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Add Order Numbers from Ultimate's E3 video to character pages
Something I feel should be considered, since it more or less covered every character bar a small handful, is adding an entry in the info-boxes of the character pages providing their number (including Echo/Epsilon numbers where relevant). The numbers were so extensive and were pointed specifically by Sakurai, despite mostly just being the order characters appeared in (which only makes sense from one game to the next, but maybe there's a second layer to decide ordering of characters there?), so I feel that adding them is a good idea, though that's only my opinion.
Adding "Ultimate" as part of the stage game appearance section
I have already done this to a couple of pages, but before I continue, I would like to ask if it is okay to continue with this for all of the confirmed stages in Ultimate. I am aware that not everyone wants to know about stages or, more specifically, returning stages that are appearing in a title that has not been released yet. The main purpose of asking this is to make sure that it is okay to label these familiar stages as coming to Ultimate, knowing that some people would prefer not to know until its release. Runwaymadness55 (talk) 22:24, 12 June 2018 (EDT)
I've noticed there's been a bit of a flurry of edits lately regarding pronoun usage for characters with multiple genders (Wii Fit Trainer, Inkling, et al). The current style is using the pronouns of the default choice (so Robin uses male pronouns and Wii Fit Trainer uses female pronouns, for example). While I agree that the entries should probably be rewritten to be more gender-neutral, I think we should use the singular they rather than "(s)he", "his/her", etc. This would make the writing less clunky in comparison while still maintaining neutrality. Any thoughts? DryKirby64 (talk) 21:34, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
Stop putting in frame data/damage values/etc. in Smash Ultimate's Changes sections
I noticed in the Changes sections on character pages, people are writing down changes about frame data/move speed, damage and knockback values, hitbox alterations, launch trajectories, all that specific move detail. A reminder that what we seen at E3 was just a demo and is not fully reflective of the released game; first we don't even know how old the demo was (stuff we seen may have already been outdated), and farther balance adjustments are going to be made. All these values are extremely liable to be altered by the actual released game (remember the Smash 4 E3 2013 demo match where Mega Man's down smash was multi-hitting and dealt over 40% uncharged?), and putting such values in now are misleading readers on how they will be in the released game. As such, any changes about these sort of details should be scrubbed from the character pages and kept off until we actually have the released game in our hands. Keep the changes limited to actual new moves, animations, and mechanical changes (e.g. a move no longer making a character helpless), stuff that will realistically not be changing by release. Omega Tyrant 23:18, 27 June 2018 (EDT)
Replace artwork from Mario Party 10 with artwork from Mario Party: The Top 100 where appropriate.
Mario Party 10 has been out for 3 years; Mario Party: The Top 100 is newer. In addition, it has just about the same quality images. Leave a message if needed 01:03, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
The revival of galleries on tournament pages
For those unaware, in the past, at least for some tournaments, we've had gallery sections showcasing various photos relevant to the tournament. There was never really any talk about keeping or banning it, but it just faded away anyways. I'd really like to see this become a feature on notable major tournaments. My reason for coming here instead of just doing it anyways was so that we can come to a consensus on whether to allow this or not. I personally think it looks really nice and allows for people to see what the tournament looked like. A good example of a nice-looking gallery section would be Apex 2012. Should this become accepted, we should try to come up with a minimum amount of attendance before a tournament qualifies for a gallery section. Pokebub (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
Semi-protect all SSBU character articles
As per SmashWiki is not speculative: "Major articles about unreleased content (such as character articles) will be immediately semi-protected until release to prevent speculation." VoqéoT 03:09, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
Semi-protect Alternate costume (SSBU)
Alright, I've had enough. Let me be clear that I am sick of all the nonsensical edits made to this page, mostly claiming false resemblances, among other things. Also, all other alternate costume pages are protected, so why not this one? Plus, with Ultimate's sheer number of characters, it would be only harder to control when the game releases. Leave a message if needed 03:03, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
Using item / Pokémon / Assist Trophy artwork from the official SSBU website
Would this be alright to do? The official item artwork on the website is a bit small (240x240 for most), but I feel like it works for the thumbnail size. Bomberman already does this (but with slightly higher resolution artwork), and I've provided another example on Chef Kawasaki's page. I know it's probably a silly question, but I want to confirm if it's alright before I go through with it. DryKirby64 (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
Uploading Higher Rez Renders and Images
I happen to possess 4K renders of all the fighters, excluding shulk, falco, and palutena, as well as higher rez versions of all the key visual artwork. I did not resize the images or upscale them in anyway. I was wondering if the wiki would like these assets.--Leafpenguin (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
Making a Shield Breaking Page
I've been on the the wiki for a while now, and can't seem to find a page that collectively shows all the moves that breaks shield. So I was wondering, why not make one. MantiCorgi (talk) 14:31, 4 October 2018 (MT)
Remove Smash Blog quotes
I would like to propose that we remove the Smash Blog quotes from the top of Ultimate pages as I believe they create unnecessary clutter (especially on pages like Saffron City that have 2 quotes on top now), and they have a somewhat notorious history with typos (more infamously, Sheik's gender). VoqéoT 14:47, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Oppose In the case of there being only one quote at the top of the article, I personally think that's fine. The only articles that have more than one are the ones that quote multiple instruction books right? So what if instead of outright removing them, we actually make a section (and maybe a fancy table) for them towards the bottom of the article, like maybe after the trophy description in items' case, or before the origin section.17:07, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Most of the opposition responses here don't address issue of typos and inaccuracies. Whether it's at the top or bottom of the article, why should we include quotes that are riddled with errors? Where do we draw the line? If the blog post tomorrow says "Roy's sword is strongest at it's tip" or "Captain Falcon's Final Smash unleashes the devastating Warlock Punch on all opponent," are those essential official quotes we have to include? SuperFalconBros (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Vehement support. These page-top quotes from manuals and the official site are the laziest kind of cruft and bloat, and do little but push down the actual article - especially on pages like Home-Run Bat which have several. I think we'd have a much cleaner, more legible set of page intros without these cluttering things up. Miles (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
For all those supporting for errors, you do know you can just slap on the [sic] tag, right? Sheik and Ganondorf's SSBU pages have it. Leave a message if needed 18:11, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Absolutely not. First off, there's no clutter about a properly-inserted quotebox, and second, a typo can be highlighted with a [sic] tag. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 18:35, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Get pagetop quotes the hell off this wiki. They might deserve to be on the page, but nothing but maintenance templates should be above an article's introductory sentence. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 18:58, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Move them to another part of the page like in a section of their own or something like that. Official quotes are interesting enough to be put in an article but should probably not be the first sentences you read in an article, especially if they're inaccurate. Ponyshment 19:07, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Oppose, for the reasons stated above (I'll also be partially biased since I started this to begin with :P). I do support moving it, maybe on its own section along other quotes, since I'm having trouble figuring out where they otherwise fit in as the pages are currently. — Nokii (T·C·L) 19:58, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Oppose, for the reasons stated above. I don't find it too cluttered if there's more than one quote, and if others believe so, there can always be a quote section. SugarCookie420 (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Another blog post, another worthless and vague at best, simply incorrect at worst statement that we're enshrining in the wiki: "[Shulk] is the only fighter that can change his status during battle." Now what does that even mean? Well, by almost any definition, except "the only fighter that can use Monado arts," this is untrue. Wii Fit Trainer and Cloud can both change their character attributes. Can anyone opposing this proposal make an argument why this kind of nonsensical bloat deserves to be in the fighter articles? SuperFalconBros (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
Support per Miles and Toomai. I would suggest however, that we move all the Smash blog quotes and manual quotes onto their own pages. Something like "List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate character quotes" and "List of Super Smash Bros. manual quotes". Even then, I still think that'd be a bit excessive, but a good midpoint for supports and opposers. Pokebub (talk) 00:45, 15 October 2018 (EDT)
In the interest of facilitating discussion and finding a compromise, it seems that most users are against deleting the comments altogether, while most of the people who want them removed say they would support storing them somewhere else on the page. Does relocating them to a section lower down on the page, perhaps just above or below the Trivia section, have support? – Emmett 10:56, 15 October 2018 (EDT)
Support this idea, as already stated above. The quotes fit well in a section just above the Trivia, especially in the case of SSBU fighters, having the quote just below the character showcase video, which is also how it is on the blog itself. Ponyshment 11:16, 15 October 2018 (EDT)
Creating a page for Vergeben's Rumors
I kinda talked about it here, but I want some actual input. Vergeben's rumors is by far the most popular leak currently out there, since it is currently mostly accurate. Since Gematsu leaks and the ESRB leaks have their own page, why not Vergeben's? I honestly think we should wait, however, at the same time there is a lot of news in that section that could be placed in their own page. SugarCookie420 (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
Support - Vergeben's rumors have definitely reached the Gematsu and ESRB leaks' levels of discussion. I was going to suggest we wait, but I realized that it'd be kind of counter-intuitive considering the Gematsu leak page was created during it's period of relevancy. Pokebub (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2018 (EDT)
Support - As Pokebub said, the rumors are pretty huge and start to look like a real leak. -126.96.36.199 07:47, 15 October 2018 (EDT)
Assist Trophy infobox art
I'd like to propose that Assist Trophy characters have the art used on their pages' infoboxes be their home series official art, with their Smash art/renders, if available, under appropriate game-by-game subheaders. This would make them consistent in layout with the pages for playable characters and with each other. Right now our situations are very inconsistent; Alucard, for example, has his SSBU render in the infobox, Sablé Prince has his home series art in the infobox, Barbara has her Brawl art, etc. (This results form Brawl having art for all ATs, SSB4 none, and Ultimate only some.) This standardization would solve this issue. Miles (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
Just started on this by changing the infobox art to official art in the cases where it's already available on the wiki. The next step is uploading official art for characters who don't have it here. DryKirby64 (talk) 18:47, 25 October 2018 (EDT)
I was wondering if it's possible to extend it to character pages as a whole, I have Pokémon pages in mind; if Assist Trophy pages can have it, why not every character? SugarCookie420 (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2018 (EDT)
(Retracted) Give E3 2018 presentation its own section
The way the Nintendo Direct page is set up, only "Super Smash Bros. Directs" have their own sections, while everything else gets a bullet point under the "Standard Nintendo Directs" header. This does a disservice to the E3 2018 presentation for Ultimate, which was about as long as most dedicated Smash Directs and revealed plenty of stuff. Is anyone opposed to moving it to its own section? We can leave the bullet point and add "see #E32018-Anchor" to it to point people to the full section. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:33, 30 October 2018 (EDT)
Create a page on SSB4's Ice Climbers glitch
I think the Ice Climbers glitch (which allows players to control multiple characters with a single controller) should have a page or at least a section somewhere. I couldn't seem to find an existing one. This is just a suggestion. This was also my first fourm post; please let me know if I did something wrong. Everone123 (talk) 16:00, 1 November 2018 (EDT)
Nobody seems to object, so I might go ahead and make it; I'm just worried because the wiki has a red status right now. Everone123, the one who edits on a flip phone (talk) 13:08, 12 November 2018 (EST)
If it wasn’t clear in the below proposal, I still oppose this and support having a page for notable glitches, which this would definitely get a section on. 188.8.131.52 14:19, 14 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105
The only opposition so far has been 184.108.40.206; does anyone else have input on this? Everone123, the one who edits on a flip phone (sometimes) (talk) 15:39, 14 November 2018 (EST)
My device can no longer properly edit this discussion due to its size. I will not be able to reply here from this point. Everone123, the one who edits on a flip phone (sometimes) (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2018 (EST)
I've made the article, Multiple player slot glitch. Further discussion on the article's name, or whether it should be an article (if aforementioned "list of glitches" proposal passes), would probably be best suited on its talk page. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2018 (EST)
This document contains some info on spirits https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IWYbSlTZ9lxXjjZFXetT3Y4irOTMl3KPCpToExcZBf0 --220.127.116.11 16:01, 11 November 2018 (EST)
List of Major/Notable glitches
So, I think we should have a page for list of well known/major glitches. As it stands, only a few glitches have pages, and the ones that do are incredibly short and don’t really deserve a page so much as a section on a page. This could cover well known things, like SSB4’s Ice Climbers and agh Lay glitches. Currently, a couple are mentioned on the glitch page, and a few have their own pages, but most aren’t mentioned as well. What do you guys think. Some that currently have them (ala this) have pages don’t really deserve them especially over things like the eponymous IC glitch. 18.104.22.168 14:17, 14 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105
New template for sidegrades
The wiki's current use of a single change template means that there is no way to provide a clear visual distinction between a mechanical sidegrade to a move and an aesthetic difference. It often gets even more confusing considering all of the pages have their own "aesthetics" section to begin with.
It seems very odd to effectively put descriptions such as these under the same "category":
Dr. Mario's head mirror now produces a reflection of the opponent's Social Security number when they are grabbed.
Clean neutral aerial does 0.01% more damage.
To this, I suggest that a new template, named "side," "sidegrade," etc. be added, colored yellow with a "=" sign, keeping in theme with buff and nerf and being visually distinct from change . Here's a mockup: https://imgur.com/cywaGPm (and if concerns arise about being too similar to bugfix , it may be purple, orange, whatever). Luigiofthegods
New page for the Smash Bros. Countdown
Similar to the character posters from SSB4, the Japanese Smash Bros. Twitter is currently hosting a countdown where various series' official Twitter accounts participate with either new artwork, screenshots, or—in Mario's case—a promo video. I think it'd be ideal to host them on a page here for easy reference; would that be okay? It'd take a bit of work to get it up and running, but it would still be nice to have. DryKirby64 (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2018 (EST)
Music for Spirit Battles
Short hop damage multiplier template for Smash Ultimate
So, I think I'm the only person right now currently working on the moveset lists for all the newcomers, and I ran into this problem early on. Short hop attacks have a 0.85% damage multiplier in Ultimate, which means aerial attacks had to consist of both full hop and short hop damage numbers. After doing both K. Rool's and Inkling's, the aerial attack percentages got extremely cluttered due to the necessity of listing both types, which got worse when there's sourspots or different hitboxes to list.
Now you won't see something like ...
But instead it's...
I got yelled at for not proposing this before implementing it, but it's significantly better on readability. I'm putting this here for support because I definitely think it will help for future editors wanting to create moveset tables for this game. The format is already on King K. Rool, Inkling, and Simon's pages for reference. Mexi (talk) 21:08, 9 December 2018 (EST)
Add Ultimate "Move List" descriptions to special move pages.
Ultimate has a "Move List" which can be accessed through the Help option on the dashboard or through an option while the game is paused. It gives a brief summary of each fighter's four special moves and Final Smash. I noticed that this is essentially the same thing as previous games' instruction manuals, which many special moves include descriptions from already. On this basis, I think we should add the special move descriptions from Ultimate's Move List to special move pages. They are fairly concise, so they should fit fine, and I think they are informative enough to justify their inclusion. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 12:48, 20 December 2018 (EST)
Monado Art/Vision Sliding technique page split
This has been on my mind for a very long time and has been noted multiple times on the Monado Art discussion page, and considering that the latest requests were completely ignored, I feel that it is justified to ask for this here.
I believe the "Monado Art Landing Lag Cancel" section and all its respective techniques of the Monado Art page and (for the same reasons) "Vision Sliding" on the Vision page should be given their own respective pages. I'm quite determined to make it happen since there's a few factors:
Thank you for reading and please show your stand on this. To be frank, as I was the author of the Shulk pages, I may go ahead and split the pages regardless as I put in all the effort to make them as they were now. All I wish to do is improve readability and give Shulk's techs credit where it is due. Mexi (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2019 (EST)
Use the Other Symbol instead of Special Stages
We've been using Battlefield (SSBM)'s unique symbol for minor universes that don't have a symbol. But now that Ultimate has a symbol representing the minor universes that is used in the music tracks and spirits, I think we should start using what's recognized as the "Other" series symbol instead of that one symbol from a Smash original stage. SeanWheeler (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Hazard Switch Details on Stage Pages
I was actually rather surprised to see that the information for what gets turned off when you play a stage in Ultimate with hazards switched off is only present on the page for Stage hazard itself. Considering it causes rather large changes to stages in some cases (such as both Pokémon Stadiums staying in regular mode forever and the Falcon Flyer being the only platform on Big Blue) and can influence what stages are viable competitively, I think it would be pertinent to host this information on the pages for the levels themselves. Mega Mario Man (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2019 (EST)
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