Olimar (SSBU)/Forward smash: Difference between revisions

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Hitbox visualization showing Olimar's Red Pikmin forward smash.

Hitbox visualization showing Olimar's Yellow Pikmin forward smash.

Hitbox visualization showing Olimar's Blue Pikmin forward smash.

Hitbox visualization showing Olimar's White Pikmin forward smash.

Hitbox visualization showing Olimar's Purple Pikmin forward smash.

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Overview[edit]

Update History[edit]

2.0.0

Created a glitch where smash attacks would not have their damage outputs scale when charged.

3.0.0

Forward smash deals less shield damage.
Olimar's smash attacks now properly have their damage scale when charged.

3.1.0

Forward smash's clean hit has a shorter duration, with the mid and late hits having a longer duration instead (frames 11-14 (clean)/15-20 (mid)/21-29 (late) → 11-12/13-19/20-29).
Forward smash has more ending lag (FAF 40 → 43).

4.0.0

Forward smash's range has been increased when using Purple Pikmin, reverting to its pre-3.1.0 behavior.

12.0.0

Forward Smash's clean hit has a longer duration (11-12 → 11-13). The mid hit was made shorter to compensate.

Hitboxes[edit]

Compared to other smash attacks, Olimar's forward smash has a lower maximum charge damage multiplier, capping at 1.2× instead of 1.4×, and can only be held for up to 60 frames after reaching full charge instead of 120 frames.

ID	Part	Rehit rate	Damage	SD	Angle type	BK	KS	FKV	Radius	Bone	Offset			H×	SDI×	T%	Sound	Hit bits	Hit part
Clean Red Pikmin
0	0	0	20.3%	-10.0	Speed-based	33	75	0	4.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Fire	All	All
Mid Red Pikmin
0	0	0	14.0%	-7.0	Speed-based	33	75	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Fire	All	All
Late Red Pikmin
0	0	0	8.4%	-4.2	Speed-based	33	75	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Fire	All	All
Clean Yellow Pikmin
0	0	0	14.5%	-7.2	Speed-based	33	94	0	6.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Electric	All	All
Mid Yellow Pikmin
0	0	0	10.0%	-5.0	Speed-based	33	94	0	4.5	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Electric	All	All
Late Yellow Pikmin
0	0	0	6.0%	-3.0	Speed-based	33	94	0	4.5	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Electric	All	All
Clean Blue Pikmin
0	0	0	14.5%	-7.2	Speed-based	33	94	0	4.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Mid Blue Pikmin
0	0	0	10.0%	-5.0	Speed-based	33	94	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Late Blue Pikmin
0	0	0	6.0%	-3.0	Speed-based	33	94	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Clean White Pikmin
0	0	0	11.6%	-5.3	Speed-based	33	94	0	4.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Mid White Pikmin
0	0	0	8.0%	-4.0	Speed-based	33	94	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Late White Pikmin
0	0	0	4.8%	-2.4	Speed-based	33	94	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Punch	All	All
Clean Purple Pikmin
0	0	0	23.2%	-11.6	Speed-based	33	75	0	4.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Mid Purple Pikmin
0	0	0	16.0%	-8.0	Speed-based	33	75	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Late Purple Pikmin
0	0	0	9.6%	-4.8	Speed-based	33	75	0	3.0	head1	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All

Timing[edit]

Charges between	6-7
Red, Yellow, Blue and White Pikmin	11-13, 14-19, 20-29
Purple Pikmin	11-13, 14-18, 19-24
Interruptible	43
Animation length	43

Non-Purple
Purple
Olimar

Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag time	Charge interval	Hitbox	Hitbox change	Prop event	Interruptible

Pikmin parameters[edit]

Purple Pikmin have altered physics compared to other types: on frame 11 (when thrown), they have their horizontal speed reduced by 0.9 and their vertical speed increased by 0.4, then on frame 16, their horizontal speed is set to 0.5 and their vertical speed is removed. This causes them to cover a considerably shorter distance.

Initial horizontal speed	3.2
Friction	0.18
Minimum horizontal speed	0.5
Maximum horizontal speed	3
Initial vertical speed	0.7
Gravity	0.06
Rotation speed	22.9183°

Olimar's moveset

Neutral attack (1 · 2) · Forward tilt · Up tilt · Down tilt · Dash attack · Forward smash · Up smash · Down smash
Neutral aerial · Forward aerial · Back aerial · Up aerial · Down aerial
Grab · Pummel · Forward throw · Back throw · Up throw · Down throw
Floor attack (front) · Floor attack (back) · Floor attack (trip) · Edge attack
Neutral special · Side special · Up special · Down special · Final Smash

Olimar (SSBU)/Forward smash: Difference between revisions

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Hitboxes[edit]

Timing[edit]

Pikmin parameters[edit]

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 {{competitive expertise}}
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+==Update History==
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+*{{newbug|Created a glitch where smash attacks would not have their damage outputs scale when charged.}}
+'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|3.0.0}}'''
+*{{nerf|Forward smash deals less shield damage.}}
+*{{bugfix|Olimar's smash attacks now properly have their damage scale when charged.}}
+'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|3.1.0}}'''
+*{{nerf|Forward smash's clean hit has a shorter duration, with the mid and late hits having a longer duration instead (frames 11-14 (clean)/15-20 (mid)/21-29 (late) → 11-12/13-19/20-29).}}
+*{{nerf|Forward smash has more ending lag (FAF 40 → 43).}}
+'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|4.0.0}}'''
+*{{buff|Forward smash's range has been increased when using Purple Pikmin, reverting to its pre-3.1.0 behavior.}}
+'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|12.0.0}}'''
+*{{buff|Forward Smash's clean hit has a longer duration (11-12 → 11-13). The mid hit was made shorter to compensate.}}
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+{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|hitboxchange=y|charge=y|prop=y|interruptible=y}}
+==Pikmin parameters==
+Purple Pikmin have altered physics compared to other types: on frame 11 (when thrown), they have their horizontal speed reduced by 0.9 and their vertical speed increased by 0.4, then on frame 16, their horizontal speed is set to 0.5 and their vertical speed is removed. This causes them to cover a considerably shorter distance.
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+|-
+!Minimum horizontal speed
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+|-
+!Maximum horizontal speed
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+|-
+!Initial vertical speed
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+|-
+!Gravity
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+|-
+!Rotation speed
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+|}
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 [[Category:Olimar (SSBU)]]
 [[Category:Forward smashes (SSBU)]]