User talk:Omega Tyrant

If someone leaves a comment asking me something, please do not answer them for me unless I'm clearly offline

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I play Smash U with anyone that challenges me, regardless of their skill level, as long as you aren't someone with an unwarranted ego that will make excuses about the "lag made me play bad!". If you want to play me, contact me here and add my NNID. If you do play me, be sure to have tourney rules set unless noted otherwise.

If there's something you wish to speak to me privately, and cannot catch me on IRC (or cannot use IRC for whatever reason), you can contact me with email.

Favorite

Don't mean to bother you, but out of curiosity, what's your favorite Smash title (including mods like BB)? - Drilly Dilly (talk) 02:37, 16 August 2015 (EDT)

He's not active at the moment but if you don't mind answering for you, I can probably assume that Smash 4 is his favorite Smash game; with mods counting, I would say Brawl- for overall favorite. Dots (talk) The Left 4 Dead 03:03, 16 August 2015 (EDT)

Your favorite's Brawl Minus? - Drilly Dilly (talk) 03:05, 16 August 2015 (EDT)

Roster Contest

Hey, I was just wondering, whatever happened to that SSB4 roster contest you had a couple years ago? ChuckNorris  19:08, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Will update it eventually, I knew I won the initial release and then grew inactive from here, so I just forgot about it. Omega Tyrant 08:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

IK you're semi active but here's a CSS script..

Here is the script. (Feel free to use it in whatever way you like, including using it as part of the interface) a.whorb { background: url(/images/thumb/0/0b/Rollback.png/14px-Rollback.png) left no-repeat; padding:0 0 0 15px; } a.whobot { background: url(/images/thumb/1/17/Bot.png/14px-Bot.png) left no-repeat; padding:0 0 0 15px; } a.whoadmin { background: url(/images/thumb/4/46/Administrator.png/14px-Administrator.png) left no-repeat; padding:0 0 0 15px; } a.whocrat { background: url(/images/thumb/5/5c/Bureaucrat.png/14px-Bureaucrat.png) left no-repeat; padding:0 0 0 15px; } a.whodev { background: url(/images/thumb/3/32/Developer.png/14px-Developer.png) left no-repeat; padding:0 0 0 15px; } INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 14:43, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Just a quick just-in-case-it-wasn't-noticed-earlier...

Could I request that, as much as you despise the userbase, you stay for a little? We've had more than 15 bad faith violations, and 6 vandals in 4 days, and the admins are little help: two are rarely active anymore, and the other isn't active at the right time or outright is uninformed until 10 minutes of violating. We could use your help. (Also, I'm Andyjraliw Bianchi from YouTube). Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 15:44, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Nah I burnt out on wiki stuff and arguing with Miles over something that should be obvious isn't an appealing use of my time. I'll come and go when I do. Omega Tyrant 08:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Settle it in Smash?

Maybe we can go against each other sometime? Smash Master 16:21, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Well...

"as long as you aren't someone with an unwarranted ego that will make excuses about the "lag made me play bad!""

According to this, it seems that you feel that I haven't changed a bit over the years. Well guess what? I decided to drop my unnecessary ego and am no longer whiny about lag. Smash Master 21:59, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Don't know why you made a separate section for this, but oh hi Smash Master. Omega Tyrant 08:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, looking back at it, I should've put it in my earlier section. And hi. Smash Master 13:33, 11 November 2015 (EST)

See my below section with Chilex about my wifi situation. Alternatively, follow my youtube channel and look for when I do a "vs. subscribers" thing. Omega Tyrant 13:49, 11 November 2015 (EST)

You've been on a lot recently. What gives?

What gives? I thought you are semi active. INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 07:06, 24 October 2015 (EDT)

Semi-Active means they are on usually three times or less a month and rarely make edits. OT has not made a single edit since the Alph controversy between him and Miles, which was months ago. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 13:36, 24 October 2015 (EDT)

You have Rob in your sig, I like you. Omega Tyrant 08:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

TBH, that was pure coincidence, as I did not take into account that my signature image happens to be related to one of your SSB4 mains, R.O.B.! INoMed ^{(Talk • Contribs)} 09:04, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Hi

Welcome back, Omega. - Drilly the Hedgehog 02:12, 5 November 2015 (EST)

Hi. Omega Tyrant 08:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Your inactivity: allow me to explain

So...the definition of semi-active is that they appear rather frequently but inconsistently. Inactive means they haven't been seen in over a month or choose to be inactive. The fact that you said in the last section that you're tired of arguing with people on the wiki, and the fact that you've only just started making edits since the Alph controversy, would constitute as inactive. By your logic, Porplemontage is semi-active too. Also, never in my life did I think both of our worst characters would become your main someday (though I have been switching to the dark side lately...). Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 08:41, 11 November 2015 (EST)

" I'll come and go when I do. "

I.e. semi-active. Now you're really gonna dispute over something obvious? Omega Tyrant 08:44, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Woops. Thanks for clearing that up. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 08:47, 11 November 2015 (EST)

So now that you're back.

Please play me in Smash 4. Chilex (talk) 09:30, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Saying I'm "back" nebulous, but anyway, finding a time I'm free to play without lag is tough, you'll usually either have to be free during around 9am-2pm on weekdays, or really late night/early morning, and then see if I'm available and in the mood to play. Omega Tyrant 10:49, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Why not today? It's a weekday (a holiday, albeit) so once you're done with your errands, we can perhaps play later. Unfortunately due to my school-adjusted sleep schedule, really late/early morning will not do. If you feel this topic isn't fit for the Wiki, let's talk on reddit. Chilex (talk) 10:59, 11 November 2015 (EST)

And since it's a holiday, that means others are home using up the internet, which means we would lag heavily. Omega Tyrant 11:05, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Hello.

There is something about your attitude that deeply concerns me, and I know I'm going to regret even bringing it up, but nothing ever revolves around what I want so.

Here's the situation. You take unannounced hiatuses from the wiki for months at a time. That's fine; even I get bored of it occasionally, and it's not reasonable to force people to say "I'm out for a while" somewhere. However, here we have a problem, or two problems in fact:

1. After your hiatus is over, you return to find a change you don't like, and proceed to say a one-liner of basically "this is terrible". Do you honestly think this comment and its delivery is going to help anyone? I don't understand the thought process that starts with that kind of comment and results in "yes, this is a good idea that will help me get what I want". There are dozens of ways you could voice displeasure with something while simultaneously being helpful about it, and while you did later get there, the point is you didn't appear to try in the first place.
2. Given that our number of staff members is low, it looks bad to have an admin that repeatedly vanishes without notice for months at a time, only to return and immediately stir up a bunch of crap. I'm not saying it's right or wrong to do so - some things do need to be stirred up by a fresh pair of eyes - but it still looks bad when someone leaves, comes back, and complains about things changing when they weren't here.

I'm not really going anywhere with this, and I'm not sure if I want/would read a reply; I'm just making a pair of troubling observations that you should have the ability to do something about. And in the midst of it, I come to a third one: If you weren't an admin, and you were to make an RfA, I'd fail it because your knowledge of smasher notability and high-level play is dwarfed by a lack of activity/reliability and an apparent refusal to compromise with others. If you're going to claim that someone shouldn't be an admin, maybe you should first ensure people can't say the same about you.

To make it 100% clear instead of 99.999% clear, people who aren't OT are not to respond to this. Toomai Glittershine The Keymaster 12:11, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Point 1: A section titled "ew" should obviously be indicative of a half-joking remark; when pressed, I provided more constructive posts.

Point 2: I take issue with this; commenting in opposition to something going on isn't "stirring up shit" (especially when it's constructive), nor is defending the addition to an article like the Alph thing (regardless of how obvious an inclusion the addition is). You should know better than to treat opposition like that. From what I see, if you're going to complain to anyone about "stirring up shit", say something to the users that repeatedly insist on saying everywhere "oh no that mean old OT might see and write big posts at Miles!", that clogged up Miles' RfB and talkpages elsewhere with a bunch of posts completely useless for anything but escalating conflict (seriously, why let that RfB's comments get clogged up with that shit?).

Third point: We'll break this down by subpoints. Activity-level, yeah this isn't relevant; in a hypothetical world where everything is the same except my adminship, it's moot as I (nor any sensible user) wouldn't be requesting adminship when they aren't fully active with the wiki. Additionally, one not being fully active doesn't diminish from their admin capabilities. Reliability, when have I ever proven unreliable? Even when I stopped being fully active on the wiki, if someone asked me off-wiki to help with something (or even posted on my talk page), I would respond and take care of it. Refusal to compromise, yeah this is pretty much bogus too; when a compromise is a viable and sensible solution, I do it. Not going for a "compromise" when there isn't a golden mean =! "can't compromise". Don't fall for the golden mean fallacy.

And for the final point, regardless of if I "should be an admin" or not, that's pretty much an ad hominem fallacy; whether you think a user should be an admin or not does not render their judgment of another user's admin capabilities invalid. I personally find you to not be an admin I think is suitable for a bureaucrat, but I of course know in itself that isn't a valid reason to try attacking your "I wouldn't make you an admin" point.

For one more thing, I can't help but feel a spiteful tone from this post, especially after all my interactions with you in the past couple of years. Omega Tyrant 13:10, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Well let's start this off with me agreeing that I shouldn't be a bureaucrat, so at least we have something there. Actually, would you say that the wiki hasn't had any bcrat candidates as a whole, like literally zero, since Emmett left? We're just a bunch of fighting game nerds arguing over who has the least bad people skills really, it's kind of difficult to find someone who's actually good at both worlds.

Numbah 1: I have a family member who acts exactly like this: he's not known to joke, so the one time he tries to make a joke, everyone assumes he's still being serious and things go sour. So okay partly my fault for misinterpreting, but I'd say I wasn't the only one.

Numbeh 2: I was attempting to say that showing up late to a mostly-concluded argument just...doesn't look right even if it is. I dunno, it's like you come home after being away at university, and your parents are getting ready to paint the kitchen yellow, and you say it's unfair they decided that when you weren't there. You might still have a valid argument, but better communication earlier could have make things go more smoothly in the first place...I'm kind of stream-of-thought-ing trying to extract my thoughts, but I hope you get the idea. It's like I'm trying to say "if you don't want things to change while you're away, don't leave", except I don't want people to feel obligated to hang around somewhere they're not sufficiently invested in.

Numero 3: "Compromise" is not strictly equivalent to "find a position in the middle of two extremes". Sometimes, it's recognizing that you are being outvoted in a debate where no more discussion will help, and you need to stop pushing your agenda regardless of how correct you think it is. My usage of "reliability" was basically an error; I wasn't sure whether to pick that or "activity", and missed it when I did my final pass before saving the edit. And I would disagree that "not being fully active doesn't diminish from their admin capabilities"; sure, blocking fools and the like doesn't suffer from long periods of being away, but being "out of the loop" can be a problem when it comes to disputes and proposals. Not that I would expect a wiki's culture to change that much in a month, but still. (In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, I should consider doing some demotions of the staff who haven't even showed up in over a year. Hmm. I think this has been discussed before, I'll have to go find it.)

Number 4: My point as a whole was supposed to read as something like "you're not making yourself look any better than the guy you're criticizing".

I don't know really. You're an asset to the wiki, but it just seems like too often you try to make things difficult on everyone else, and I don't know what can be done to repair your (mostly undeserved) poor reputation amongst the general userbase outside just doing positive things without raising anyone's ire. It sucks on both sides honestly, and right now I'm just trying to understand everyone's mindset. Toomai Glittershine The Rainbow 14:23, 11 November 2015 (EST)

Ignoring myself (I thought I would have been a suitable b'crat back then, I even almost ran for it a few years ago and had support from you and a few other established users, but then put it off when that Amy/Solar Dragon scandal blew up and never was invested enough in the wiki again to try), I can see Monsieur Crow being a suitable bureaucrat, and maybe HavocReaper and Megatron1 back when they were all active (shame they never even ran for adminship). Despite my own personal conflicts with him, PenguinofDeath would have been a suitable bureaucrat too if he was fully invested into the wiki and in the greater Smash community. I have little experience with Nyargle and never took a look through his history, so I can't judge his capabilities. Overall though, I can't fault Emmett for making you a bureaucrat, to function the wiki needed at least one bureaucrat who could be expected to show up somewhat frequently or otherwise was easily contactable, and Miles was as bad a candidate back then that he is now, while I can understand why Emmett chosen you over me (especially when me and him were not on good terms at the end).

For point 2, again I will have to oppose this assertion. The wiki isn't static, its policies and guidelines are always opened to being revised and revoked. So while I may have miss the initial proposal, me (and other users) are liable to come in and speak of our disapproval whenever we come back around. Sure it would have been better if I was there during the proposing; it's always easier to prevent a policy/guideline from being made official than to revoke it once it's in place and enforced (just like it's much easier to deny someone adminship/bureaucrat than it is to demote him, hence why I'm so vehemently opposed to "why not?" promotions or candidates I otherwise strongly disapprove of), but that doesn't mean one should just throw up their hands if they missed the initial proposal.

Point 3, the wiki never operated on "vote count", and it's a very dangerous mindset to have that one shouldn't speak out in disagreement if it's goes against the crowd (especially when said crowd may not be the most informed crowd, how much of the users supporting Miles' RfB for example are actually fully aware of his conduct throughout his 7-year adminship tenure and don't just think "oh he's that nice admin OT doesn't like?"). In cases where I wasn't supported and didn't have strong arguments, I have backed off (like that push to delete userpages of inactive users). Just because we rarely find ourselves in a position where I actually lack strong arguments doesn't mean I never bow out.

Regarding activity, if one hasn't been around in a very long time, nor been involved in the greater Smash community, then yeah their capabilities to administrate here would be reasonably diminished. For an admin that been semi-active within the wiki itself and been fully involved in Smash as a whole, their abilities will still be reasonably intact and would take like a week of getting to know all the new users to acclimate fully.

Point 4, it's still an ad hominem, whether one thinks I'm better than Miles or not doesn't impact the arguments I have against his capabilities.

Regarding reputation, from what I observed, new users always tended to view me negatively, just on the basis of the fact I'm more brash/blunt and am the admin who is/was most willing to put his foot down. Then those who stick around, and get to know me and the rest of the userbase, generally start viewing me much more positively, as they see I'm much more personable than an initial first impression may let on, and they see the tremendous asset I provide (FirstaLasto once even gave me a first hand explanation of this). Of course a few end up just not liking me or even developing a grudge against me regardless, though that's pretty much unavoidable when one tends to be outspoken and assertive. Omega Tyrant 00:37, 12 November 2015 (EST)

I thought about it, and...

I'm really sorry for what a mess Dots, SK, and I (particularly I) stirred up. I admit we were being a little escalative and melodramatic, and I hope you will accept this apology. Also, please don't take the storm as a reason to leave, because that isn't a post that is frequently made "these days". We are just not looking forward to a reawakened war. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 15:37, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Just wondering...

How do you think I'm doing as an admin? Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 10:23, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Forgive me for jumping in, but OT said in a previous section:

"I have little experience with Nyargle and never took a look through his history, so I can't judge his capabilities."

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 10:24, 13 November 2015 (EST)

...Well then, can't believe I missed that. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 10:26, 13 November 2015 (EST)

I'm curious

Are you actually planning on being fully active again, or are these last few days a special occasion? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 10:45, 13 November 2015 (EST)

"Nah I burnt out on wiki stuff and arguing with Miles over something that should be obvious isn't an appealing use of my time. I'll come and go when I do." Omega Tyrant 10:47, 13 November 2015 (EST)

K, I thought that still applied but I wanted to see for sure. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 10:57, 13 November 2015 (EST)

Bureaucracy for Miles of SmashWiki

What compelled you to post on his request page that he doesn't deserve to be an admin and to a greater extent, a bureaucrat? - Drilly the Hedgehog 01:17, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Keep in mind Drilly, he probably knows Miles better than anyone else. I'm sure he has his reasons, and he's entitled to not talk about it if he chooses. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Nonetheless, that looked like a very mean reply, don't ya think (he also said "What the hell" before saying that Miles doesn't deserve bureaucracy)? - Drilly the Hedgehog 01:23, 14 November 2015 (EST)

As long as it wasn't a personal attack, he has a right to be blunt if he chooses. The way I see it, everyone has their own methods of stating their opinion. Disaster Flare (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2015 (EST)

So did you not read my posts at all? I posted because I value having a easily searchable source of Smash information that is driven by the greater Smash community (which is the only reason why I still come around over the past couple of years), and someone like Miles, who not only proven himself flatout incompetent to administrate many times (both on the wiki and off it), is completely counterproductive to achieving that goal. If the people here promote him to bureaucrat, it's proof-positive this wiki is a lost cause; it's already suffering greatly from having him run around with adminship he never merited in the first place.

If you think calling him out on the absurdity of him making a RfB that people here are actually supporting is "mean", well that softness is just another problem with the current crop of users who frequent this wiki. Omega Tyrant 02:08, 14 November 2015 (EST)

That seems to be a pretty harsh generalization. To say that we are all soft, I mean. Serpent King 02:11, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I'll give that in my brief experience with you, you seem to be one of the more level-headed newer users that greater understands what the wiki requires to be as good a source of information as it can be. Omega Tyrant 02:20, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I mean, I get that you've had some bad experiences with Miles, but I kind of feel like us n00bs have the better idea in this case. Most of Miles' supports come from new users that he's actually helped with. Your disapproval comes mostly from past experiences. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 02:25, 14 November 2015 (EST)

And this is the kind of ignorance among newer users that I talk about. Learn what goes into a making a wiki a useful source of information and upkeeps it, and go actually observe what Miles does. Omega Tyrant 02:48, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Here's some required reading on the shit Miles does on a routine basis, and for bonus points, I'm not even involved with this one. Omega Tyrant 02:53, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Look, I can't say I agree with you, but I can't say I disagree with you either. Yes, Miles has had his moments, but he's also had his good moments too. Really, if you ask me, what I want is what I feel is best for the wiki and its future. Over the weekend, since I won't be very active, I'll think it over and figure out what I feel is best. Disaster Flare (talk) 02:59, 14 November 2015 (EST)

"Good moments"

Anyone can block vandals and delete junk. Having the base competency to do basic janitorial work isn't a "good" showing of administrating. Omega Tyrant 03:02, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I get it, yes, he does good at that, but that's not what I mean. Clearly he's doing something right, as some of the community has grown to respect him to some extent. Yes, I don't particularly agree with the choices he makes at times, I'm just very conflicted about my options right now. I just need time to look at all the facts, and then come back with a decision on what side I should be on. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:06, 14 November 2015 (EST)

"as some of the community has grown to respect him to some extent"

Except no, what's the common trend among those that support Miles? They're new, less-experienced or (while it may sound harsh) less-competent users, who thinks he's alright just on the basis of him being an admin who may not immediately tell them off, and don't fully grasp what makes a wiki its most useful and why a lot of his behavior is flatout unacceptable for even a regular user. And you got a bunch of "why not?" in there for good measure. Omega Tyrant 03:19, 14 November 2015 (EST)

I don't want any quarrel with you, if that's what you're thinking, I'm just saying as of this time I'm on neither your or Miles' side. I will say however that I regretted doing a full support on his application without thinking about it first. I'm going to look into everything that makes you consider him a bad admin tonight, and make a decision as soon as I'm able. Disaster Flare (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2015 (EST)

If I may...

The protection on PSIWolf's page was not only requested by Serpent King, but was put in place because people kept going on his talk page even though he clearly wanted to be left alone. Yes, as you said, he can just simply unwatch his talk page, but A. he doesn't even want to log back in to his old account, last I recall, and B. the point still stands. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 09:31, 14 November 2015 (EST)

That is not a valid reason for protection. Sure the comments were dumb/unneeded, but he wasn't being harassed, and if he doesn't want emails that badly for his page being edited, he can take a minute to log in and turn the option off instead of throwing a bitch fit about it. Omega Tyrant 09:35, 14 November 2015 (EST)

That is true, I'll admit that. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 09:39, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Because, like with your edit, mine got lost in the RC:

I replied here. Serpent King 21:40, 14 November 2015 (EST)

Same here. Disaster Flare (talk) 14:12, 15 November 2015 (EST)

In case you didn't see, I finished that questionnaire. Serpent King 04:32, 16 November 2015 (EST)

I'll be looking over your two's responses today. Omega Tyrant 04:59, 16 November 2015 (EST)

This should also help, Serpent told me it was a good idea to make a qualification page too. Disaster Flare (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2015 (EST)

Personal opinion time

I'd like to know your thoughts on something, since (at least, in my opinion) you're one of the more critical people here on the wiki.

About a month ago, I submitted an RfA of my own (which, I will admit, was a bit rushed and not really well planned out, and, due to this, it wasn't successful). Since you have only recently jumped on the SmashWiki train again (and thus missed out on the RfA itself), I'd like to hear what you have to say about it (in hopes that I can take what you say here and apply it to myself on the wiki). Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 11:34, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Sure, but you will probably have to wait a couple of days. Omega Tyrant 16:51, 17 November 2015 (EST)

Bumping this, just in case you forgot. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 15:46, 24 November 2015 (EST)

SW:SIG

Your picture is two pixels too tall according to this policy.

(I swear this is completely unrelated to you being a jerk, it was just bothering me that it was throwing the lines off balance so I thought I'd check it) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:28, 18 November 2015 (EST)

"to you being a jerk"

You just cant let up with salt over being criticised, huh? Omega Tyrant 16:14, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Or you can help us ban a vandal? Dots (talk) The Falcon 16:15, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah that'd be great. Papayazzi (talk) 16:16, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I wasn't gonna point this out but... You actually did suggest things on Nyargle's version of the same thing. So you do understand what I was requesting, yet you chose to do it for him over me. Why exactly is that? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid.

How dense do you insist on being? You had it spelled out by me and Nyargle, yet you're going to still whine and claim I didn't? Omega Tyrant 16:22, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Answer my question. You were overly harsh with me and actually rather polite with Nyargle, despite us both pitching the same thing. Why exactly is that? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 16:25, 18 November 2015 (EST)

In summary, you were like "this sucks" to DatNuttyKid's, and "this sucks, it could be this way" to Nyarglebargle's. Probably due to personal bias, favoritism, or seeing it to be more practical in helping an admin than a user. Maybe not deeming DNK's as worthy of that type of criticism, I'm guessing.Papayazzi (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2015 (EST)

It was closer to "this sucks, it should be this way" vs. "it could be this way". But still. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 16:29, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Yeah you're right, I see that. I naturally like being harsher/unhelpful when I'm feeling condescending/superior before giving any sort of criticism. Maybe that's the case here. Papayazzi (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Guys, let Omega actually reply (So sorry Omega). Disaster Flare (talk) 16:36, 18 November 2015 (EST)

We're not getting in the way, unless we're getting edit conflicts, which at least I haven't. It's fun to speculate Papayazzi (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Still, please try to keep quiet on the talk page until he replies, that way no edit conflicts happen. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2015 (EST)

"Answer my question. You were overly harsh with me and actually rather polite with Nyargle, despite us both pitching the same thing. Why exactly is that?"

Lets see what I posted:

"I'm going to reserve making a statement about the idea itself for now. However, I will point out two glaring faults:

• A page being deletable by janitors based on edit quantity.

This is a terrible idea both ways. On the vandal side, a vandal could simply do a bunch of minor mass edits and thus make their page immune to janitors. On the constructive side, a legitimate high-quality page could very well go a while with under 10 edits, especially if it's about a subject a few amount of people are interested and knowledgeable in. As such, a much better idea would be to base it on time, like a page that hasn't been up for 24 hours can be deleted by janitors. A cut-and-dry vandal/spam page should never last 24 hours, while a more contentious delete nearly always will.

• Being able to ban users that have been previously blocked

This is also unacceptable. Legitimate users getting blocked isn't uncommon, and very rarely do a once-legitimate user turn to flatout vandalising/spamming that would merit a non-contentious ban. As such, our hypothetical janitors would have no business getting the ability to ban users with a block on their record. "

I explained the very clear problems, and said what should be done for them, despite you constantly whining I didn't. Your "proposal" got the same exact treatment, suck it up that it got criticised. If the word "terrible" terrifies you, you need to get much thicker skin.

@Papayazzi Actually read my post before commenting. Omega Tyrant 16:51, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I did. Papayazzi (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Apparently you didn't if you're going to sum it up as "this sucks". Omega Tyrant 16:52, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Nah, I was more going for a general idea, or essence. "Summary" wasn't the best word. Nice assumptions bro Papayazzi (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2015 (EST)

You didn't answer my question. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 16:54, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Yes I did. You got the same exact treatment. Again are you allergic to the word terrible or something? I found obvious faults in your proposal, pointed them out and thoroughly explained why, and despite your insistence, suggested what should be done with them.

"As such, a much better idea would be to base it on time, like a page that hasn't been up for 24 hours can be deleted by janitors."

"'As such, our hypothetical janitors would have no business getting the ability to ban users with a block on their record."

You just keep reinforcing the belief that you're completely incapable of taking criticism. Omega Tyrant 17:02, 18 November 2015 (EST)

"This is a terrible idea both ways."/"This is also unacceptable." vs. "Now I think it's taking the completely wrong path here." - Insulting the idea vs. redirecting the idea

"a much better idea" vs. "I would suggest" - Clearly putting your opinions over my own vs. putting your opinions out there as an option

"two glaring faults" vs. "a few things I'll like to change" - Harshly tearing it apart vs. once again putting your opinions out there as an option

Etc. Maybe I am just dense, but those differences seem clear. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:19, 18 November 2015 (EST)

""This is a terrible idea both ways."/"This is also unacceptable." vs. "Now I think it's taking the completely wrong path here." - Insulting the idea vs. redirecting the idea "

"This is a terrible idea both ways" emphasizes just how bad that idea was, in each relevant direction. "This is also unacceptable" is straightforward, that idea would not have been acceptable to implement.

"::"a much better idea" vs. "I would suggest" - Clearly putting your opinions over my own vs. putting your opinions out there as an option"

Because it simply was a much more effective idea, you're really going to complain that someone said something demonstratively better was "much better"?

""two glaring faults" vs. "a few things I'll like to change" - Harshly tearing it apart vs. once again putting your opinions out there as an option"

"Glaring faults", i.e. really significant problems with the proposal that would significantly limit its effectiveness and make the community more opposed to implementing it.

So you pretty much confirmed here, that yes, you're someone with very thin skin who can't take hearing words like terrible. The wiki is not a hugbox, users are not going to dance around your feelings and put everything as lightly as possible, stronger words will get used when needed. Going by your "suggestions" would only have served to diminish my points and make everything less clear, just for the added "benefit" of protecting your feelings. If you can't handle simple words with stronger emphasis being used, then you really need to grow up. Omega Tyrant 17:41, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Except clearly it wasn't necessary, because you were able to make the same point with much gentler words to Nyargle. Nearly everything you pointed out to Nyargle, you had also pointed out to me, but used the phrasing that my "suggestions" showed (because they are not suggestions- they are direct quotes).

Your post was not what caused me to request deletion (although, given that I made it clear at the beginning that I in no way intended it to be a policy, it seems strange that you thought stronger words were "needed"). I was referring more to Ganonmew and Dots with the "everyone's taking it seriously". In fact, I didn't even want it deleted based on the fact that they were giving non-constructive criticism; I requested deletion because it had gotten more attention than I had hoped, and I didn't want it becoming any form of a discussion that would take users' time away from the rest of the wiki. However, you became the problem when you insisted that by not wanting the slightly harsher criticism (which, again, was not the reasoning), that somehow made me dumb, childish, or basically not as good as you. And given this as my first direct interaction with you, I almost favor Miles (who I feel only slightly less strongly about than you do). ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:03, 18 November 2015 (EST)

This dispute has been driven out of control, let's end it here before things get worse. Disaster Flare (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I never got an answer (given that OT never admitted that the question was legit) :/ ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:06, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I think OT really likes the way he responded to both you and Nyarglebargle's proposals and that's that. You can think the way he responded to you was relatively unfair and unnecessarily harsh all you like too, and that's fine. There doesn't seem to be much to be accomplished from here, man. Though I do agree with ya DNK. Nobody's completely fair, unbiased, just, etc. Papayazzi (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2015 (EST)

That said, even if you think he's being a dick, suck it up anyways, move on. You can't control people. Papayazzi (talk) 02:16, 19 November 2015 (EST)

@DatNuttyKid

"Except clearly it wasn't necessary, because you were able to make the same point with much gentler words to Nyargle. Nearly everything you pointed out to Nyargle, you had also pointed out to me, but used the phrasing that my "suggestions" showed (because they are not suggestions- they are direct quotes)."

Do you even read the content of the posts, or do you literally just see "oh no he said terrible I can't read anymore my feelings are hurt!"? Anyone with basic reading comprehension can see the content of the two posts are not remotely about the same thing. Nyargle's proposal didn't suggest anything as terrible an idea as basing deletion criteria on a page's edit quantity, nor did he propose giving janitors the ability to ban people with blocks on their record; you know, the two "glaring faults" that I was "harsh" about on yours.

"Your post was not what caused me to request deletion (although, given that I made it clear at the beginning that I in no way intended it to be a policy, it seems strange that you thought stronger words were "needed")."

Your first post on the talkpage: "I would like to hear people's opinions on this." You wanted to hear what others had to say, this "it wasn't serious you guys don't criticise me!" is simply bullshit. And this "I didn't intend for it to be policy!" is additionally bullshit; just as you stated it's a draft for a potential proposal down the line, and what the hell is the point of writing a policy draft and "asking for opinions" if it was all for shit and giggles?

"I was referring more to Ganonmew and Dots with the "everyone's taking it seriously". In fact, I didn't even want it deleted based on the fact that they were giving non-constructive criticism; I requested deletion because it had gotten more attention than I had hoped, and I didn't want it becoming any form of a discussion that would take users' time away from the rest of the wiki."

You can stop calling their posts "nonconstructive criticism"; if their posts were faulty and offbase, then you refute them, instead of just whining "they weren't giving constructive criticism!". And that "I didn't want it getting that much attention" is flatout bullshit, when a few users commenting is hardly much "attention", and you're doing much more now to take away time from the rest of the wiki then the "discussion" ever came close to. Additionally, your first response on the talkpage to me calling out the rage-deletion was you complaining that you didn't get "constructive criticism", nothing about this "oh I didn't want it to get much attention and taking away users' time" bullshit.

"However, you became the problem when you insisted that by not wanting the slightly harsher criticism (which, again, was not the reasoning), that somehow made me dumb, childish, or basically not as good as you."

Or, you can just admit you do have a problem with criticism and work to overcome it, instead of throwing tantrums and ragequitting on what could have been an actually decent proposal, and not coming up with these copouts that contradict what you stated. I looked over your failed RfA, I see this is nothing new for you, and I'm not the only user who has gotten the impression that you have a problem with getting criticised and contradicted.

"And given this as my first direct interaction with you, I almost favor Miles (who I feel only slightly less strongly about than you do)."

"The admin said something mean to me, I can't like them now!" yet you actually thought you could be an admin and get an RfA of yours passed?

@DisasterFlare: "Lets just end this" posts do exactly nothing to resolve disputes and will in fact escalate them if anything, if you desire to become an admin you need to be able to actually contribute something to disputes. Omega Tyrant 06:13, 19 November 2015 (EST)

Minor nitpick

Yes, I get that you've been doing it for the longest time now, but I didn't really feel like telling you that much. So I've been noticing you put the m tag on all of your edits, whether they really are minor or not. Try to refrain from making them minor when your adding around 0.5 KB or more. Thank you. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 15:54, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I know how the "minor edits" function works, and I've deemed those edits minor. Omega Tyrant 16:06, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Uh, you want to do something about the vandal?

He's kinda having a free-for-all right now. Laikue (talk | contribs) 16:15, 18 November 2015 (EST)

SW:QDV Also, Omega, might be worth noting that this Yllid Yllird user is Drilly Dilly backwards. Might be worth looking into. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Smash?

I want to see how my completely casual Bowser Jr. does against a professional smasher. So, Smash? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 11:52, 21 November 2015 (EST)

I suppose that's a no then. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:33, 24 November 2015 (EST)

I have my girlfriend visiting for the next three months, you'll likely have to wait until then before I'm available for wifi matches. Omega Tyrant 15:35, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Okeydoke. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:37, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Reminder

Since the other section got off topic painfully, if you haven't updated it, your image is still 2px too tall. If you did update it then I apologize. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 18:50, 23 November 2015 (EST)

Actually check things before accusing. Omega Tyrant 18:56, 23 November 2015 (EST)

Ah, I didn't see the shrink. I apologize. Ganonmew, The Thankful Evil Clone 19:01, 23 November 2015 (EST)

SideEffect

Sorry about that, didn't bother to check history...as the article is barely anything, the only thing linking to it was a redirect, and Smashboards came up blank. Serpent King 19:16, 23 November 2015 (EST)

Remember to always check the history of smasher articles; besides letting you if the article already had a notability check, it will let you see if it had more content before; it's not uncommon for smasher articles that were filled with rubbish or otherwise questionable content, and then have an editor come along that reduces it to a single useless sentence or two instead of properly cleaning up the article. Omega Tyrant 19:25, 23 November 2015 (EST)

Video suggestion

Maybe you can do some videos where luigi wins against level 8 & 7 CPUs (not all of them), and maybe awhile after that you can do a video where mario loses against low levels (4,5,6) and/or bottom levels (3,2,1). if your not ok with the video idea, im sorry for asking and wasting your time

thanks, 164.153.202.218 15:43, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Generally, SmashWiki videos have to have educational value. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 15:44, 24 November 2015 (EST)

I think they meant just for OT's YouTube channel. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 15:45, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Whoops, my b. Nyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 15:46, 24 November 2015 (EST)

@IP: Winning against AI levels below 9 is redundant when I already did a Smash 4 Luigi videos against all level 9s. Omega Tyrant 15:47, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Maybe you could do the Mario losing against level 8-2 CPUs. --Frodomar (talk) 21:20, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Your SmashWiki Pokedex

This seems to be an isolated problem but I have issues with the SmashWiki Pokedex you have. I click the link and this pops up: 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable: nginx/1.2.9. Do you know what is the issue? Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 20:48, 1 December 2015 (EST)

It's definitely a problem you only seem to have... Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 20:50, 1 December 2015 (EST)

I have it too :T --BeepYou (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Question for BeepYou: do you use mobile? That might be the problem, especially if INoMed might have the same issue in the future. So far, it works for SK and Aidan, but doesn't work for me and BeepYou. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 20:57, 1 December 2015 (EST)

I'm on my PC. --BeepYou (talk) 21:00, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Weird. We can only hope OT has an answer. Also while I'm at it, BeepYou, I'd like to remind you of this and this. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 21:05, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Meh. It's Ok, the project of shieldstun affecting fighters is in a hiatus until the next year (at that moment I'll update it and put it again on my userpage), and FalconX can try to erase all the mains from players that only have a notable result like Hax, like Lee Martin with Ness & G&W, and Ksizzle with Little Mac. --BeepYou (talk) 21:37, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Also, OT, about my edit on Bowser, there has been a mini-edit war going on. There's me, who says that it's ludicrous to say Bowser is more powerful than Melee, especially considering not many of his attacks are even stronger than Brawl, if not being even weaker. Then there's the IPs who keep adding the same thing again despite literally having no proof or at the bare minimum a backup statement. The IPs have also gotten on the nerves of established users such as Berrenta who see that the same thing keeps getting added without proof. That should solve your "what". Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 22:37, 1 December 2015 (EST)

"There's me, who says that it's ludicrous to say Bowser is more powerful than Melee, especially considering not many of his attacks are even stronger than Brawl, if not being even weaker."

This claim is simply ridiculous, the one being ludicrous here is you. Omega Tyrant 22:43, 1 December 2015 (EST)

Might I ask how? Let me back myself up: his jab, forward tilt, forward smash, up smash (sourspot), back aerial, forward special, and down special are stronger while his up tilt, dash attack, forward smash, and up aerial are weaker, and the rest have no knockback changes. Yes, he is definitely stronger than Brawl. However, I find it a stretch to say that he is more powerful than Melee when this many attacks are weaker. You'd see Melee Bowser KOing ridiculously early.

Also, do you know the issue with the SWPD? Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 15:59, 2 December 2015 (EST)

You list dash attack as "weaker", when that move doesn't kill in any game, and list forward smash as both "stronger" and "weaker". I would go into more specifics, but you clearly don't seem educated on the matter, much less educated enough to try asserting ownership over the page. Omega Tyrant 17:25, 2 December 2015 (EST)

Forward smash is primarily stronger, but gained a weaker late hit. Your pointe taken. I made the edit first a while ago being stronger than the strongest character in Melee by far seemed weird, I only started to make the move I did when IPs undid my edits with no backup. Also, I'd like to ask once more, do you know how to fix the issue with the Pokedex link? Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 17:33, 2 December 2015 (EST)

Except the sourspot on the Smash 4 f-smash is a very minor part of the move, and if you want to factor in sourspots, then you can't ignore Smash 4's f-smash having a much more favorable sweetspot/sourspot placement, that will lead to it hitting stronger the vast majority of the time. And if multiple users are undoing an edit you put in, that should be a clear sign to you that your edit maybe isn't the right one, and that you should farther research and discuss the matter if you're still insistent on your edit being right. Regardless, reverting and declaring you won't allow anyone else to put the old edit back in is absolutely not a remotely acceptable action to take; you and the rest of the newer userbase should have plenty of experience with Brian on how page-squatting, especially from a misinformed or significantly biased user, is detrimental to the wiki and overall counter to a wiki's purpose.

And no, I do not know what is causing your error on that page. Omega Tyrant 18:13, 2 December 2015 (EST)

Well, this is amusing.

"And if multiple users are undoing an edit you put in, that should be a clear sign to you that your edit maybe isn't the right one, and that you should farther research and discuss the matter if you're still insistent on your edit being right. "

Except there was no discussion. I even went to one of the IPs talk pages and asked for proof, still nothing.

"Regardless, reverting and declaring you won't allow anyone else to put the old edit back in is absolutely not a remotely acceptable action to take; you and the rest of the newer userbase should have plenty of experience with Brian on how page-squatting, especially from a misinformed or significantly biased user, is detrimental to the wiki and overall counter to a wiki's purpose."

How bold are you feeling, comparing me to Brian? HOW do you compare this to this?! How do you compare someone like me telling people I'll let their edit pass with proof (considering this is about an objective statement) to a barely-if-at-all good faith user who whines when people say anything that isn't his opinion. You don't see me insulting people's intelligence. You don't see an inflammatory, policy-violating attitude from me. When there is more than one user who takes issue to the lack of proof, I think there is a problem. I wasn't completely blocking access to the page, I was saying not to add the statement without objective proof.

Also well dang. I was thinking of adding myself but w/e. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 21:13, 2 December 2015 (EST)

This is getting out of hand. Can we just drop it? Serpent King 21:16, 2 December 2015 (EST)

@GanonMew: Reread my post, you clearly missed the point of it and mispercieved the comparison to Brian to be something it wasn't at all. The whole issue is you going on to a page and declaring that you're not going to "tolerate" any more edits that counter your percieved (and misinformed/possibly biased) view without any proper attempt on your part for farther discussion/explanation; i.e. page squatting/ownership. Just because you aren't inflammatory about it like Brian is doesn't make it any more acceptable on your part nor make the comparison on why page-squatting is so detrimental any less valid.

"Except there was no discussion. I even went to one of the IPs talk pages and asked for proof, still nothing. "

You should know by now that the proper venue for discussion on an edit conflict is on the talk page of the actual article involved, especially when it involves multiple users. Additionally, you go on about "needing proof", but the whole point you're fighting was on that article to begin with; the "burden of proof" was on you, not the opposing users, and either way if there's multiple users constantly putting that information back in, you should be writing a detailed post on the talkpage explaining on how your edit is the right one and not instead just declaring page ownership while continuing to edit war.

@Serpent King: You should know by now that "lets just drop this" and other such equivalent posts do absolutely nothing for user conflict and should be outright discouraged. Omega Tyrant 19:51, 4 December 2015 (EST)

All I am saying is that this discussion seems to lead to nowhere, it's already off the original topic, and at this point, it exists only to irritate both parties involved. Given these, it does not seem unreasonable to ask that the subject be dropped. Serpent King 19:57, 4 December 2015 (EST)

"All I am saying is that this discussion seems to lead to nowhere"

Just because Ganonmew wrote a big rant post doesn't mean it's "not going anywhere".

"it's already off the original topic"

Ganonmew should have made it its own section, but the discussion is still fully relevant even if he put it in a topic section it has nothing to do with.

"it exists only to irritate both parties involved."

No, the discussion is about a fully relevant and serious issue with a user's conduct, it exists to curb out that behavior. Just because a user got defensive about it doesn't mean it's a irrelevant flamewar, don't treat it as one.

"it does not seem unreasonable to ask that the subject be dropped."

Even if what you said was accurate, "lets just drop this" posts does not help to mediate and will escalate if anything. Omega Tyrant 20:12, 4 December 2015 (EST)

Yeah I agree I took the Brian thing too personally, but that's because I don't like being compared to users I don't think very highly of. As for the accusations: "burden of proof" yeah I did just all of a sudden say it sounded weird to say Bowser was stronger than Melee but I only really noticed it at a late time. "Misinformed" Maybe. "Possibly biased" Absolutely not. If it was bias, I would say stuff like "Bowser is weaker than Melee no matter what", which was not my intention at all. As for the section issue, I didn't expect it to escalate the way it did, so I just said it there to answer you. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 21:07, 4 December 2015 (EST)

Q & A

Dude you haven't read your userspace since a long time. Not insisting you on responding, but I was just hoping for an answer. --BeepYou (talk) 22:47, 1 December 2015 (EST)

IIRC he doesn't have a clear worst character, but his bottom tier consists of Dedede, Little Mac, Samus, and default Ganondorf. Ganonmew, The Festive Evil Clone 06:45, 3 December 2015 (EST)

"I have my girlfriend visiting for the next three months, you'll likely have to wait until then before I'm available for wifi matches."

See what I said above in a prior section, don't expect hasty responses for the next few months. Omega Tyrant 19:55, 4 December 2015 (EST)

dA?

You're even on DeviantArt. I never knew that. Cool. --BeepYou (talk) 20:10, 4 December 2015 (EST)

I stopped using the site and that account years ago. Youtube, Facebook, reddit, and Smashboards are the main external sites I have a presence on nowadays. Omega Tyrant 20:15, 4 December 2015 (EST)

That's strange, your last activity was on October 20 of this year in that page. But I assume you grew bored of it, it's understandable. That's why I don't have an account there. --BeepYou (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2015 (EST)

Are these notable tournaments?

There are a few recent tournament pages that have been made that I question the notability of, including this, this, this, this, and this, among others. The reason I didn't tag some of these for notability is because I don't think it would be worth the trouble of undoing multiple edits when you can simply say yes or no right here. Should these pages stay? John PK SMAAAASH!! 22:04, 14 December 2015 (EST)

Normally I would say the former three should be merged into a tourney page covering the series like this, but since they were free tournies, they're not anything more noteworthy than smashfests and should be deleted. The latter two are probably too small for individual tourney pages, but could go on their respective tourney series pages (the former already has this). Generally any tournament with actual weight that can be sourced merits article documentation here, however a tourney should be about regional sized to get an individual article. Omega Tyrant 04:31, 15 December 2015 (EST)

Since you're a Brawl veteran...

I'd appreciate your opinion here. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 11:24, 27 December 2015 (EST)

Hey There

It really has been a long time. Looking back, i was an absolute idiot and fool. It would have been somewhat funny if i didn't take myself serious, but i unfortunately did. However, if there is one good thing that comes with getting older, you grow wiser. I am nowhere near the user i was before, however i'll also be nowhere near as active (i've been dead for quite a while now). I'll pop in every once in while to see what i can contribute to the wiki. It has been a while since we talked so i just wanted to leave this here: Sorry for my misbehavior back in the day. ZeldasmashTalk 18:28, 10 January 2016 (EST)

Learn from the experts.

Hi Omega Tyrant. I want your wii u friend code so that I can play with you. I really want to learn from a master.Swagman (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2016 (EST)

San...

He just styled on you on the last battle. How did he made the glide toss? Wasn't that thing removed from the game? xD -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 02:00, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Since you're like the guru of notability

Is Smasher:Athena notable? I think she might be because of GENESIS 3, but it doesn't seem like she placed well. Serpent King 14:06, 27 February 2016 (EST)

83 KB!

I know you are semi-active, but [lol] the size of this talk page is insane! I never seen a talk page this big. You may want to archive it soon. -- Ethan(Discussion) 21:52, 27 February 2016 (EST)