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|Pikachu || ▬ || The electric mouse pokemon has maintained its top spot due to several broken attributes: its fantastic recovery can be used to escape combos and go offstage to hit people; Pikachu has high priority, the best approach and the only sound recovery; it is the best character on Dreamland and the 2nd best character on Hyrule; it has 0 bad matchups and few neutral matchups; it can use grabs in combos, and it can tap vs a shield into a grab; and finally, top players use Pikachu (See [[Isai]]).
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|Fox || ▲ 2 || Fox McCloud has the best projectile, great approach and can combo from virtually any move to any other move. Some of his combos can take characters from 0% to death. He is the best character on Hyrule. The primary differences between Pikachu and Fox are Fox's bad offstage game and the fact that Fox can be so easily comboed due to being a fast faller. Otherwise, his superior meta game is largely unrivaled.
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|Kirby || ▼ 1 || Kirby moved down due to Fox gaining ground.  Kirby is predictable - but he is also the best character in the game at gimping, he has what may very well be the best move of any smash game (Up tilt), he wields an incredibly good down air, he performs very basic but high damage combos, he doesn't need to approach due to high priority, he has incredibly good shield priority, and finally, he boasts excellent matchups.  Although he is a lightweight, his multiple hops strongly increase his chances of making it back to the stage.  Despite the fact that, in a 1v1 tournament setting, Kirby is placed as third, he is widely regarded as the best character in the original Super Smash Brothers for his phenomenal multi-player capacity, gimp combos and general brokenness.
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|Captain Falcon || ▲ 1 || Spacing, the easiest 0 to death combos and the best overall aerial (up air) place Captain Falcon at a strong fourth. Unfortunately, he lacks a projectile move, does not have a reasonable way to defend against projectiles or high priority moves, Fox and Kirby are bad matchups for him, and he is a fast faller, making him easy to combo.  He does have a great throw, however, and his KO moves boast excellent range.
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|Mario || ▲ 2 || Mario's up smash is incredibly strong, he has a good up air, recovery and projectile, and he is slightly diffcult to combo. Overall, Mario is good - but he doesn't have anything actually broken about him, unlike the characters above.
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|Yoshi || ▲ 2 || Yoshi can [[DJC]], has a good shield and boasts an incredibly good up tilt.  On the flip side, he has one of the worst throws, he finds it very difficult to approach projectiles, and his matchups against Kirby, Pikachu and Fox are horrific. Overall, Yoshi is a very solid character due to good matchups vs anyone below him and good recovery vs characters with low priority aerial moves.
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|Donkey Kong || ▲ 2 || Donkey Kong boasts a phenomenal grab (making him slightly predictable). He has a great matchup vs Jigglypuff. He has high priority, overall good recovery, down b and up air platform cancel combos and GREAT low tier matchups. Unfortunately, most of his moves are simply too slow to compete in a high tier environment.
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|Jigglypuff || ▼ 2 || Though the queen of combos, Jigglypuff has too many exploitable matchups, making it a "glass cannon." Moreover, Jigglypuff has excessively low weight. On the upside, the balloon pokemon does have a virtually limitless horizontal recovery, and boasts the fastest air speed and a deadly down B.
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|Ness || ▼ 6 || The greatest upset in the revised list was Ness's fall from grace. The original Super Smash Bros. has long been considered Ness's golden age. However, due to spacing issues, bad projectiles, having the second worst recovery in the game and fairly predictable approaches, Ness has plummeted to the depths of ignomy. That being said, he has a great up tilt, fantastic DJC combos and an amazing grab. It is interesting to note that such an upset would occur so many years after the game's release. If truly Ness had such noticeable flaws, he would never have made it to top tier in the first place. Certainly, the flaws are noticeable now, but it is curious that it took so long to counter Ness. With such new tactics being discovered, perhaps Ness players will find a way to redeem the boy genius.
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|Luigi || ▬ || Luigi boasts fairly good matchups and a good up b for killing and recovery. Regrettably, his short hop is among the worst, and he has difficulty approaching high priority aerial moves.
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|Link || ▲ 1 || Link has excellent projectile use and a good up tilt - but also holds what is widely regarded to be the worst recovery in all of smash bros. Also, the hero of time is too easy to set up for combos, and a single grab usually leads to death - regardless of which character he is facing.
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|Samus || ▼ 1 || Samus has an abysmal approach and short hop, low combos, and major problems against projectiles and high priority aerials. She does have good spacing and a great back air, but this is offset by her horrific Z-roll, which gives the opponent time to set up a grab for when she comes out of her ball. Samus has one or 2 even matchups (Jigglypuff and possibly Ness).
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The Smash Back Room tier list has changed many times since its inception. Previous versions of the list are as follows. In later tier lists, characters are broadly ranked by their tier, and further ranked by the order in which characters are listed within the tier list. For instance, Falco is ranked above Samus in the fourth Melee tier list. Earlier tier lists use numerical rankings, and characters with the same numerical value are listed alphabetically.

Super Smash Bros.

For the purposes of low tier tournaments, those characters in tiers B and C are classed as "low tier" characters.

First Tier List

The first list was created by the Super Smash Bros. community on GameFAQs, unlike the tiers lists of other games, which were created on Smashboards by the Smash Back Room.

S A B C
Pikachu Fox Mario Luigi
Kirby Captain Falcon Yoshi Samus
Ness Jigglypuff Donkey Kong Link

Second Tier List

The second smash 64 tier list was created by the n64 community on Smashboards unlike the first one which was created by members of Gamefaqs.

S A B C
Pikachu Kirby Yoshi Luigi
Fox Captain Falcon Donkey Kong Link
Mario Jigglypuff Samus
Ness

Melee

First tier list (October 8, 2002)

Though this was the first tier list, Smash World Forums was rife with discussion about tiers long before the Melee Back Room released its "MBR Tier Averages." The term "F/F/S" (short for "Falco, Fox and Sheik") was popular as a quick reference to Melee's top tier. Members on Smashboards, perhaps in backlash against novice sentiment towards Roy and Link, generally disdained those characters, and generally favored the game's fastest characters.

Members on Smashboards largely contested this tier list's placement of Mewtwo, which they felt to be too low. Many Smashboarders considered Mewtwo a low or even middle tier character and were bothered that it, despite its great recovery and powerful throws, was placed at the bottom of bottom tier, where most people believed Bowser belonged.

Second tier list (December 19, 2002)

For the second tier list, the Melee Back Room not only averaged the votes for every character to determine a tier list, but also calculated the mode of characters' placements.

Mean

  • 2.2: Sheik
  • 2.3: Fox
  • 3.9: Falco
  • 4.4: Peach
  • 4.7: Marth
  • 8.5: Mario
  • 8.8: Dr. Mario
  • 9.6: Samus
  • 10.0: Luigi
  • 11.0: Ganondorf and Jigglypuff
  • 13.0: Captain Falcon and Ice Climbers
  • 15.0: Zelda, Ness and Link
  • 16.0: Pikachu
  • 17.0: Yoshi and Young Link
  • 20.0: Roy and Donkey Kong
  • 21.0: Mr. Game and Watch, Kirby and Bowser
  • 23.0: Mewtwo
  • 24.0: Pichu

Mode

  • 1: Sheik
  • 2: Fox
  • 3: Falco
  • 4: Peach
  • 5: Marth, Zelda
  • 6: Samus
  • 7: Ganondorf
  • 9: Dr. Mario
  • 10: Jigglypuff, Mario
  • 11: C.Falcon
  • 12: Luigi
  • 13: Ice Climbers
  • 14: Link
  • 15: Young Link
  • 16: Ness
  • 18: Yoshi
  • 20: Pikachu
  • 22: Bowser
  • 23: Donkey Kong, Roy
  • 24: Kirby, Mewtwo
  • 25: Pichu
  • 26: Mr. Game and Watch


Third tier list (June 23, 2003)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Fox
  • Falco
  • Marth
  • Peach
Upper Tier
  • Mario
  • Dr. Mario
  • Luigi
  • Samus
  • Jigglypuff
  • Captain Falcon
  • Ganondorf
Middle Tier
  • Ice Climbers
  • Yoshi
  • Ness
  • Pikachu
  • Roy
  • Link
  • Young Link
  • Zelda
  • Donkey Kong
Bottom Tier
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Kirby
  • Mewtwo
  • Pichu
  • Bowser


This tier list was released soon after Ken Hoang won Tournament Go 4. Before Ken, Marth strategy largely encompassed rolling and C-stick smashing symptomatic of low-level play today, but Ken introduced to the community the uses of dash-dancing, chain throwing and aerial attacks, all techniques that largely improved Marth's metagame and moved him to top tier for years to come.

This is the first tier list that officially ranks characters into tiers.

Fourth tier list (July 1, 2003)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Fox
  • Marth
  • Peach
Upper Tier
  • Falco
  • Samus
  • Mario
  • Dr. Mario
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • Captain Falcon
  • Luigi
Middle Tier
  • Pikachu
  • Yoshi
  • Ice Climbers
  • Zelda
  • Ness
  • Link
  • Young Link
  • Roy
Low Tier
  • Donkey Kong
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Kirby
Bottom Tier
  • Mewtwo
  • Pichu
  • Bowser


Fifth tier list (September 29, 2003)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Marth
Upper Tier
  • Fox
  • Peach
  • Falco
High Tier
  • Samus
  • Captain Falcon
  • Ganondorf
  • Mario
  • Dr. Mario
  • Jigglypuff
  • Luigi
Middle Tier
  • Yoshi
  • Link
  • Roy
  • Pikachu
  • Young Link
  • Ice Climbers
  • Zelda
Low Tier
  • Ness
  • Kirby
  • Donkey Kong
  • Mewtwo
Bottom Tier
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Pichu
  • Bowser


April Fools Sixth tier list (March 31, 2004)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Jigglypuff
Upper Tier
  • Fox
  • Captain Falcon
  • Falco
  • Link
High Tier
  • Marth
  • Roy
  • Peach
  • Luigi
  • Ice Climbers
Middle Tier
  • Ganondorf
  • Samus
  • Mewtwo
  • Ness
  • Mario
  • Dr. Mario
Low Tier
  • Young Link
  • Kirby
  • Pikachu
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Donkey Kong
Bottom Tier
  • Zelda
  • Pichu
  • Bowser


This tier list doubled as an April Fools joke and a lesson to the community to not blindly swallow the Melee Back Room tier list as the truth. Though most people suspected this tier list was a hoax, it set a precedent to criticizing the tier list that had not existed before.

To "defend" this hoax during the two tumultuous days it was the official tier list, Melee Back Room members argued that Marth was too slow to remain in the top two tiers, that Link had untapped aerial prowess, and that Jigglypuff, through speed and the Wall of Pain, ruled the air to the point of domination. Ironically, the latter prediction would come true in the post-Brawl metagame.

The Melee Back Room forgot to include Yoshi in this tier list; once people realized he was missing, the MBR placed him in middle tier, between Ness and Mario.

Sixth tier list (April 2, 2004)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Fox
  • Marth
Upper Tier
  • Falco
  • Peach
  • Captain Falcon
  • Samus
  • Jigglypuff
High Tier
  • Ganondorf
  • Mario
  • Dr. Mario
  • Luigi
Middle Tier
  • Link
  • Pikachu
  • Ice Climbers
  • Roy
  • Zelda
  • Young Link
  • Yoshi
Low Tier
  • Ness
  • Donkey Kong
  • Kirby
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Mewtwo
Bottom Tier
  • Bowser
  • Pichu


Seventh tier list (March 19, 2005)

Top Tier
  • Sheik
  • Fox
  • Marth
Upper Tier
  • Peach
  • Falco
  • Captain Falcon
  • Samus
High Tier
  • Jigglypuff
  • Dr. Mario
  • Ganondorf
  • Mario
  • Ice Climbers
Middle Tier
  • Luigi
  • Link
  • Roy
  • Donkey Kong
  • Pikachu
  • Zelda
Low Tier
  • Ness
  • Young Link
  • Yoshi
  • Kirby
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Bowser
Bottom Tier
  • Mewtwo
  • Pichu


Eighth tier list (July 8, 2006)

Top Tier
  • Fox
  • Falco
High Tier
  • Sheik
  • Marth
  • Peach
Middle Tier
  • Captain Falcon
  • Ice Climbers
  • Samus
  • Dr. Mario
  • Jigglypuff
  • Mario
  • Ganondorf
Low Tier
  • Link
  • Luigi
  • Donkey Kong
  • Roy
  • Young Link
  • Pikachu
Bottom Tier
  • Yoshi
  • Zelda
  • Mr. Game & Watch
  • Ness
  • Bowser
  • Kirby
  • Pichu
  • Mewtwo


The names of these tiers were originally called God Tier, Top Tier, High Tier, Middle Tier, and Low Tier; these names were changed to the ones shown above on July 10th, two days after the tier list was released.

This tier list marks the first time Sheik was not in top tier, and contains the biggest bottom tier of any tier list thus far. The balance of the tier list was a point of contention amongst many Smashers, who felt that it was too bottom-heavy and that the lower tiers should themselves be split, or the high tiers merged (particularly the top two).

Ninth tier list (October 14, 2008)

This is the current and final tier list. For the first time since June 2003, the Smash Back Room published each character's numerical scores.

Top Tier
High Tier
Middle Tier
Low Tier
Bottom Tier


Brawl

First Tier List (September 1, 2008)

Top Tier High Tier Middle Tier Low Tier
Meta Knight Marth Toon Link Lucas
Snake Wario Olimar Ness
King Dedede Lucario Fox Mario
Mr. Game and Watch Donkey Kong Zelda Pokemon Trainer
Falco Diddy Kong Zero Suit Samus Samus
R.O.B. Pikachu Bowser Yoshi
Ice Climbers Luigi Sonic
Kirby Peach Jigglypuff
Pit Ike Ganondorf
Wolf Sheik Link
Captain Falcon

While many players wanted to have a tier list a month or 2 after Brawl's release, the SBR decided (and with good reason) to wait at least a couple of months before making the first tier list. The idea was that making a tier list too early would result in it becoming quickly outdated, forcing the SBR to make a second one. The SBR made the correct decision. Players' perception of the tier list changed dramatically between the game's release and September. The most noticeable fluctuation was Snake's placing, who was first about mid tier, then sky rocketed to the #1 spot above Metaknight. Snake was considered the best character in the game for quite a while, this opinion being backed up by tournaments where Snake took almost all the top spots (in one case, the top 5 placings were all Snake). It wasn't until around when Mew2king started dominating with Metaknight that players realized Metaknight was better.

Second Tier List (January 5, 2009)

SS Tier S Tier A Tier B Tier C Tier D Tier E Tier F Tier G Tier

1. Meta Knight (15.00)

2. Snake (13.91)

3. Falco (13.03)
4. King Dedede (12.94)
5. Mr. Game & Watch (12.50)
6. Marth (12.09)
7. Diddy Kong (11.94)

8. Wario (11.47)
9. R.O.B. (11.38)
10-11. Lucario (10.94)
10-11. Olimar (10.94)

12. Pikachu (10.34)
13. Kirby (10.16)
14. Donkey Kong (10.06)
15. Ice Climbers (9.59)

16. Zero Suit Samus (8.88)
17. Toon Link (8.47)
18. Pit (8.44)
19. Peach (8.16)
20. Wolf (7.91)

21. Luigi (7.41)
22. Zelda (7.03)
23. Bowser (6.91)
24. Fox (6.66)
25. Sheik (6.44)
26. Ike (5.91)

27. Mario (4.56)
28. Lucas (4.50)
29. Ness (4.50)
30. Samus (4.41)
31. Sonic (4.16)
32. Pokémon Trainer (3.94)
33. Yoshi (3.66)

34. Link (2.28)
35. Jigglypuff (2.03)
36. Ganondorf (1.88)
37. Captain Falcon (1.63)

By this time no player doubted Metaknight's placing in the old tier list. In many players' opinions, Metaknight wasn't just better than every other character, but better by a noticeable gap. Metaknight was considered so good that it caused a huge debate on whether Metaknight should be allowed in tournaments. After many heated discussions, the SBR decided by vote that Metaknight should be left alone and no one should be banned.

Snake was also elevated above other characters to a similar degree, though not to the point of being considered banned. This resulted in both of these characters having their own tier list.

Diddy Kong received a huge bump up the tier list after NinjaLink successfully beat Mew2king by abusing Diddy's bananas to a level not seen before. Because landing on a banana leaves your character open to any hit or grab, Diddy is able to control the stage by placing and moving bananas around as needed.

Third Tier List (June 4, 2009)

S-Tier A-Tier B-Tier C-Tier D-Tier E-Tier F-Tier
Meta Knight Marth Lucario Peach Bowser Lucas Jigglypuff
Snake Mr. Game & Watch Zero Suit Samus Luigi Zelda Mario Captain Falcon
Wario Pikachu Toon Link Fox Pokemon Trainer Ness Link
Falco Olimar Pit Wolf Ike Yoshi Ganondorf
Diddy Kong Ice Climbers Donkey Kong Sonic Samus
King Dedede R.O.B. Sheik
Kirby

The first tier list to not have Captain Falcon last on the list. Instead, Ganondorf is last because of his slow attacks, bad recovery, and lack of mobility. In this list, Wario and Sonic made a large jump. Wario's change is due to the newly found usefulness of his great air mobility, coupled with great recovery and heavy weight, making him a very defensive character that is hard to KO. While most of the community perceived Sonic as a bad character, dedicated mains continued to defy the tier list of Jan 1, 2009 by placing high in tourneys. In this tier list, their efforts were finally recognized.

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