you for fixing that up; I was unable to do that with my rollback. DarkFox01DF01Sig.pngBILL! 20:37, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

Had to do with the fact that the first two vandal edits were from an IP address, before they made an account to upload that image. I suggest using the history of the article in situations like that to revert vandal edits from more than one source. Thanks for keeping an eye out for vandals. Miles (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2013 (EDT)


Can you please delete the Hookshot redirect? RoyboyX Talk 20:19, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

You shouldn't be bugging admins asking them to delete pages; it's their job to check the pages tagged for deletion, and you should assume that they have already checked the category when they log in. If they have not, they probably are still deciding whether it's appropriate to delete it. Also take note of what Toomai Dots wrote in the reason. He said that he would like anyone to remove the tag if they objected to it, which means that an admin is probably waiting for responses. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:36, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
That was Dots. BRAWLS BoFSig.png OF BoFSig.pngFURY 21:42, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
I disagree with the move and am still on the fence about going through with it in spite of near-consensus. That is why I have yet to take action. Miles (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

The IP vandal[edit]

Are you sure he should only be blocked for 3 months? Just look at his contributions. Scr7Wolfsig.png 13:48, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

What do you mean "only"? That is far longer than the usual block time. IP addresses change frequently, so a different, good faith, editor could easily end up with this IP, which is why we don't permaban it. DoctorPain99 14:17, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
Dr. Pain is correct. Miles (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
Okay sorry, it's just that he was harassing me non-stop. Scr7Wolfsig.png 15:10, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
DP is right about the whole IP addresses change thing, because I made a contribution when I realized my IP changed. Which is why I made an account. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2013 (EDT)


Would you like to brawl? If so, go on IRC. Scr7Wolfsig.png 03:41, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

Even had I seen this earlier, I probably would've declined. I'm atrocious at wifi and basically gave up on playing Brawl that way. Miles (talk) 12:03, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

I feel like you're missing the point.[edit]

What is the problem with linking to redirects? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Researcher 16:10, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

I think it's less intuitive, and that it's a lot simpler to bypass redirects whenever it's possible. I do however recognize that I'm in the minority opinion here, so in making those templates I'm trying to compromise (for this specific context, anyway). I'd suggest using those whenever there's a link to one specific version of SSB4 as a modified version of the idea of a "redirect with possibilities" from that Wikipedia page. That way, if (probably when) we make separate pages for the two versions, we have to just change the template rather than manually relink things. Miles (talk) 16:17, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
That's not a bad thought process, but I think you overthought it a little. Here's how I would figure things would go if redirect becomes a page:
  • Using the code [[page|redirect]]: all uses have to be changed
  • Using your templates: only the template has to be changed, all relevant pages have to be purged if cached
  • Using the code [[redirect]]: no uses have to be changed, no pages have to be purged
So the way I see it just using the redirects straight is the best idea. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Celeritous 16:25, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
I doubt my opinion on this subject will become the majority one anytime soon, but I stand by my opinion that using redirects like that is significantly worse aesthetically speaking. Miles (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for deleting those bad file named redirects, and I apologize for my inconvenience. --MMAI.pngMeMyselfAndI 11:45, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

No worries. That kind of stuff happens. I would recommend being a little more cautious in the future, but it wasn't that big a deal. Miles (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

Mario (SSBM)/Gallery[edit]

Hey can I move This page to Mario (SSBM)/Gallery. I've done the majority of the animations and no one opposed the idea in Forum:General proposals? Thank you very much. --MMAI.pngMeMyselfAndI 14:00, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Go ahead. I might do some rearranging of it at some point, but it can be moved as it is. Miles (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Replace template[edit]

Does there exist a replace template on the wiki? So that it can be used instead of the delete template? If not, can I create one? thanks --MMAI.pngMeMyselfAndI 12:41, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

{{Lowquality}} is the closest we have. That'll work for what you were thinking, would be my guess. Miles (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

Deletion of those smasher articles[edit]

Notability not about whether you're ranked 22nd on a state's power ranking (especially if it's either NorCal or SoCal (I forget which one), two of the strongest Melee regions in the world). It's whether you have a significant impact (such as consistently placing well in tournaments of at least local level) in your Smash community. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:23, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

I'm using my judgment call on the policy rule about what constitutes "some level of regional or national recognition". Unless they place very highly in a major tournament and/or are topping a power ranking, they don't really meet that criterion. Miles (talk) 19:01, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
If you were ranking them by placing "very highly in a major tournament" or "topping a power ranking", that includes a very small amount of players. "Some level of regional or national recgonition" means they can at least place well consistently in local tournaments, it's not all about where you're ranked on the power rankings or can place well at the biggest tournaments. If you can't properly judge what consists of notability then you should let someone else delete smasher articles. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:39, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

If you're talking about [[Smasher:Bone]], Nocturnal Dragon had posted a notability tag saying "we don't have anything about him on the powerrankings". I think ND has a decent enough track record on this wiki to call that a trustworthy observation. With the only claim to notability then refuted, the article had no legs to stand on. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Golden 22:12, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

Then it seems like that article has a valid reason for deletion. However, what Miles said about being 22nd in a power ranking isn't enough is not a valid reason. Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:18, 12 October 2013 (EDT)


When would be a good time to leave a redirect for any article? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

My opinions on the subject are apparently not the consensus-preferred policy. Ask Toom. Miles (talk) 12:56, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

Two Questions (and hello again)[edit]

1. Any suggestions for tasks I should do? I'm aware of the to-do list on the front page, but I'd rather not end up making edits to an article that end up being useless. Rather, given your knowledge of my actions in the past (both positive and negative, so I understand if menial tasks come to mind), do you have any suggestions as to where to start?

2. This is somewhat off-topic, and you don't really have to answer this (other than "This isn't the place to ask that kind of question"), but are people having difficulty logging in on AiB? I've been unable to access my account for some time, and I do not know if there has been any announced solutions, so I was just asking you in hopes of getting some information besides "Neal is incognito, so AiB is now a digital paperweight".

And I would say nice seeing you again, but I'm not sure if the feeling is mutual, so I'll refrain from assuming anything for now. MarioGalaxyTalk 12:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Welcome back. As far as to-do stuff goes, I would say working on the things on the front page/on top of recent changes is usually a pretty safe bet. And as for AiB, I haven't been there in a long time. Once it became clear beyond a doubt that Neal wasn't going to do anything to fix the site's problems, I gave up on it. Miles (talk) 12:52, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Good to know. Any advice on what not to do? I know there aren't many editing restrictions at the moment, but again, I'd rather not push my luck. MarioGalaxyTalk 13:30, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Well, I guess don't start making sweeping changes to multiple pages without bringing it up on a talk page first? Otherwise, common sense usually is about all it takes to stay out of trouble. Miles (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Just overlook the policy page, and review any policy you're not familiar with, as well as look over the updated SW:NOT.
Also, AiB seems to be pretty much dead. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 14:26, 7 November 2013 (EST)

This is unrelated, but the Miiverse post for Marth's reveal is now available. Should the front page be updated to use that link like the other news updates? MarioGalaxyTalk 14:42, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Miiverse links are only necessary when the text of the update is important. If it's obvious what the announcement is by the image, it's okay without the link. Toomai Glittershine ??? Le Grand Fromage 14:54, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Not sure if I should make a new thread for this question, seeing as having back-to-back threads by the same person would probably take up space, but should an article for Air Dash Online be made (and I mean an article; like Project M, everything related to it would stay ON that one article)? MarioGalaxyTalk 12:25, 8 November 2013 (EST)

I must admit, I don't know what that is. Either ask around to others who are more likely to know, or make the page in your userspace and then we can discuss moving it to the mainspace. Miles (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2013 (EST)

Get informed[edit]

Everyone who plays 64 knows the Rapetent refers to the tent in Hyrule. It's by far the most used name for it. Are you gonna forbid someone from creating the "Death by Rape" crew page because it has the word "rape" in it? It's called the rapetent, deal with it. If you really find that offensive, just move the article to a different title instead of deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenpachi (talkcontribs) 21:44

While I disapprove strongly of the name, I made clear that was a secondary reason for the page's deletion. We have a Greenhouse article already for the combo, and stage areas like the Fight Club generally do not warrant their own pages. Also, please sign your comments with ~~~~. Miles (talk) 22:58, 22 November 2013 (EST)
The Greenhouse article is about a mere Pikachu combo. The rapetent designs that entire area of the stage. Kenpachi (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2013 (EST)
It should still be merged onto the Hyrule Castle article anyways regardless of whether the name is offensive or not. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:13, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Can you please restore the page so it can be kept/merged? Awesome Cardinal 2000 11:02, 30 November 2013 (EST)

It is not relevant. No. Miles (talk) 15:57, 30 November 2013 (EST)
I always thought people simply referred to it as "tent". This is really prominent on the wiki as well. Anyway, I believe it should be merged. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 19:04, 30 November 2013 (EST)

"I made clear that was a secondary reason for the page's deletion. We have a Greenhouse article already for the combo, and stage areas like the Fight Club generally do not warrant their own pages."

Except we use common nicknames here for things like that, whether as the article title, or as a redirect. Additionally, the Greenhouse article did not have the useful information on it that the rapetent article did. And the fight club example you bring it up is a redirect here even. That is not a valid delete reason, if you think something like the greenhouse/rapetent doesn't deserve an article, then you can discuss on their talkpages about merging them with the Hyrule page, don't get uppity and just delete them. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Additionally, it's fine and all if you're not involved in the competitive scene, and aren't knowledgeable about it. But don't go making knee-jerk deletions of competitive stuff and claim them to be non-notable. You should really stay just out of the competitive stuff, we don't need another situation like your constant deletion of Boss' smasher article happening again. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:51, 8 December 2013 (EST)

You do not get to unilaterally decide that your assessment of notability is correct and mine is not. I'm tired of you acting like you can overrule every decision I make on this wiki. If you disagree with an action of mine and want to discuss it, go right ahead. But simply overturning actions that I take without even attempting to bring the community to consensus is a frustratingly vindictive approach. Miles (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2013 (EST)
"You do not get to unilaterally decide that your assessment of notability is correct and mine is not."
Except you have no real assessment? You can't just say "I don't like the name so it's not notable". Again, you can't declare something to be notable or not when you don't even interact with the Smash community nor do the most basic of research, especially when you don't even bother to give a reason for why it's non-notable beyond "I don't think it is". Just look up some Smashboards threads about the stage and you'll see the term "Rapetent" being used. Yeah I think the name is awful too and the word "rape" gets thrown around too casually by the Smash community, but we already made it clear on the Wiki that we are not censored, so an offensive name does not mean we don't recognise it.
And you have repeatedly demonstrated a sore lack of competitive knowledge and the inability to effectively judge notability. Again, must I bring up Boss, the best Luigi and Mario player in Brawl, who even had a video of him defeating Ally on his page, whose smasher article you deleted twice and the second time right after I already reverted you deletion, and then proceeded to tag for notability after the second deletion revert? Like I said dude, if you aren't going to interact with the competitive community and aren't going to bother to learn even the basics about it, then just stay out of the competitive stuff on the Wiki, so you stop making terrible knee-jerk deletions like these.
Additionally, the Rapetent article had useful information on it, that you just glance over and delete, instead of you know, at least moving the information to a more appropriate place before any deletion/redirecting the article.
"But simply overturning actions that I take without even attempting to bring the community to consensus is a frustratingly vindictive approach."
Except your actions here are clearly wrong, and you go and knee-jerk delete without going through a proper deletion process yourself for "consensus"? You know what the proper process is supposed to be for deleting an article that is not at all a clear-cut deletion case? You put a deletion tag on it, and then discuss it properly on its talk page. You don't just knee-jerk delete and then just claim "I'm right" afterward when multiple users, including the competitively knowledgeable admin, calls you out on it. Hell, Ack came on just asking if it could be recreated so it could be merged for the useful information on it, and you just reply with a flat "no".
You know, I'm reminded of this and this, where other admins had to call you before out on the shitty decisions you make on here and try to push as right even though you got no "consensus" supporting you. I always thought of you as a bad admin with questionable judgment and being to into their power, but did nothing about it as you were mostly harmless and were useful for basic janitorial duties at a time where the Wiki is short on admins. But then you go and keep doing stuff like this. I'm warning you now, if you keep this up, I will strongly consider officially starting a push for your demodding. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 16:20, 9 December 2013 (EST)
You are baselessly attacking my record, OT. I have been an admin on SmashWiki for 5 years, OT. I'm not above admitting I've made mistakes, but you are accusing me in a way I simply do not deserve. You continually act as though you are my superior. You're not. And it's increasingly unreasonable of you to behave in the way you are. If you have some kind of problem with me, call in Toom to arbitrate. I'm not going to argue with you when you clearly have no interest in holding a civil discussion. A wall of text doesn't make you right. Miles (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2013 (EST)
"You are baselessly attacking my record, OT."
Except I'm not, as I already linked previous examples of your bad adminship? That's not "baseless", when some clear evidence has been presented.
"I have been an admin on SmashWiki for 5 years, OT."
Irrelevant, and this another problem with you, your constant appeals to authority, thinking just because you've been admin for a long time it makes you right. You can be an admin for forever, doesn't make the wrong actions you make any less wrong, and it doesn't make Sannse and the rest of the Wikia admins any less shitty at what they do.
"I'm not above admitting I've made mistakes"
Except you never do? Where was the admitting of wrong with the Boss debacle, or when PoD and Emmett told you knock it off with what you were doing in the previous linked examples?
"but you are accusing me in a way I simply do not deserve."
When you're doing what you're doing here, and what you have done in the past as the linked examples shown, it's certainly not "undeserved", and I can guarantee you many of the experienced users on here share the views I have expressed here.
"You continually act as though you are my superior."
I act as I'm your superior because I corrected a dumb thing you did and argued with you when you disputed just like I and other Wiki users do with each other regardless of their user class? You are the one acting superior here, with your knee-jerk deletion of an article you didn't like, completely ignoring the formal deletion process, and then refusing to listen to the other users here while just asserting you're right, until I came along and vetoed your action.
"And it's increasingly unreasonable of you to behave in the way you are."
So it's unreasonable of me to revert the clearly wrong action of another admin and chastise them for it, as well as tell them to stay away from an area of the Wiki they are clearly not nor interested in becoming knowledgeable about, but it's not unreasonable for you to keep making these knee-jerk deletions, completely ignoring the proper deletion procedure and all alternatives to deletion, and then adamantly refusing to back down on it until other admins get involved?
"I'm not going to argue with you when you clearly have no interest in holding a civil discussion."
Because this is totally not civil, right? I'm just here calling you names and insulting you, not putting my thoughts down here in a rational manner and backing them up, nope not doing that at all. Just because it goes against you does not mean it's not "civil".
"A wall of text doesn't make you right."
"I can't refute you, so instead of admitting fault, I'll just whine you're being mean and are not right, even though I present no refute in return".
An "admin of five years" should be able to back themselves up better than that, or just admit they're wrong and promise to improve themselves, instead of going on with whiny bullshit about how OT is so mean. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:47, 9 December 2013 (EST)
I fully admit I screw up sometimes. You are the one continuing to pursue borderline personal attacks when I'm trying to drop the point. Accusing me of "whiny bullshit" and throwing around the idea of "starting a push for your demodding" isn't really an attempt at reconciliation, and you know that. It's an attempt at intimidation. I'm not impressed. Miles (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)
"I fully admit I screw up sometimes."
Ok, where is the admittance of wrong here, and the admittance of wrong for all the previous things, instead of just whining about being criticised?
"You are the one continuing to pursue borderline personal attacks when I'm trying to drop the point."
Except you aren't "trying to drop the point", when you just go and argue back, and then whine that I'm "being unreasonable". If you were "trying to drop the point", you would have just admitted wrong right away, or stopped responding altogether; continuing to argue back is not "trying to drop the point". And do you know what a personal attack is? Calling someone out for their poor adminship is not a "personal attack" and criticising them is not a "personal attack" in any form.
"Accusing me of "whiny bullshit" and throwing around the idea of "starting a push for your demodding" isn't really an attempt at reconciliation, and you know that. It's an attempt at intimidation. I'm not impressed."
Except it's clearly not intended to be an "attempt at reconciliation", with the former being a blunt summary of your lackluster response to me, and the latter frankly letting you know what will happen if you brush aside my criticism and keep on misusing your admin powers like you did here. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)
Do you even understand the idea that I'm not interested in fighting with you? I apologize for the mistakes I make on this wiki. Everyone screws up sometimes. It happens. Doesn't mean you get to hold it over my head forever. Your attempts at bullying me are quite tiresome, and I encourage you to move on with your life. Miles (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2013 (EST)
Except you don't screw up just "sometimes", it keeps happening, it's not like this was a one-off mistake. Do you understand the idea of criticism and how to properly respond to it? You can't just pass criticism off as "bullying" and "personal attacks". Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:30, 9 December 2013 (EST)
I accepted the portion of what you presented that was reasonable constructive criticism. The rest was unnecessary and borderline spiteful. It's as simple as that. Miles (talk) 22:37, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Look you two we already have not enough staff and zero potential candidates, don't go creating an internal rift like this. Frankly I think you're both in the wrong here, so shut up and move on. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Celeritous 22:45, 9 December 2013 (EST)

@Toomai: We shouldn't be tolerating bad admins that repeatedly misuse their admin tools while they seemingly don't give a care about it, simply because of a lack of admins, just like we wouldn't approve a subpar admin candidate's RfA regardless of the admins we have. The amount of active admins and potential candidates does not justify a current admin's subpar adminship, they impede the Wiki all the same regardless of the amount of admins. If you want to tell me what you think I'm wrong with, go ahead, I'll happily debate it with you.
@Miles: Except you never did accept any of it, and really, what part is "unnecessary" and "spiteful"? Because everything said here is about what you do wrong as an admin, and then about your own lackluster response to me. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 23:06, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Project M Character Pages[edit]

I have a couple of questions. Damage not inclusive, if moves in Project M are identical to their Melee versions, can their names/descriptions be copy and pasted? Also, if there are aesthetic/cosmetic differences in the moves (for example, Roy's Blazer having a different animation based on a move from another character in a different game), should those go in the move descriptions or under a trivia section? While I don't have much experience in Project M yet, I have been watching and reading a fair amount on it, so I'd just like to know how I should go about adding info. MarioGalaxyTalk 14:33, 25 November 2013 (EST)

I'm probably not the best person to ask. I opposed (and continue to oppose) covering Project M outside its own page and relevant tournament pages. Miles (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2013 (EST)
Well, who should I ask? Toomai? MarioGalaxyTalk 14:41, 25 November 2013 (EST)
Toom or OT, probably. Miles (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Team Magma information[edit]

Upon some searching, I believe there is a reason to reconsider the deletion. While information on Mexico's competitive scene is difficult to obtain, a quick search indicates that Team Magma was the host of Smash-Mex 9, which can be verified as a major Mexican tournament. While my understanding of Spanish is next to null, videos like these appear to indicate that Team Magma does have a noticeable presence in the country's competitive scene. While this wiki should remain having standards for notability, I don't think it should be used as a reason to limit coverage of the scene in other countries. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 00:01, 12 December 2013 (EST)

Thanks for the heads-up. I was working on the creator's failure to prove notability and Dots' claim of finding nothing, but that's a valid reason to change the decision. Miles (talk) 00:12, 12 December 2013 (EST)
Thank you. On this note, I thing it might be a good idea for the wiki to recruit users fluent in Spanish. I was able to find information backing up the team's notability, but further information providing context was difficult, due to the linguistic barrier. I believe being able to deal with this obstacles will be important for having comprehensive coverage on the Latin American smash scene. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 00:36, 12 December 2013 (EST)
It's not a bad idea, but given that this is an English-language wiki it might be tough to find people who are interested and willing. We need language support in other areas, too. Miles (talk) 01:28, 12 December 2013 (EST)
I know this is more than a month past, but I'm willing to help with the whole linguistic barrier. MarioGalaxyTalk 12:25, 30 January 2014 (EST)


File:The Ultimatum of Toast.jpg was used on my userpage, but you deleted it. Could you reverse this somehow? Thanks. Air Conditioner AC.png wants money 14:56, 29 December 2013 (EST)

Sorry about that. If you want something that's in a choose function to not show up on the unused files page, please use Template:ValidUnusedImage on it to make it clear that it's in use. Miles (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2013 (EST)

Question regarding the giygas[edit]

Does the giygas really have traps that would lead players into something like Midknight's microwave or something like that? I have the YT video that demonstrates on how those traps that the giygas uses to defeat a player.--BrandondorfLemsdadhead.png 22:50, 9 January 2014 (EST)

Why are you asking me a question about a M.U.G.E.N video? Miles (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2014 (EST)
Well, I wanted to know if the giygas had one of those traps like this longfall trap where Ness is falling into after getting caught in the Giygas traps: That's an example of the trap used by the Giygas so that way that alien villain can defeat Ness and it's heroes and gets it's revenge to take over Onnett. That Giygas with the traps is the evil boss in the Earthbound series.--BrandondorfLemsdadhead.png 23:23, 9 January 2014 (EST)
You're not making any sense at all. Additionally, please refrain from uploading images to SmashWiki that don't have anything to do with this site or its content. Miles (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Block my old account[edit]

Please block my original account. I forgot my password. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toad the Kool 2 (talkcontribs) 20:48, 30 January 2014 (EST)

Why would I block it? If you can't use it, there's no reason to bother. I'm not going to on the off-chance you're someone else trying to convince me to block this guy. Miles (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2014 (EST)
I'm not another guy. I was Toad the Kool. I wanted to log in to my account, but, I forgot my password. So... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toad the Kool 2 (talkcontribs) 21:17, 30 January 2014 (EST)

Hey there.[edit]

Okay. I'll see what I can do. --EpicWendigo (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

Hold up, there's a reason I'm doing this.[edit]

Like how Battlefield and Final Destination in the original game aren't originally called that but retroactively, I'm renaming the old KJ to reflect the correction in Melee, adding a note that it was misspelled in the original game. It's more consistent this way. VinLAURiA (talk) 21:21, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Or the two already have distinct names and the setup we already have is simpler. Please bring up major changes like this on a talk page rather than just doing them directly without discussion. Miles (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
Fine, I'll take it to the talk page of "Kongo Jungle," which is currently the Melee one in your version. VinLAURiA (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
And done. VinLAURiA (talk) 21:37, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

==I found it!==/2014/05/08/super-smash-bros-pic-day-8-5-14/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mii-gamer+%28Mii-Gamer%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher I found the image that you're looking for! :D This is fantastic! --EpicWendigo (talk) 03:30, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

smash-run-enemy.jpg Here is the exact image. --EpicWendigo (talk) 03:35, 8 May 2014 (EDT)

Regarding recent events[edit]

This user:

  • moved a page over another twice despite being told not to do so after the first time...
  • claimed that he was hacked despite acting effectively the same both during and after this incident, particularly by performing the aforementioned action twice...
  • states that he does not know how to change his password despite having explicitly and implicitly showing he has the ability to change his signature...

...and yet you have chosen not to block him. Why?

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 21:05, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Btw, I just ran Check User. It was all from the same IP today, so there's not even the chance that he's legitimately on one computer while the hacker in on another. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:32, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Thanks for checking that, C. Hawk. And I hadn't blocked him because I didn't dig deep enough to realize that assuming good faith from the user in question wouldn't have been well-founded; had I checked more thoroughly, I'd have done what C. Hawk did. Miles (talk) 21:49, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
No problems on my end. I started with a one day to let him change the password if it really was that, but then did the further checks. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:14, 12 May 2014 (EDT)

Smasher: Aliami[edit]

DFW has requested deletion of the page and I have no choice but to request the article to be taken down. DeleteAliami (talk) 03:42, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Smasher: Aliami[edit]

I do not allow for images of myself to be uploaded onto this wiki. I request for them to be removed immediately. DeleteAliami (talk) 03:42, 16 May 2014 (EDT)


Dots is deleting important things on the wiki. Can you help me stop him? --EpicWendigo (talk) 19:37, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

You sure the origin sections are necessary? You can simply look on other wikis (i.e bulbapedia) for more information of the Smash Run enemies. the reason why is because they are rather minor. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Blue 19:41, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Actually, since I don't want to link to a Sonic Wikia, I'll <fuck it I won't say it so insert damn song name> of the Eggrobo origin section. Everything else might get deleted though. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The DS 19:44, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Origin sections for things that come from other series are necessary, this isn't even a valid argument. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Frivolous 19:50, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
What Toom said. Origin sections are almost universally necessary on things that don't originate in Smash. Miles (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2014 (EDT)
Not going to be offensive or anything but if this so, then damn, looks like I suck at making quality edits. :P Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Ninten 19:55, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

See talk page[edit]

Yeah, I saw the talk page. I asked that question. Don't tell me to "See talk page". Crapfully Springed out, OB 00:40, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

The edit summary wasn't directed at you; it was directed at anyone who might check the page history. My apologies if it came across as something mean-spirited. Miles (talk) 00:44, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

As a side note thing[edit]

Stuff that the Wiki is focused on that you aren't exactly strong in:

  • Competitive Smash
  • Project M
  • Smash mods in general
  • Competitive Smash's history (yes, this is different)

Do a bit of Googling on that stuff when you can. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 03:51, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

I am planning on working to further expand my knowledge on those subjects in the near future, but for now I recognize them as not being my areas of expertise. I've worked harder so far on trying to build "origin" historian kind of knowledge from across various series, but I agree that I need more familiarity with competitive and community subjects than I currently possess. Thank you for the feedback. Miles (talk) 09:51, 23 June 2014 (EDT)


Pooka comes from Dig-Dug and its ports. When was it in a Pac-Man game? Crapfully Springed out, OB 17:40, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

"The character Pooka has many cameos in Namco games, most often as an enemy in Namco games such as the Pac-Man World series. Pooka was playable for the first time in the game Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness as an unlockable character for the multiplayer modes. He is also available to play as in Pac-Man World Rally, as well as Fygar. In Pac-Man World, he appears as one of the friends of Pac-Man who was kidnapped by Toc-Man."
Googling helps. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 17:48, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Why did you block User:MeleeNorway?[edit]

Ciouldn't you have at least explained what they were doing wrong first? Awesome Cardinal 2000 08:30, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't understand in what capacity mass removal of relevant information is something that warrants assuming good faith. Nevertheless, you are correct that I should have left an explanatory message at the bare minimum. Miles (talk) 08:33, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
The user was definitely a good faith editor and was probably from the Norway Smash community looking to add information to smasher pages, but didn't know what to do with the outdated information. Explaining to the user about removing content would have been better than blocking them immediately. Awesome Cardinal 2000 08:41, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
Also, he could be also removing unnecessary information as well. Just saying. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Arwing 09:11, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
Ah, looks like I missed a more productive edit from the user. That's an error on my part. Miles (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2014 (EDT)


You, me, c-hawk if he's around, and toomai need to have irc special group time. I will be on tomorrow (today?). Semicolon (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

I should be on in the afternoon. Miles (talk) 01:49, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
Yo, what's this not inviting me to this? Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 09:09, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
You are always around. He is not. Semicolon (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)


What's got you hesitant? RoyboyX Talk 22:03, 6 July 2014 (EDT)


You are quite a despot, not surprising, but I recognize I quietly keep the items project to myself, well not at all as I consulted the missing items with Toomai a long time ago. What he said is that he had fenced against them because others didn't cared anyway, so that means no one actually dared to do it, until now when I stood for them, and you know I'm against this place "dogmas" (some, not all). It's not that they are optional, it's that you can control their frencuency and let me remind you in the first Smash Bros. all items are mandatory until you unlock the Item Switch. It's like ignoring the fact there are power ups in video games, because that's what items are. It's also like mentioning Super Mario Bros. and not talking about the Super Mushrooms or Fire Flowers within the same page. And you said optional, what do you mean by optional? Versus stages are optional as well, there is a Random Stage Switch, you know? you can avoid those pesky stages in the same way you can turn off items. Why ignore the items? If I did the consult I was pretty sure few would support the inclusion of items on the main pages as the competitive scene has asbosred a lot of the content of the wiki (like seriuosly the News section, I don't care who has won the recent tournaments). And if I did the consult would you support it? the fact you removed the boxes makes me think you wouldn't. Give them a chance, it wasn't easy to make those things, you are not seeing the hard work I employed on those sections, like how many years this wiki spent with no artworks for the container items from the original Smash? I found them and took my time to clean the up so I can actually made those boxes. I will take this with Toomai as well so we can talk about the situation for the items.

--Byllant (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Why do you want to wage a war with the competitive aspect of smash. You do realize it's the only thing keeping the games relevant.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 22:12, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
My reversion had nothing to do with the competitive scene whatsoever; please don't jump to conclusions. It has to do with a simple fact: every match of Smash involves characters fighting on stages. Thus, characters and stages are unambiguously important enough to be included on the main game pages. Items, which are not necessarily a part of a given Smash match, are more ambiguous in importance. I didn't say we should not include them; rather, I said there should be a talk page discussion prior to making a significant change like that. Miles (talk) 22:15, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
For once, I will apologize for my assumptions. OK, it's not for the competitive scene, but it is wide known fact that people prefers playing without items (for balanced settings not relying on luck, like the competitive scene is), including myself, and I have seen lot of people neglecting the items in Smash Bros. on this wiki. I considered long ago did the items inclusion given their importance in Smash, at least from the default point, otherwise Sakurai wouldn't encourage us to use items or even claim stuff like "real Smash Bros. players use items". The rage is more about the time consumed on modifying and editing the boxes that the actual fact [some] people doesn't like them.
@Brian you don't know this, but I hate meddling people whenever I'm discussing with someone else. Whether I'm interested in the competitive play or not is my problem and it's an opinion you should respect, and BTW I never said it was something bad, it just feels less redundant recalling who has won the recent tournaments.
--Byllant (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Please allow this discussion to continue on the proposals page. I think there is real merit in the addition, and the forum is a good place to get community feedback. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 10:02, 11 July 2014 (EDT)


are you removing the links for moves on all the Pokémon pages?Qwerty the lord Nessytrewq.jpg 15:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Pay closer attention; he changed the template so it links automatically. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Ghostbuster 15:40, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Are you sure we should link to official moves instead of simply describing the attacks?[edit]

The reason I ask is because, after translating the text describing Charizard's Melee attack, it reads that it's using "radiation flame," which isn't even the Japanese name for "Flamethrower" (that would be "Flame Emission"). The same goes for Zapdos (whose attack, according to the website, is "Denkishokku," which also isn't an official translation for any of the mainstream damaging electric-type moves Zapdos is capable of learning) and Entei ("vortex of fire"). Some of these sound more like move descriptions than actual move names. The fact that other moves from the website, like Blastoise's Hydro Pump and Articuno's Icy Wind, are listed as proper nouns supports my theory that Venusaur isn't using the actual Earthquake, as it's listed in lowercase as if it were an effect and not a move. I say, for those specific examples, that we simply link what the website says (i.e. "Venusaur causes an "earthquake"" instead of "Venusaur uses Earthquake"). blue ninjakoopa 16:26, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Nevermind, I used ctrl+f to find copied & pasted Japanese text from Bulbapedia and everything is right. The translator I used was just a little off. Carry on. blue ninjakoopa 16:29, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
No problem. The move names were in bold, which made it easy enough to compare against Bulbapedia's Japanese text. Miles (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Brawl single on-screen focus[edit]

Would you mind showing me an example of this? I don't remember it ever happening. (Also, which player does it focus on? Just a random one?) FirstaLasto 13:11, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Given that I'm not finding any examples at the moment, it's possible I'm misremembering. That said, you'd a) also need footage to confirm your claim and b) you should use {{for3ds}}. Miles (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
So it just occurred to me that even my revised wording was unclear. Here's what it should say:
*On Super Smash Bros. for 3DS, when a battle starts, the screen will occasionally focus on the player's own on-screen appearance for the entire duration of the countdown, rather than moving between each character as they appear or showing the entire screen.
So if maybe you thought it was talking about the zoom that occurs on each character as they appear, that's not what it is. FirstaLasto 13:19, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
I thought Brawl did that too sometimes, but I may have been confusing the two. Miles (talk) 13:21, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
How would Brawl be able to do that when everyone plays using the same screen? Anyways, I'll add a reference and re-add the trivia, if thats okay. FirstaLasto 13:23, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
I thought it occasionally focused on just one character at random then panned the camera out, but I seem to be mistaken. Go ahead. Miles (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Hypothetical Lucina Procedure[edit]

As I still feel certain that Lucina will be confirmed as nothing more than a skin (not asking to argue that right now, though; confirmation or deconfirmation of such is probably not very far in the future), I wonder what the procedures should be for if such a thing happens. Should her SSB4 page be retained, or merged with SSB4 Marth? What about the Lucina_(SSB4) category? I figure that her entry on character lists would need to be removed, and a lot of redirects made, at the very least. Would pages whose text refer to SSB4 Marth need to be changed to also refer to Lucina (such as special move pages)? Ect, ect.
I'm usually around the wiki when POTD's are posted (which, if such a confirmation occurs, would likely be when it does), so I feel that if I know ahead of time I can get things cleaned up before more of a potential mess is made. FirstaLasto 18:15, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

On the off chance she is confirmed as a Marth alt, her info would be merged into his pages. However, given that other alternate model costumes (female Villager, male WFT) don't have separate pages on the official site, I think it's relatively clear that she's a moveset clone but a separate character. (I personally expect her to be Roy's center-of-sword moveset minus fire.) I wouldn't invest more time into this hypothetical unless Sakurai proves it true. Miles (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
Like I said, I wanted to make sure ahead of time, rather than have everyone confused about what to do if it happens. Thanks. FirstaLasto 18:31, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Was the 3 day block really necessary?[edit]

The IP was editing in good faith, and re-added the content from earlier, with the Mega Evolution description being pretty notable, but with links. That was one revert. They added links the second time around. Three days is a tad (a pretty big one) excessive. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 03:20, 15 July 2014 (EDT)

So you make an unjustified block, and then ignore when someone protests it? Ah, just another example of your incompetent admin capabilities. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 02:02, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

I know that blocking the IP was wrong but, you two, please don't start a harsh war again. It was clearly unhealthy to see this two times, I don't think any of us wants to see another. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Arceus 02:11, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
So we should all just continue to brush Miles' repeated incompetence and inadequacies under the rug, just to falsely maintain "peace"? Such an attitude is what is clearly unhealthy for the wiki. Admins must be held accountable, and if this wiki community is too scared to do so, to the point they will completely ignore a blatant misuse of the block tool and then the admin's ignoring of protest to the issue, then it may be the time that I'm done with the wiki. This is not an isolated incident, this just yet another example of Miles' long continued streak of incompetence, and then his refusing to discuss the matter (seriously, he completely ignored Mega here, and you're going to think that's okay?!) Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 02:32, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
I don't think it's OK at all, but the reason I was silent since the Ridley fiasco is because Miles said he'd try to improve and acknowledged that he's shown despotic behavior (I think on Toomai's and the Mii talk page), and has since then (and before making this rash block) made valued edits and established the format with which we will organize SSBU/3DS data. I overlooked the block (I don't pay much attention to IP's, and I think it happened during the flood of edits that came after Monday's character reveals), which is bad on my part as a member of the community. I strongly advise against leaving the Wiki, as with your whistleblowing we've seen incompetent administrators like Emmett take off, which left an overall positive effect. If you hadn't opposed Toast's and Anon's precarious requests for adminship, they would probably have adminship right now because of many of this wiki's users' tendency to operate with a hivemind ("go with the flow at all costs") mentality, which I admit I've been guilty of that in the past. For that reason a user that's not afraid to smash barriers is requisite. Hivemind also explains why most users are hesitant to call Miles out because he's been with the community for six long years (leading many to always assume good faith, even with actions that raise red flags), or just haven't been paying any attention to Miles' behavior unless it blatantly roadblocks their progress. Comments like "Please don't fight!" are discouraged by the way, Dots, because it basically translates to "be quiet, let's just pretend this didn't happen." I have no personal qualms with Miles, but it doesn't bode well for him that he just blocked an IP without warning him/her first. Also, while I don't currently support demoting him, I do believe that he should begin to respect the ever-growing likelihood of demotion and be more responsive when called out. Lack of reverence is how Emmett, Sky, and other admins from the Wikia days were able to get away with being dicks to everyone outright. blue ninjakoopa 03:30, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
While I'm not on Miles side either, this Miles and OT war kind of thing has been frightening me ever since December 2013. Sure I don't have the power to settle down two admins that oppose each other. If they want to argue for the third time, let that be then (hope Toomai gets those surveys in soon). I personally don't think any demotion on any of the two admins is of necessary action as of right now but I agree with you BNK that Miles should be warned about his demotion should he refuse to take in criticism from users. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The N64 03:55, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
You know, one really good thing about Emmett that the wiki has been sorely missing since, was that he was fully willing to hold admins accountable publically. He's the only other established user I can think of who publically called Miles out on his shit, instead of just badmouthing him on IRC and elsewhere. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 04:03, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

All that happened was my internet crashed when I tried to reply to this yesterday and I forgot to come back to it. I fully admit that I went a bit too far by jumping to the 3-day block and should have issued a warning first instead. OT, all I have to say is that I'm working on improving myself and taking criticism. I've seen little evidence of you doing the same. Miles (talk) 11:06, 16 July 2014 (EDT)

"All that happened was my internet crashed when I tried to reply to this yesterday and I forgot to come back to it."
That should be the immediate first thing you reply to when you get back on; a protested unjustified block, especially of a new good-faith user, isn't something to take lightly and just "forget". Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 08:33, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
My internet has been very choppy lately and I tend to multitask; occasionally things get lost in the shuffle. I already said it was a mistake. Miles (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2014 (EDT)

Just letting you know.[edit]

The user Harro is posing as you, making a comment using your name. Lasifer MaskedManSignatureSprite.PNG 04:28, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

I get that we're on red status and all[edit]

But was a 3 month ban on this guy really necessary? Unless he's some repeat offender with different IPs, a jump from a typical week ban for meh vandalism to a sudden 3 months is just absurd. 09:31, 2 September 2014 (EDT)

It'd certainly be nice if we saw your justification for the block length. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 22:50, 3 September 2014 (EDT)

Samus Gravity Suit distinction[edit]

For the longest time, Samus's pink color was listed as "NES Varia Suit Missile Mode" when, from the 9/3/2014 Smash 4 Post of the Day, Sakurai explicitly lists and confirms her pink color as Gravity Suit from Super Metroid, while the purple color is from Metroid Prime. Can you please undo your change? Listing it as "NES Varia Suit Missile Mode" is simply misinformation, as even prior to Sakurai's PotD, I would have identified it as Super Metroid Gravity Suit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhalt (talkcontribs) 15:25, September 3, 2014 (CDT)

Sakurai is the one in error here. The Gravity Suit is only even close to ambiguously pink or purple in Super Metroid, while every depiction since (Prime, Fusion, Zero Mission, even the Gravity Feature in Other M) are purple. Additionally, the Gravity Suit purple color exists in SSB64 and Melee, both of which pre-date Prime. We can note Sakurai's comparison, but it isn't the actual source of the color scheme. Miles (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
Sorry, but I really think you're trying to push your own interpretation on the colors. The pink Gravity Suit is supposed to only be close to Super Metroid, hence the distinction. The dark purple color existed since SSB64, yes, but it was made to match in Brawl. Notice that, until the Fusion Suit, it has always been made to appear directly after Varia Suit? Why would the Super Metroid Gravity Suit, which actually has an official counterpart as opposed to Black and Green Samus and has a much greater relevance to an obscure palette swap from the NES days, be relegated to only Team Colors? Lhalt (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
The Super Metroid sprite is purple. It's not our fault that Sakurai doesn't seem to believe that. Miles (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
The color is ambiguous. While you might say it's purple, I would argue that it's pink. Color terminology is not so discrete that it becomes one or the other. For example, a red-orange can be called either red or orange depending on the person. The fact of the matter is, Sakurai, an official source himself, has very intentionally labeled these alternates as such. It's not your place to make these interpretations yourself. Lhalt (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
Sakurai is wrong on this subject, so we should note his statement but present a more accurate depiction of what's going on. Also, see SW:OFFICIAL. Miles (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
While it is true that the wiki does not need to rely on official sources, this is a case of presenting opinion as fact. May I ask what gives you the authority to say that Sakurai himself is wrong on an objective matter? Maybe consider the fact that you yourself are wrong, but are simply refusing to admit it? This is very clearly a case of "we designed this alt with 'x' as inspiration": there is no room for interpretation, this is fact because a person with credibility (Sakurai) has said so. We can call Light Blue Samus 'Fusion Suit Samus' without a shadow of a doubt because Sakurai himself has said it is based off Fusion Suit, even though it only shares the same colors of the Fusion Suit and not its shape/form. It is not your place to say 'pink Samus draws inspiration from NES Varia Suit with Missiles' when you yourself have no factual basis for that claim. Remember that you are spreading misinformation that merely relies on opinionated speculation. It is not wrong to say pink Samus and NES Varia Suit with Missiles have similar colors. It IS wrong to say that NES Varia Suit with Missiles is indeed the source, when it can merely be (and most likely is) a coincidence. Lhalt (talk) 21:26, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
Let me spell it out.
  • Samus's light blue color scheme is based on the colors of the Fusion Suit, not its shape, and nobody is claiming otherwise. Same goes with the Dark Suit. We point those out not because Sakurai says so, but because it's what they match.
  • The Gravity Suit in Super Metroid has a green visor, while NES Varia Suit with missiles selected has a blue visor. This matches the visor colors of the purple and pink color schemes in SSB64 and Melee; in Brawl and SSB4, the Gravity Suit also has a blue visor to match Metroid Prime's Gravity Suit. The fact that the pink color had a blue visor (and in fact, was the only alternate visor color in Melee) is very strong evidence towards the NES Metroid source. Additionally, the fact that the purple color scheme changed visor colors to match the Gravity Suit's updated appearance shows it was always intended to reference the Gravity Suit.
Does that clarify things? Miles (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
Because I'm nosy and feel like joining in on this argument to help get a solution, see this. While the sprite doesn't perfectly match either, it is much closer to the purple than the pink. It hardly resembles the pink one at all. ...a new NuttaNutta's Mallo sig.pngis approaching... 21:37, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
And I'd like to add that the ending of Super Metroid clearly shows the suit as purple. The sprite being "somewhat pink" is likely due to its smaller size. --ShadowMario3 (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2014 (EDT)


Why isn' that notable? And that is Sheik's first Playable appereance on a handheld :/Smasher-Billy (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2014 (EDT)

Missed the word playable there, but it still isn't notable. It's the first playable appearance for Sheik, Ganondorf, Olimar, Wii Fit Trainer, R.O.B., Shulk... suffice to say there's too many characters for it to be notable for any of them in particular. Miles (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2014 (EDT)


Why does that has to be gone? Those screenshots are real (I guess, they look very real to me).Smasher-Billy (talk) 05:38, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

While I don't personally doubt Zipzo's accuracy, we're sticking to a consistent basis as to what is considered credible. This is far preferable in this situation to ensure accuracy. Once again, we'll have the full game in under a week and probably a deluge of very reputable videos and Miiverse screenshots. We can afford to wait a few days. Miles (talk) 05:41, 7 September 2014 (EDT)
But we already have a list of trophies and list of music pages? So why can that stay here?Smasher-Billy (talk) 05:50, 7 September 2014 (EDT)
The trophies are visible in various trailers and pics of the day, and the music is in videos as well (Smash Direct, E3 footage, official website, and so on). Those have met the criteria. Miles (talk) 06:07, 7 September 2014 (EDT)


You may get a lot of flack over whether or not you should be an administrator, but I feel it's necessary to point out that you've been a very helpful editor lately, and we'd have a lot of catching up to do if it weren't for your help. Thanks a lot! Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatum 15:56, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Much appreciated, thanks. As always, I'm just trying to help out. Miles (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Your reverts on the Palette Swap article[edit]

Before I get into this, please note that I'm not doing this out of rage for my edit being reverted, (In fact, it takes a lot more than that to piss me off) but simply to question your reasoning for it, with your reason being my supposed lack of research. I actually looked up the colors and found some truth in my edit. So without further adieu, I present my thoughts:

  1. For Charizard's third palette swap from the list, you really can't deny the near-identical color scheme. However, I do see how it could possibly be considered painfully obvious so I'm not gonna push for that one.
  2. For the yellow Diddy Kong ....yeah, pretty much the same deal. The yellow Donkey Kong on the other hand is a different story. It might be hard to tell, but I could see the yellow fur and baby blue tie, which color-wise, is indeed very similar to Kiddy Kong, whose fur and clothes are also yellow and blue respectively. (Here's what he looks like in case you were unsure).
  3. For the purple Fox, I guess I could've worded that one better, as the fur is the only real resemblance to Wolf. So I was partially in the wrong there.
  4. For Rosalina's green recolor, it's pretty trivial info, but if you look close enough in certain games, her dress is indeed darker, (looking at her model in SMG1 compared to her model in MK7 as any indication). Again, your call.
  5. I'm just gonna skip the issues with the Link's Awakening recolor for Toon Link, Luigi's light blue recolor, and the green Kirby, since you weren't the one who removed those.
  6. For the fiasco with the Wii Fit Trainers, the green outfit is indeed based on Wii Fit Plus, so there's nothing wrong there, but in the case of the female variant, the Wii Fit Plus outfit was indeed skimpier than the Wii Fit outfit, as shown when you compare this to this. And since the original game had the more modest outfit, the green palette, (while still technically based on the sequel in terms of color) still has a top that's more like the one in the original, so that's why I added that.
  7. And finally, there's the matter of ZSS' light blue palette swap. Sure, it has no origin within the Metroid series, but I was just pointing out its slight similarity to the Zero Suit's appearance in MP2, in which it had gray patches on it, which the aforementioned recolor also has. Again, just putting this out there.

Well, that wraps it up. I won't re-add this edit until there's a full consensus. And again, please don't take this as confrontational. I don't intend to sound that way at all. I was just a little confused over the revert; in fact, I'm rarely the type to make an objection to a reverted edit like this. Also note that I most likely won't get to see your reply for a while, as I need to go to school and SmashWiki is blocked on those computers.

Sincerely, MeatBall104; Want some fried green tomatoes with that? 01:08, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Given the timing, I'll get back to you on this later. If I don't after a week or something, remind me. Miles (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Request for userpage protection[edit]

Since Tommy barnes has vandalized my userpage, can I have it semi-protected so he won't vandalize it again if he comes back? Berrenta (talk) 20:34, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

Re: Special Move Template[edit]

Greetings. I have come to you with a question. How does one edit the Special Move templates for certain fighters? There were a couple (the Mii fighters ones, for an example) that were inaccurate and I could not figure out how to edit the table to put in the correct information. I believe they have been rectified since then, but I would love to know in case I need this skill in the future. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Toymakers Creation (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

Are you referring to Template:Special Moves? The Miis and Palutena use separate versions since their special moves are more distinct, so there's things like Template:Special Moves/Mii Brawler. Does that clarify things? Miles (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
Yes, yes it does. Many thanks. And while I have you, just one more question. I have been gathering images of the revealed Special Moves, specifically for the Miis at this moment, but it is proving very difficult to grab frames that don't show motion blur. Would it be acceptable for me to use a GIF in place of a still image, until a clear image can be gathered? Toymakers Creation (talk)
Either way, but be sure as usual to tag uploaded game screenshots as fair use and tag low quality images appropriately. Miles (talk) 14:50, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
Ah, right. Apologies, I'm still a bit rusty. Thanks for your patience and advice. Toymakers Creation (talk) 14:53, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
No worries. Any good edits during a busy time like this are appreciated greatly. Miles (talk) 15:00, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

Apologies for that dead redirect page. The original page had a typo in the title (which was my fault too), so I moved it and the redirect was made automatically. Toymakers Creation (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

On an unrelated note, should I create links for the custom variations of moves or simply leave them as regular text? If you would prefer the latter, I can remove the red links I have created.Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
Custom moves for characters other than the Miis and Palutena should be covered in a subheader on the base move's page. Miles (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
I'll have to fix that later, then. Thanks.Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 07:13, 15 September 2014 (EDT)

Character Movesets[edit]

Greetings, I had a question regarding the Moveset sections on character pages. Is there an established standard for how these sections are to be organized and presented? How the moveset section looks varies from character to character, even on the Brawl character pages, with different tables and organization methods throughout. Since movesets aren't out for every fighter yet, I believe now would be a good time to set a standard for how the Moveset section should look. I for one favor the look present on Duck Hunt's page over the tables used on other pages. The tables tend to squish certain information and understanding what each column represents is difficult once the top of the table is scrolled past. The table-less movesets also have the information broken down into particular sections, grouping similar moves together and making location a specific one simple and easy. The extra information (including the "move names", most of which are unofficial and unnecessary, I think) present on tables can just be broken down in extra bullets, like this:

  • Side smash: "Move Name" - Move description.
    • Damage dealt by the move
    • Description of knockback (if necessary/pertinent)
    • Type of damage dealt (present on certain Brawl movesets)
    • Any misc. information

So yes, to return to my original inquiry, I would just like to know if this discussion has already been had and if there is some consensus regarding the consistency of the Moveset section that I am unaware of. Addendum: table-less movesets are also easier to edit, so there is that to consider. Toymaker's Creation VelEye.png "Thank you for your contribution." 15:51, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

There isn't any consistent standard at the moment, but I agree that the bulleted lists are more easily read and edited than the tables. Miles (talk) 16:00, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
Ah, should there perhaps be a public discussion to set the standard, then? It would quell any possible future debates regarding what is proper for that section's presentation. Toymaker's Creation VelEye.png "Thank you for your contribution." 16:03, 17 September 2014 (EDT)
That would certainly be an appropriate thing to start discussion on. Miles (talk) 16:06, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

For the record, we have this template, the intent of which is to be used on all character pages for all games, but it's not yet updated for SSB4. I intend to fix that in the near future. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Quintonic 16:23, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

It's still a table, though, which as previously mentioned is lesser design-wise to the bulleted format. If we do set a standard, it probably should be with the bullets. And I am uncertain how exactly to, uh, start the public discussion. Toymaker's Creation VelEye.png "Thank you for your contribution." 16:30, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Rosalina --> Rosalina & Luma[edit]

I know you oppose a move, and said we should wait for the final build of the game. Shirma Akayaku from Smashboards just provided proof that the name is indeed Rosalina & Luma in the final game. Can you please change the name, or remove the protection so someone else can do it? RoyboyX Talk 18:24, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

That's still only part of the issue. We can afford to wait on this for a bit while we get the rest of the SSB4 news sorted out. Miles (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Glitch?[edit] Igor The Mii (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Me and multiple people have found a troll[edit]

Me and multiple people have found a guy called He's been making new pages and being a complete troll and vandal. He's doing it repeatedly as well.

Want to test this?[edit]

I think we found a solution to the "you need a b'crat to use probation" niggle. Porplemontage went and did a few edits and now the "Add/remove group: Probation" right is part of the admins group (at least it displays as such at Special:ListGroupRights). As an available admin and non-b'crat, could you try this out? You can pick yourself or me to be the target, or if that doesn't work an established user who'll understand it's a test. Toomai Glittershine ??? Le Grand Fromage 18:51, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Also this page badly needs an archive. Toomai Glittershine ??? Le Grand Fromage 18:52, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
Works just fine, as you can see. Also, archiving in a few minutes. Miles (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2014 (EDT)