Template talk:Infobox Stage

Songs

Which style of displaying the available songs is preferred: the old or the new? Miles (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

That's a tough one...I think if you used <small> on the infobox version it'd work the best, since the info belongs in the infobox but causes it to stretch quite a bit. Toomai Glittershine 19:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

I prefer the new way. Unknown the Hedgehog 20:02, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Here's with more <small> tags. Miles (talk) 20:03, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Sorry to bring up an old topic, but it still seems relevant. Are we going to stay with the old way (having a separate section for the "My Music" songs) or the new way (having the songs in the stages' infobox)? Unknown the Hedgehog 12:00, 23 October 2011 (EDT)

I say keep as it is, now the songs are getting their own articles. ToastUltimatum Complaints Box 12:11, 23 October 2011 (EDT)

The infobox can have the music listed and linked to their respective articles. Unknown the Hedgehog 18:52, 5 February 2012 (EST)

Yeah, I now think it would look nicer to have the tracks within the infobox, as otherwise, the articles just have another header with not too much underneath it. Also, the How to Unlock section should also be moved into the infobox, as having a whole header on Green Hill Zone for How to Unlock just to have "Unlock Sonic" written underneath it is a waste of space. Toast ltimatum 06:15, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Bug

{{#ifeq: 1 | 1 | or a variation of this seems to be appearing on every page with this infobox. I have had a quick look but can't see anything straight away. Could someone else have a look? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:06, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I'm not seeing it Solar Dragon. I'm pretty sure that this is an individual problem, not a community problem.--MegaTron1XD 09:29, 14 November 2010 (EST)

No, it was a real problem; you could see it on the template page. I think I fixed it. Toomai Glittershine 09:58, 14 November 2010 (EST)

Looks fixed to me. Thanks. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 11:19, 14 November 2010 (EST)

In case you don't see it on that talk page, there seems to be an error with Saffron City. The link and parameter won't show in the infobox. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 11:36, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I'd still rather see it at the bottom, but this is a temporary workaround. I think it has something to do with the existence or non-existence of a Tournament legal (SSBB) section; when there wasn't one because a stage isn't in Brawl, the interwiki section (which shows below that section normally) wasn't shown either. Miles (talk) 11:52, 14 November 2010 (EST)

Interwiki standardizing

There's an inconsistency in how this is being used. For example, should a link on Jungle Japes go to mariowiki:Jungle Japes or mariowiki:Jungle Japes (Stage)? Miles (talk) 14:46, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I think they should go to the area themselves and not the stage. We already have the stages covered here on Smashwiki, so why are we linking to another Wiki for them to explain something already said here? For example, I changed the interwiki link on Spear Pillar from "Spear Pillar (stage)" to just "Spear Pillar". Unknown the Hedgehog 14:49, 14 November 2010 (EST)

In the case of the Pokemon Stadiums, should they link to the Bulbapedia articles on the stages or else the article on the Pokemon Stadium games? Thoughts? Miles (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I don't think that linking a stage to a game that happens to have the same name is very helpful. Toomai Glittershine 15:27, 14 November 2010 (EST)

Export a section of this template

Would it be possible to export the interwiki section of this template, so other templates may us it? Tacopill (talk) 13:31, 29 December 2010 (EST).

That is possible, and would remove a lot of duplicate code. I'll have a look at it later. Toomai Glittershine The Inconceivable 13:39, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Sounds good. Tacopill (talk) 16:14, 29 December 2010 (EST).

Alright, I think I have something ready to go. No stages have more than one interwiki link, right? Toomai Glittershine The Golden 18:49, 30 January 2011 (EST)

Depends - are we talking about multiple wikilinks to the same wiki (I don't think it happens with *this* infobox, but it does in several, especially {{AssistTrophy}}), or wikilinks to multiple wikis? (there could be cause - e.g., MarioWiki's coverage of a lot of Donkey Kong stuff is better than DKwiki's - but I don't know that we have any active examples).

PS - I think ZeldaWiki should be flipped to blue when you're putting the colours in, for reasons which should be clear :) - Reboot (talk) 19:09, 30 January 2011 (EST)

1. Would it be possible to do more than one interwiki link? or do you guys have a specific policy against it?
2. I don't think the reasons are as clear as you say they are. I see lots of green, and some yellow.

Sorry for the late response, Tacopill (talk) 15:20, 1 February 2011 (EST).

If you mean "interwiki links to multiple wikis". I'm not sure, honestly (although it hasn't been encouraged).

ZeldaWiki's background is blue (with insets backgrounded in a different shade of blue). That was all I was saying there. - Reboot (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2011 (EST)

I can't think of any reason that we'd want to link to more than one wiki from the infobox. Miles (talk) 16:27, 1 February 2011 (EST)

Because if there's anywhere with two links, it would double the number of necessary parameters, which while acceptable would need to be known in advance.

Also, when choosing the wiki representation colours, I didn't really have a pattern such as "match their skin" or "match main character". It was just done by feel, like "Link's green", "Kirby's pink", "Star Fox team is blue", "Bulbapedia should be green", and so on. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 17:48, 1 February 2011 (EST)

1. 1)Not that i saying you should, but you could add more than one wiki link without needing more parameters. See my sandbox for more an example.
2. 2) And the color-choosing scheme makes sense to me.

Tacopill (talk) 10:33, 2 February 2011 (EST).

out of curiosity

If you don't mind me asking, what does this do?

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I've seen <includeonly> & </includeonly>, and i am aware what adding a pipe character (|) does to a variable; but i have never seen them together. Tacopill (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2011 (EST).

Depending on how things are/have to be coded, the pipe may interfere with other parts of the template. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 17:50, 1 February 2011 (EST)

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thank you, Tacopill (talk) 10:34, 2 February 2011 (EST).

5-Player Smash Stage Availability

"8-Player Compatible?" is currently used for the availability of each stage in 8 Player Smash, but what about 5/6 Player Smash?

This image(source unknown) says that 5/6 Player Smash will have more stages available than 7/8 Player Smash. How should this be handled on the template? Dracyoshi (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2014 (EST)

I'd advocate reworking it to "maximum players" and listing four/six/eight appropriately. Miles (talk) 23:59, 7 November 2014 (EST)

We also need to list the maximum capacity of it's omega variant, for instance, GCO Omega can't have 8-players and Luigi's Mansion omega can while it's standard cannot. Laikue (talk | contribs) 00:01, 8 November 2014 (EST)

SSB4 Triples?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNd3F76CxIw There are triples tournaments. Do you think this should be added to the template? --ComJay (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

Until these start being a way bigger deal competitively, I don't think there's a rush to include them. Miles (talk) 22:45, 6 August 2015 (EDT)

Image captions

This was discussed on Discord a little bit, but I figured I might as well bring the topic here to get more opinions to reach a consensus. Some stage articles have captions under the main image stating which game the image is taken from, while others do not. For example: Bridge of Eldin's caption states that the image is from Smash 4 for Wii U, while Temple is just blank. To make all the stage infoboxes consistent with each other, should they all have a caption, or just all be blank? VoqéoT 02:33, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

Stage prefixes

A small discussion on Discord took place about if the way we display stage prefixes should change, and, if so, in what manner? The discussion initially started as possibly intergrating the grayscale logos that are used ingame, but later on was agreed to be a bad idea since it would be 1) inconsistent with Melee's stage prefixes since it doesn't use game logos; and 2) Grayscale is generally unappealing to look at for most people to have them in infoboxes.

However, a couple of different ideas later emerged. The first was to keep the prefixes on the very top, but replace parenthesis that explain which game used what prefix with game icons, thereby removing some clutter. The second was to add the stage prefixes in a row below the image with game icons next to their respective prefixes. This method: 1) Removes clutter from the top of the infoboxes of stages that have multiple prefixes throughout the Smash games, and just leaves the name of the stage on top; 2) Avoids the clutter of having to use parentheses explaining which games use the prefix, but still coherently indicating the game with use of the game icons; and 3) In general, imo, just looks neater overall. Here are some examples of the ideas, and where we can have a discussion to reach a consensus before integrating this:

• Option 1: On top of the infobox with game icons
• Option 2: Infobox with game icons.
  • A: above "Universe".
  • B: above "Appears in".
  • C: above "Home stage to" (Also, I put Zelda II as Ultimate's prefix as just an example in case we ever have a stage that gets more than two prefixes throughout the series; Temple's Ultimate prefix hasnt been confirmed yet.)
• Option 3: Other.
• Option 4: Leave them the way they are now.

Personally, I vote either Option 2A or 2B. VoqéoT 14:13, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

Option 4 I don't see anything wrong with the way we have them now. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 14:40, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm not a huge fan of any of the options, but here's a thought (so I guess Option 3): could we split "stage prefix" from "source game"? The "stage prefixes" (i.e., "Hyrule" for Temple, "Eagleland" for Onett, etc.) were only a thing in Melee. We could then put the "source game" at the top of the infobox where it currently is (so, for example, Temple in your example circumstance would have "The Legend of Zelda / Zelda II: The Adventure of Link ") and the "stage prefix" could be an infobox row. Or vice versa, I suppose, although there are more stages with corresponding "source games" than "stage prefixes". TheNuttyOne 17:46, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

Support Option 3 provided by TheNuttyOne, the second variant to be precise: Melee prefix where it currently is, because it just makes sense to have the prefix be just above the stage name, and "Source game" as an infobox row just below the "Universe" row, as the game logo is not really a prefix to the stage name to begin with (especially in the Wii U version where it shows up really far away from the name of the stage). Ponyshment 18:21, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

My own option 3: in the case of a Melee stage, feature its prefix before the name (in the same area as the name in terms of the template), and feature the game above. In the case where only one is applicable (game name or location), we list one without the other. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 20:29, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

Ooh, I like Aidan's Option 3 better than mine. TheNuttyOne 20:34, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

My main issues with seperating stage prefix and having a row called "source game" based on the prefixes of stages in Brawl onward, or something along those lines, are: 1) Not all the stages have accurate source games (e.g., New Pork City in Brawl saying it's from "EarthBound"); 2) Some are just vague (e.g , Green Greens saying "Kirby"); and some are both vague and not totally correct (e.g., Lylat Cruise saying "Star Fox" while it's mostly inspired by "Star Fox: Assault" specefically. Calling them prefixes atleast acknowledges that this is what the Smash Bros. games are calling these stages, and not us just being wrong or vague. VoqéoT 01:21, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

You could just name the row "stage logo" or something similar. But anyway Aidan's option 3 sounds like it also solves your issues, and looks acceptable as well, so I support it. Ponyshment 09:03, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

The "issue" was more of trying remove unnecessary clutter from the top, where the name of the stage belongs, that could easily be categorized into row boxes. That's why I opted for Option 2 as opposed to 1. Option 1 is basically Aidan's Option 3, but with game icons. And Option 3 is fine for any any stage that hasn't changed game logos since Brawl (unlike New Pork City or Halberd, which you would still need game icons or parenthesis indicating which Smash game uses that logo) or in the Temple scenario in Option 2C if we ever have to deal with more than two different prefixes for a stage. I believe it's better to use a system that keeps the prefix info in row boxes in a consistent manner that applies to all stages, which Option 2 does. VoqéoT 09:44, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

I don't see it as all that cluttered, anyway. Option 2's infobox cells look more cluttered, honestly, although I think that would be fixed if the game icons were placed after the words instead of before. But I still don't like having the quite clearly different location and game stage prefixes combined. Aidan's option has the benefit of not actually referring to them as "source games", so it doesn't matter when they're inaccurate/vague. TheNuttyOne 12:26, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

The icons can be placed afterward, no problem. As for the having "location" and "source game" be combined as "stage prefix", this is in conformity with the stage prefix article; it lists both all the "locations" and "source games" as stage prefixes. "Location" may not be the same thing as "source game", but they are still prefixes to the stage regardless. Option 2 1) has the same exact benefit of not worrying about inaccurate/vague "source games" by just calling them by their generic term: "stage prefix", which, as previously stated, we already do in the stage prefix article; and 2) actually identifies what they are rather than floating text above the stage name with no context. VoqéoT 12:51, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

I mean. We would just change the prefixes article, too. TheNuttyOne 18:39, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

Change in the article in what way? Splitting it into two articles of "locations" and "game origins". They're still the same thing regardless of whether it's location or source game: a prefix. VoqéoT 18:54, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

(reset indent) I present a slight modification to my own option 3: in the case of a stage with multiple game titles throughout the series, we present them all with their respective icons. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 16:36, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

Though I still would rather see the prefixes in the infobox, I would rather see less clutter on top of the box and find this a satisfactory compromise. VoqéoT 16:49, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

Two possible Ultimate-related tweaks

1. Replacing "Maximum players" with "Maximum players ", since in Ultimate all stages support 8 players.
2. Pre-emptive, but instead of listing all songs for a stage for Ultimate, perhaps we should simply link to the "List of ____ music (____ series)" pages, to match how Ultimate's My Music seems to work? Alternatively, these should start being in mini expand/collapse boxes by game, since the Ultimate lists are likely to be very long.

Thoughts? Miles (talk) 19:36, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

Bump? Miles (talk) 01:24, 10 September 2018 (EDT)

1. We should definitely go with this idea if the latter is true.
2. Not too sure about this one. The track lists for previous titles aren't too long. We could always just stick to the current way and just link to "List of ____ music (____ series)" pages underneath "In Ultimate" anyways.
That's what I think anyways. Pokebub (talk) 01:56, 10 September 2018 (EDT)

1. Yea, we should probably do that.
2. I'm on the fence on this one too. I guess it would depend (for example, no Mario stage should get it, since there's two Mario lists in Ultimate). Aidan, the Rurouni 08:23, 10 September 2018 (EDT)

Axe or rework the hometo parameter

The home stage concept has only really been a truly unique per-character aspect in Melee and maybe Ultimate on the website. In all other games, it is just "x character is from the same universe as y stage", or "x character from a different universe is unlocked on this stage". It's kind of a boring and almost redundant parameter to have, especially when the characters' unlock stages are written in prose. From what I understand on the page. I was originally going to rework each stage to only include the stages listed on the home stage page since by Ultimate only one or two characters have that home stage instead of every character in that universe, but then I found out that melee stages in brawl, which are explicitly stated to not be used as home stages on that page, are still listed as home stages on individual pages. I would not be opposed to keeping it but reworking it as simply which characters are unlocked on that stage. Unnamed anon (talk) 12:29, December 31, 2022 (EST)