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They're just the only absent Pokemon.[edit]

I wasn't really paying attention to the FS meter bit. I just added it there because it's about both Incineroar and Greninja... NinTylo (talk) 17:17, November 22, 2019 (EST)

Then be careful and read the trivia point next time. Plus, the trivia point you added is speculative and doesn't have any relationship whatsoever. You have been warned about this before. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:19, November 22, 2019 (EST)

Polish PR[edit]

I already created a page based on the Ultimate/Melee versions of the Polish power rankings. Can you delete the two separate pages? MemeDedede (talk) 17:20, December 1, 2019 (EST)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't delete pages. You should probably ask Aidan or Serpent King, since they are the more active administrators. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:40, December 1, 2019 (EST)

Nairo Page[edit]

Hi. Thanks for reformatting the headings on the Nairo page for me, I admittedly wasn't thinking straight. Also if you have anything I can improve on with my section, let me know. I want to do more with other top players, and don’t mind any criticism. PowerShield03 (talk) 16:36, December 12, 2019 (EST)

No problem! From a quick skim I believe only some wording problems should be fixed, but other than that it's fine. I'm currently watching The Game Awards right now so I won't really be able to take a closer look at the article. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 20:52, December 12, 2019 (EST)


You have been committing insubordination and have been acting in a way that is also against my husband Hermes. It is obvious that you think you can get away with this because he is black, and my darling Hermes is too polite to be saying anything about it, but I am not polite. You should not be allowed to get away with this blatant racism and insubordination, and I believe you deserve to be punished for it! LaBarbara Conrad (talk) 17:19, December 16, 2019 (EST)

Oh welcome back. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:19, December 16, 2019 (EST)

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Ok, it was kinda funny the first time, but stop creating sockpuppets. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 18:11, December 17, 2019 (EST)

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About the IP I battled yesterday[edit]

First I do appreciate that you stood up for me on his/her talk page, however one thing I did read before is that starting topics with "Listen up" or "Hold it" are something that should be left for admins. However because of the IP's past actions I think it was OK to say that this time, this is mainly a reminder for other times. Oh and don't worry about me, I'm known for having high self-esteem in real life. (Also would it be wrong if I asked for a welcome message on my talk? I never did get one for some reason.) Image for my signiture icon. OmegαToαd64 23:03, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Yeah, usually I'm much more soft with first offenders and good faith editors. However, given the circumstances and the IP's past behavior, I had to be more blunt about the matter. A long as it isn't block talk, it should be fine.
As for the welcome message, I guess I can give you one? CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 23:13, February 9, 2020 (EST)
Thanks for the welcome message☆ Anyways I agree with you. I think the rule mostly applies to users who are being warned for the first few times, but because that IP has been warned countless times in the past and yet still insists on having things their way, I believe that can be an exception. Image for my signiture icon. OmegαToαd64 23:42, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Link's Updates[edit]

On Link's SSBU page, it says in his 4.0.0 update that he uses a Deku Shield and not his Hylian Shield. How does one change it? Zvoosh25 (talk) 17:31, February 10, 2020 (EST)

I got it. All of the updates are in this template. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:34, February 10, 2020 (EST)
Thanks, preciate it Zvoosh25 (talk) 17:42, February 10, 2020 (EST)

DQs on smasher pages[edit]

If a player was not DQed from a bracket entirely (meaning from both winners and losers), their tournament placing should not have "(DQ)" next to it, since a loss still factored in to their low placing in some manner.

For example, yeti's page should have it (since he never actually lost a set), but Goblin's should not (since he still lost in Winners to VoiD). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:01, February 24, 2020 (EST)

About deleting cancelled tournaments[edit]

Should instead of marking cancelled tournaments for speedy deletion, should there be stuff pointing out that the Coronavirus was the reason for cancellation similar to Wikipedia pages on cancelled sporting events? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:14, March 12, 2020 (EDT)

I guess it may be fine, but it depends on the tournament. Tournaments like Umebura SP 8 and Emerald City 9 will still happen in the future, so a note about it's initial cancellation should be noted. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:18, March 12, 2020 (EDT)
On second thought, I don't know if there's really a point as to leaving the Pound 2020 page up, since it's basically empty and pointless to leave up. I think a note should be left on the Pound tournament series page instead. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:19, March 12, 2020 (EDT)

About the smasher pages[edit]

I just read your comment about the smasher pages and how I should add tournament results, I will do so but I just want to know if there is a method to find more easily the results of a player Eknoa (talk) 11:45, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

Smashdata is a website that I recommend to everyone who works on Smasher pages. It lists a lot of Ultimate results including locals and online tournaments, but only lists PGR'd Smash 4 tournaments and a few major Melee tournaments. I also use Special:WhatLinksHere on the wiki to see if there are any regional tournaments that Smashdata may have missed (type in Smasher:name of smasher and results should appear). If you really cannot find anything, a Google search may be helpful, but I find it more frustrating and use it as a last-ditch effort. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 11:50, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

Thanks! I will use it next time Eknoa (talk) 14:38, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

no apple[edit]

no apple :( PowerShield03 (talk) 22:49, March 22, 2020 (EDT)

:( CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 22:52, March 22, 2020 (EDT)
Well there is actually a HK player called "Apple", but she is pretty much completely retired at this point lol Grand Dad.png Naughty🐽GRAND DAD 自閉肥宅 GRAND DAD!? 00:44, March 23, 2020 (EDT)
I'm confused. SmashNerd (talk) 17:49, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
It's best to leave it without context :) CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:50, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
ight Imma head out (leaves unnoticed) SmashNerd (talk) 17:56, April 5, 2020 (EDT)

Pilotwings franchise description[edit]

Would it be necessary to add a franchise description to the Pilotwings page? Son Daniel (talk) 13:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
We don't have franchise descriptions for universes that only have a stage/assist trophy representation, so no it's not necessary. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:31, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
Is that so? What franchises should have descriptions then? Son Daniel (talk) 13:41, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
Only those represented by a fighter. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:42, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
Wow! I guess that tells readers that having a fighter representing a universe is something! Thanks! Son Daniel (talk) 13:47, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

How do I fix the links[edit]

I created a page for the Swedish player that goes by Mint. Apparently there is also a PR Utah player that goes by Mint as well(Not to mention the Irish player MINT). I wasn't sure how to fix the Utah player so that it no longer linked to the Swedish player.

I also noticed, that the Swedish player appears to have gone by a different name in the past. I wasn't sure how to get that pate to direct to the main page for the smasher. Thanks for all the help you have been providing Wiifitkid (talk) 20:35, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Try including which region the two Mints come from. For example, you could say: Mint (Utah) and Mint (Sweden). Hope this helps! SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 20:37, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
No worries, I'll get to it.
In the future, for Smashers from different places, do {{Sm|Mint|p=Utah}}. For your latter question, put #REDIRECT [[Smasher:HekNet]], which should redirect to the page. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 20:38, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Thanks that helps a lot! Wiifitkid (talk) 20:40, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Hitbox pages[edit]

You know about the pages that talk about the hitboxes of attacking moves. How are they useful to those who read it? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 14:09, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

It's technical data, and it has a variety of uses, such as seeing how many frames a move hits to plan out combos or how flawed some moves are. I'm not the most knowledgeable about technical data, so I don't have much to say. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 15:54, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

Metagame section[edit]

Completely get deleting the matchup up chart. The rest, I had a question on since the entire section was removed. What would be a better way of tackling the section. I was trying to figure how to prove the progression through the meta /the characters place in the meta and i couldnt really think of how to do that without using Orion stats and a collective matchup chart. .

So just looking for advice on this part. Wiifitkid (talk) 21:10, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

Try emulating what has been done in other articles. Most of them start by describing initial opinions and representation, then how both changed/stayed the same and what caused the perception change (eg. buff/nerf from patches, a player who greatly pushed the metagame). I assume you're part of the Wii Fit Trainer Discord, so you could ask top players how they initially viewed Wii Fit Trainer, and how it's different now. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:58, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

An IP request[edit]

Um, Mr. Cookies and Creme, there's an IP who requests us to add an up taunt of female Byleth on her page. He claims the taunt to be different from the male up taunt. Should we really listen to him? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 22:07, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

Try checking it yourself, although I'm pretty sure the main difference is what they say. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 22:08, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
Also, you may not have talked to the correct IP. The one you did hasn't been active since last month. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 22:14, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
Good point, but I did look at the page history of Byleth's talk page, and the IP I talked to made a new section there. SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 22:18, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
Oh I see. That's a relatively old talk page post (February 3, 2020‎, about a week after Byleth released), and it seems like it has already been added. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 22:32, April 8, 2020 (EDT)
The female taunt? Or are you talking about the male taunt? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 23:12, April 8, 2020 (EDT)

(reset indent) The female taunt. The female up taunt is listed as different than the male one. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 08:45, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Oh, actually, the IP’s request was to add the gif of the female taunt like we did with the male one. I apologize for the confusion. SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:25, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
I guess it would be fine if you upload a separate gif of the female up taunt. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:40, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
I can only upload photos. I don’t have any apps that help me make gifs. I apologize for the inconvenience. SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:45, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Hate to bother you, but it’s about this and this[edit]

Two IPs have been present. One added a trivia point about the Brawl tourney, and the other deleted a trivia point regarding Byleth’s hitboxes. What should I do? I don’t wanna get in an edit war. SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:36, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

It's not edit warring if you're removing a user's edit as long as that edit's not a reversion of a previous one (undoing an undo). I'm not the most familiar with hitboxes so I won't be of much use, but for the Brawl tourney point, we didn't do the same for Smash 64 and Melee, so feel free to undo it and it's been removed. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:40, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
(edit conflict)
I'm not C&C, but:
  1. The first one I undid. If there's no reason for a trivia point (or any edit, for that matter) to be on the page, then there's no reason not to undo it, unless it's been undone before. If the IP adds it back, then that's their own issue.
  2. You did the right thing by contacting the IP on their talk page; while I will note that IPs don't really have a way to be notified that their talk page is changed (to my knowledge), confronting a user is the best step rather than undoing their edit once again.
Hope this helps. Aidan, the Rurouni 13:41, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
Oh yeah! Thanks for the advice! SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:44, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Power Rankings[edit]

Gonna assume your right and that it's not considered official power rankings. That said, I thought I figured I would go ahead and link the Twitter thread to you just in case.

Haruki and Juddy. Haruki is the creator of Japanese power rankings and Juddy is the one that usually translates japanese brackets for the smash community. Wiifitkid (talk) 16:08, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Hmm... not sure if I would let this slide tbh, since this is someone dealing with another community's ranking (and from what I can tell, they don't have their own ranking). I happen to know him on Discord, so I can ask to see if these can work. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 16:24, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
Asked around, and yeah it's more of an addendum to Barnard's OrionRank than an official PR. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 16:32, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

Gotcha thanks for looking into it. User:Wiifitkid

Just sign your posts with ~~~~ in the future. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 16:39, April 9, 2020 (EDT)


I spotted an IP rewording the franchise description. Can it be ignored, or is it a problem? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:20, April 10, 2020 (EDT)

I'll handle it this time. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:22, April 10, 2020 (EDT)
In the future, I believe you should try to make your own decisions as to what should be reverted and what shouldn't. I won't always be online to help you. If you make a mistake, it's perfectly fine. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 13:25, April 10, 2020 (EDT)

Hitbox gifs[edit]

I want to help upload hitbox gifs, so how are they made? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 18:02, April 10, 2020 (EDT)

I'm not the one who handles the hitbox gifs so idk. From what I know Zeckemyro handles most, if not all, the hitbox gifs. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 18:26, April 10, 2020 (EDT)

Instructional quote code[edit]

So I was trying to convert cite quotes to instructional quote tables like this. <nowiki>==Instructional quotes==<nowiki\>

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Move List [[File:{{{ssbuchar}}}HeadSSBU.png|20px|link={{{ssbuchar}}} (SSBU)]] Fires a slow, heavy cannonball. Can be charged to boost cannonball's speed and power.

What code should I use when I want the source to be from the Wii U instruction manual? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 15:04, April 19, 2020 (EDT)

Took a look at the template itself, and it doesn't seem like we have one for Wii U. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 15:45, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
I wonder, could we edit one in the template? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 16:31, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
You may want to ask an administrator/bureaucrat about it first, since I'm not sure we accept quotes from the Wii U instruction manual. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:05, April 19, 2020 (EDT)

Smasher and tournaments[edit]

Nice work! Your contributions reflect the kind of awesome work we SmashWikidians like to see!
Nice job with all the pages on the competetive scene! Seriously how do you keep up with all of it considering you yourself aren't a competitive player? You deserve this, keep up the good work! Image for my signiture icon. OmegαToαd64the Best Kαrter 22:57, April 19, 2020 (EDT)


Hello, Cookies and Creme. I talked about my template draft to Disaster Flare and Omega Tyrant and asked about their opinion about the draft. I noticed sponsor articles does not have an infobox, so I decided to draft one: Template:Infobox Team. I was wondering if you would like to check my draft, and I'm happy if you decide to edit to improve the template if necessary. User signature icon. Derekblue1 (talk) User signature icon. 07:14, April 22, 2020 (EDT)

I've taken a look at it before, and I believe you got everything down. If you upload it to mainspace, you can always add to it later just in case we forgot something. Nevertheless, nice job on the template. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 08:32, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
Thank you for replying, Cookies 'n' Creme. I am going to merge it to the template itself. User signature icon. Derekblue1 (talk) User signature icon. 10:01, April 22, 2020 (EDT)

Hitbox resources[edit]

An administrator—specifically DisasterFlare—has suggested to ask you for hitbox resources. Where can I get resources for frame data? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 21:15, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

Um I don't really deal with resources for frame data; you may have messed me up with User:Zeckemyro. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:33, April 23, 2020 (EDT)
On the other hand, if you need help with finding tournament results and videos, you can ask me and I can try my best to help. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:40, April 23, 2020 (EDT)
Tournament results? Great! Thank you! SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 21:43, April 23, 2020 (EDT)

Wii Fit Trainer in competitive play[edit]

Which tournament videos/results have Wii Fit Trainer mains showing the potential viability/unviability of the character? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 02:58, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

I'm not Cookies and Cream but I can give you our best results by tier, or some notable wins in top level matches if thats what your looking for. We also maintain a VOD document in our discord. Alternatively you could check in with Invy, who is a poster here. Invy is a pretty well respected figure in the community and has done a fair amount of work on techs. Wiifitkid (talk) 05:09, April 24, 2020 (EDT)
I also recommend searching for videos with Varun or John Numbers, who both are one of the best WFT in the world right now. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 08:02, April 24, 2020 (EDT)
That's a good point. Varun and John Numbers also show off two very different styles of play so gives you a good range if your going to try to get a feel for the character in competitive play . I'd also throw Evy in that mix as they are generally mentioned as a group. Most of her VODS are under the tag Stas. Wiifitkid (talk) 09:16, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

Saigon Power Rankings[edit]

I wanted to get your take on these power rankings. Do you believe these to be official. If so Im going to make a wiki page based on the first 3 seasons from braacket. I had reached out to Akumura a while ago but have yet to hear back. Wiifitkid (talk) 08:51, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

The community that posted the PR seems to be the official Vietnam Smash community, so I am very sure it's an official PR. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 08:55, April 27, 2020 (EDT)
I happened to contact Akumura literally today, did u contact him on Discord? If you DM him, you should be able to get a reply. Btw, he also said that he is not gonna run events anymore. Yes, a lot of Asia scenes use braacket as official rankings... Grand Dad.png Naughty🐽GRAND DAD 自閉肥宅 GRAND DAD!? 10:29, April 27, 2020 (EDT)
Yeah I contacted him through Discord. He doesnt know me, weve only crossed paths on the Wii Fit Discord so that may be why he didnt respond. Wiifitkid (talk) 10:32, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Notable tournaments?[edit]

What are the conditions for tournaments in order for them to have articles? SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 13:48, April 28, 2020 (EDT)

There actually aren't any notability guidelines for tournaments I believe. I have heard that a tournament should have at least 50 entrants to be notable (unless it is a weak region), or the tournament has a lot of top players attended. Usually weeklies aren't notable enough unless they are the special ones like Ursa Minor. Grand Dad.png Naughty🐽GRAND DAD 自閉肥宅 GRAND DAD!? 13:59, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
(edit conflict, but basically what NPM said) It's a gut feeling mostly since there aren't concrete rules for tournaments. For me, tournaments on this wiki shouldn't have less than 50 entrants unless there are several top/known players attending. Smaller regions do get a bit more leeway as long as several PR'd players attend. Also, don't make a tournament just so it can exist; make an effort to find results and characters. What tournaments do you have in mind? CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 14:00, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, also please follow SmashWiki:Manual of Style#Tournament pages ( a new section (?)) that covers how to make a tournament page properly. Just a reminder. Grand Dad.png Naughty🐽GRAND DAD 自閉肥宅 GRAND DAD!? 14:03, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
Oh no, I don’t have anything in mind, I just wanna know what makes a tournament worthy of having an article (if “worthy” isn’t too strong of a word, I’ll stick with that). SonDanielAn icon for my signature.A signature head icon. (talk page) 14:47, April 28, 2020 (EDT)