Talk:Arsène

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Deletion[edit]

I have next to no knowledge of the Persona series, let alone Persona 5. However, I believe that, at most, this page should be moved and become a draft until actual confirmation, similar to the Ubisoft page, as Arsene was present in the trailer, and (from what I can tell) is a major part of the Joker in his own game. SugarCookie420 (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2019 (EST)

Opposed. Arsene was clearly depicted in Jokers trailer, and he is the default persona Joker has access too in the game when his powers are unlocked. Arsene is tied directly to joker's character, like Madama Butterfly is to Bayonetta, and the Pikmin are to Olimar. Joker literally cant use any of his magical abilities without Arsene.
Ixbran (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2019 (EST)
Oppose Echoing the above; it also isn't "ambiguous" as to whether or not Arsene gets his own article, as we have pages for Madama Butterfly, the Pikmin, and Lumas, all of which are an integral part of Bayonetta's, Olimar's, and Rosalina's movesets (respectively). Aidan, the Celebratory Rurouni 10:31, 8 January 2019 (EST)
If we want to have it like Ubisoft, however, I can move this to my userspace, and then move it back should we need it, or delete it if we don't. Aidan, the Celebratory Rurouni 10:32, 8 January 2019 (EST)

So... is this enough for a consensus? SugarCookie420 (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2019 (EST)

The proposition to delete it has been up since th e 3rd, and it is now the 18th and so far the only people to comment on the subject oppose the deletion. so i think yeah its been long enough.
Ixbran (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2019 (EST)

The recent move[edit]

While the name is definitely canon in Persona 5 Royal, the tips in Smash Ultimate all don’t have the è, instead having a regular e. Considering how this is Smash Wiki and not Persona Wiki, shouldn’t the page be more reflective on how it is in Smash instead of Persona? 72.203.118.154 00:20, April 2, 2020 (EDT)


It's just an è it's fine Thegameandwatch (talk) 04:00, April 2, 2020 (EDT)

While the accent mark is incredibly minor, and Arsene's name itself also minor (only showing up in tips from what I can tell), I think we still should prioritize how it's spelled in Smash itself. Unless someone has an example of another time when we've named a page a more canonical name over what it was in Smash. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 17:12, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
I think the è spelling not being in smash was probably a mistake carried over from the original Persona 5. Also, other pages like the Giant Goomba are not using the official name on this website so it really doesn't matter. Thegameandwatch (talk) 17:17, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
You mentioned SW:OFFICIAL in your edit summary, and yeah, that's applicable here. After my initial message, I started thinking that since Royal released, people are probably going to start prioritizing "Arsène" as the accepted spelling (unless they can't be bothered to copy an "è"), and it's probably better to go with a name more accepted by the community anyway. JamesJH-Heartless.pngHeart 17:55, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, I agree. I feel like SW:OFFICIAL could definitely apply here. Aykrivwassup (talk) 22:03, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

First off the page should not have been moved in the first place because there wasn't a consensus. Even though it's a minor thing, what we prioritize is whatever name is used in Smash. However if the community prefers a different name rather than the official name, then we use the name that the community prioritizes (eg "SDI" over "hitstun shuffling"). 001Toad.jpg OmegαToαd the Toαd Wαrrior (BUP) 18:05, April 5, 2020 (EDT)

I'll admit - I'm the one that moved it; however, I only did so because somehow someone moved the talk page without moving the main page. So I basically did it for consistency. Perhaps I should have just moved this one back though, given the debate I've started ^_^' Though personally I do think we should keep the change, but in the end it's up to the community. Aykrivwassup (talk) 21:52, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
The talk page was moved during April Fools Day. For all I know it was a prank. 72.203.118.154 15:30, May 7, 2020 (EDT)

Personally, It really depends if the update changes the name for Arsene to Arsené in update 8.0.0. So really we will have to wait til June. S3AHAWKS3AHAWK Signature icon 1.pngS3AHAWK signature icon 2.png (Talk) 20:57, April 25, 2020 (EDT)

But until that happens, we should just say that Arsène is just a one-off. And Arsene is still how it’s spelled in Ultimate anyhow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.166.103.61 (talkcontribs) 16:00, May 4, 2020

While I'd normally say we go with whatever name is used in Smash Bros, the accented "e" is still a minor thing so if the community prefers it as "é" then I don't believe we need to move it back. If neither is prioritized however then the one that should be used is whichever is used in Smash Bros. 001Toad.jpg OmegαToαd64the Best Kαrter 08:08, May 4, 2020 (EDT)
I agree; it's so minor that it's not really that big of an issue in my opinion. Aykrivwassup (talk) 21:52, May 6, 2020 (EDT)

I just noticed that someone added "referred to as Arsene prior to Persona 5 Royal" in the introduction. I think that's a great compromise to including the accent. Alternatively, if the consensus ends up being to remove the accent, we could change it to "Referred to as Arsène in Persona 5 Royal". Aykrivwassup (talk) 21:58, May 6, 2020 (EDT)