User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3

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Just so you know[edit]

I created a workaround for the News template thing as you requested here. See here. Serpent SKSig.png King 14:41, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Could I get your help real quick?[edit]

You follow the tournament scene better than I do. Could you look at this and tell me if it's legit? Keep in mind that the user in question has a less than favorable track record. Thanks. Serpent SKSig.png King 01:53, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, it's legit. I recognize some of the players (like KFC and Choknater) and the group is listed in the Facebook section of r/smashbros. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 01:58, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
._. ok then, thanks Serpent SKSig.png King 02:15, 2 September 2016 (EDT)

NorCal PR[edit]

There is a new Smash 4 PR of June-July as stated in the Facebook NorCal Smash group, but I feel THERE IS a PR missing, which had Ito in the 0 place, Trevonte in 1st and Shaky in 3rd, AFAIK. Could you please include both in the PR page? Thx, have a nice day. --My signature's image :v BeepYou: I told y'all she wasn't bottom tier! (talk) 00:35, 8 September 2016 (EDT)


You can just remove the characters that they played, results are still results PoultrysigSSB4.pngPoultryPoultrysigSSBM.png(talk) the God-Slayer 13:46, 11 September 2016 (EDT)

Ummm[edit] this you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poultry (talkcontribs) {{{2}}}

Yeah, that's me. I live in MD/VA, so I've been to a few tournaments. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
Caught my eye when I was editing, also it's not like me to not sign my comments PoultrysigSSB4.pngPoultryPoultrysigSSBM.png(talk) the God-Slayer 14:09, 24 September 2016 (EDT)


Sorry, didn't realize that, where does it say that? (not doubting you, but I just don't know where to find it) (Crim (talk) 05:52, 27 September 2016 (EDT))

It's no problem! It's not really a written policy, it just becomes tedious to link players every time in a single section, so it's basically an unwritten rule to just link players once per section (including teammates in tournament results). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 05:55, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
oh okay, I'll abide by it then just thought it looked better with the links lmao (Crim (talk) 05:58, 27 September 2016 (EDT))

Regarding Canada Cup and Melee[edit]

Jamal, you might want to see this. Would this news help increase the competition for the Melee event at Canada Cup 2016?

Confirmation about Armada, Mango, Mew2King, and Hungrybox at Canada Cup 2016 --FXSig2.png The Combo King (Thanks for Playing, GGs) 09:57, 27 September 2016 (EDT)

I'd like your input[edit]

Seeing as you are sort of the guru when it comes to the competitive scene, I would like your input on this matter. Thanks! Serpent SKSigHalloween.png King 21:47, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

Back Room[edit]

They all voted on the SB4 Tier List, which makes them Back Room PoultrysigSSB4.pngPoultryPoultrysigSSBM.png(talk) the God-Slayer 12:34, 29 October 2016 (EDT)

Smasher notability[edit]

S'up. Regarding the new policies on certain smashers' notability, can you help us by adding reasons why players are notable if we don't end up finding them? For example, I saw 7 (Link player from possibly Florida), but have not found results. I could search in Smashboards but I do not have an account there, so it's not easy for me.
So if you could help, I would appreciate it very much. Thankies. --My signature's image :v Merry Christ... I mean, Happy Halloween from BeepYou... (talk) 19:58, 31 October 2016 (EDT)

idk if this is legit info or not[edit]

So I found out you added the [[Italian smashers]] category to Xzax's page. I would like to know if this is legit information. You also added the category as the primary region (primary regions are for place of birth). Do you know if Xzax is born in Italy or if this is speculation. That's all I would like to know. --FXSig2.png Happy Holidays, from Falcon-X 10:13, 30 November 2016 (EST)

Xzax's Facebook says he's from Florence, Italy. He was very likely born there. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2016 (EST)
If I may, Jamal is highly respected here on the wiki for his competitive knowledge. I doubt something like this would have been added due to speculation. AidanzapunkChristmasSig.pngAidan, the Jolly Dragon WarriorAidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png 11:59, 30 November 2016 (EST)


the purpose of these links is to link to a site. even if they have notable results (actually only Badr has notable results) it does not make sense to leave redlinks to link to a non existent site. people can still create the playersite and afterwards link players in other articles. also it just looks ugly on the site and gives it a unharmonic surface

--Hmm (talk) 23:35, 5 December 2016 (EST)

The opposite is true. Redlinks are our way of knowing "hey, this page should be created". They are not really a bad thing. Serpent SKSig.png King 23:41, 5 December 2016 (EST)

getting top 48 at UGC is by far not a relevant result. UGC was stacked but only in the top echelon. the event had only 200~ entrants, so getting top 48 is not really a relevant placing and if you look at his run it shows even more why good "placings" at stacked but rather small tournaments is not equally to a notable performance!

his road to top 48 was 2:0 W against Miloni, 0:2 L against Scatt, 2:0 W against Tmacc, 3:1 W against Rython, 2:3 L against KID Goggles (he did not beat 1 notable player) --Hmm (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2016 (EST)

Miloni is ranked 9th in Michigan and he took Goggles to Game 5. 200+ entrants also isn't terribly small, either. He's notable enough. On top of that, Joe Barrels is the owner of Events2Compete, one of the most influential organizations for competitive Smash in the Midwest, so he deserves a page regardless of his skill level. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2016 (EST)

Nintendo tournament sponsorship category?[edit]

Given that we now know NoA is working with yet another major (Genesis 4), I was wondering if we should perhaps make a category to keep track of all such tournaments. Thoughts? Miles (talk) 12:35, 19 January 2017 (EST)

Seeing as how there's been a decent amount of Nintendo-sponsored tournaments now (all EVOs from 2013 to 2016, Apex 2015, GENESIS 3 and 4, and The Big House 5; not sure if I'm missing any), I think it would be fine. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2017 (EST)

Master Puffy[edit]

The Jigglypuff from our Mexican scene was trying to see if he could get a page for himself in the wiki. Do you think he should get one, based on his results with the Puff? --My signature's image :v BeepYou, the one with a broken heart... (don't talk to me) 19:51, 1 February 2017 (EST)

From what I've been able to find, he mainly seems to be an online player. (I can see videos of him from Battle on the Strip, Hero to ZeRo, UGC Online Open, etc.) I'm hesitant for him to have a page if he doesn't have at least some noteworthy offline results. If you could find some, though, it should be fine. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2017 (EST)


Can I see you there? I wanted to talk with you about something. --My signature's image :v BeepYou My signature's image :v (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2017 (EDT)

All right, I'm there now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 03:43, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
Did something happen? You suddenly disconnected :o --My signature's image :v BeepYou My signature's image :v (talk) 03:50, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
I exited out on accident, oops. I'm back now, though. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 03:52, 30 March 2017 (EDT)


This, This, and This. Maddox is a TO and I think he knows if it's closed or not. I know that says that it's open, but I would take the word of the TOs over what it says. I think what also says it is that there were a ton of people registering yesterday (Probably around 40) but there haven't been any people registering since then. Diamond444 (talk) 13:38, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

Fair enough. I've reverted it back. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

Brawl matchups[edit]

As someone who is more well-versed in this Brawl thing than I am, is the "current" matchup chart for Brawl still considered accurate, or have there been enough metagame changes since its publication that warrant it as outdated as our Melee matchup charts?

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:18, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Is it as outdated as Melee's? Definitely not, although I would say it's certainly inaccurate in some areas (such as MK being even with Pikachu, even though ESAM, the main person who pushed for it being even, now believes that Pikachu loses that matchup). Some of the matchups for ICs are also debatable. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:10, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

Random character question.[edit]

Offhand, do you happen to know which characters in each game have won a national tournament? Was just thinking about this today. If you don't know, that's okay.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 14:55, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

In terms of surefire nationals:
For Melee: Marth, Captain Falcon, Falco, Fox, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Sheik, and Peach have all won nationals throughout the game's history.
For Brawl: Meta Knight (duh), Snake, Diddy Kong, Wario, Falco, Zero Suit Samus, and Ice Climbers have all won MK-legal nationals.
For Smash 4: Diddy Kong, Zero Suit Samus, Sheik, Mario, Marth, Rosalina, Cloud, Mewtwo, and Sonic have all won major tournaments. In terms of smaller nationals, Meta Knight, Villager, Fox, and Bayonetta have also won.
For 64: Pikachu, Kirby, Captain Falcon, Fox, Jigglypuff, and Samus have all won nationals (half of the cast, basically). I may or may not be missing a few, as this is definitely the game I'm least knowledgeable about.
I'm not sure if you want Project M or not, so I'll leave it be for now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 01:23, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
I would be interested in PM, sure.
For the Smash 4 characters, does your list include characters that have won with custom moves or no?
Also, gee whillikers, Samus won a Smash 64 national? What a strange game.
--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 12:47, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

The removal of those tournament placings[edit]

SW:SMASHER explicitly states that we record all verifiable tournament placings, with nothing I can see saying online tournaments are exempt, so isn't that basically breaching that policy? Disaster Flare My signature image for the default signature. Duplicate of Lucina's life white stock head. (talk) 20:49, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

Online tournaments should generally only be added if they're high-profile. All offline tournaments with legitimate rules are fine. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:51, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
But again, the policy states all verifiable tournament placings. It's a placing, it's verified, so I still don't see why they can't be there. That's my problem here. Disaster Flare My signature image for the default signature. Duplicate of Lucina's life white stock head. (talk) 20:52, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
Sounds like a case of the policy needing revised, because it would be completely ludicrous to include every single online tournament in these listings. Serpent SKSig.png King 20:54, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
(edit conflict) I agree with Jamal here. I feel like online tournaments don't properly test the capabilities of smashers owing to concerns over lag and other such issues, and I wouldn't be opposed to generally not including them on pages, even if they were major.
--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:55, 9 July 2017 (EDT)


For what reason did you remove the tournament bracket link to Karisuma 13 and 14 on Edge's page? Are you planning on making tournament pages for those tournaments? Piledrivaaa (talk) 01:09, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

If someone removes a bracket and makes it a redlink, they do it because it deserves to have a page. It's a PGR-qualified tournanent and I think all tournaments that qualify for PGR should have a page. I do plan to make those pages, yes. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Okay, I was just curious as to what your reasoning was. Thank you. Piledrivaaa (talk) 04:50, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Your input[edit]

Nobody else is really sure what to do, so I'm trying to see what your input on what we should do with {Sm|Pizza}, which has been flagged for a while. Flare is clueless, and Serp reckons he might be notable for being a TO but is otherwise just as uncertain. Let us know on Discord what you think we should do. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 05:02, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

PGR V4[edit]

Thanks for letting me know. I just added the 2GG Championship because I know a lot of people search the wiki in order to find out about upcoming tournaments. Isn't there only one slot still open? This isn't an exigent matter, but I feel they can already give a tier ranking and adjust it later if they see fit, like what was done with FE Saga. My ideas are not totally unequivocal though, it's just a thought. Apologies if I this is a nuisance, I'm just trying to be helpful.

Pianoman (talk) 17:07, 7 November 2017 (EST)


Hito, can we get you to do another bit of research for us? We're having trouble determining the notability of [Smasher:Deer]. Can you look into it for us please? In particular, we need the worthiness of the Thessaloniki PR determined, the existence of the Greek Smash 4 PR, and whether or not Deer is on that one. Thanks! Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 05:14, 6 December 2017 (EST)

News Template[edit]

Hey, thanks for letting me know about C-tier events. From the looks of it, B-tier and higher deserve top 3 results, correct?

Since you seem a lot more knowledgeable about competitive Smash, I was wondering if you can answer these two questions. What determines whether a tournament is a regional or a super-regional? Also, what determines whether a non-Smash 4 event should have top 3 results or not. There doesn't seem to be a fancy list like PGR for the other games. Pokebub (talk) 03:09, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Generally speaking, yes, only B-Tiers and above get mention in this regard. In this scenario, though, after thinking about it, I'm actually okay with top 3 for both games getting mentioned (since the only events were singles for both games and no doubles, plus Smash 4 had over 150 entrants).
In terms of super regionals/regionals, I feel like super regionals are typically for tournaments more stacked than your average regional, but not quite on the level of a national (although it can be subjective, of course). Competition from other regions can help in this regard, too.
As for non-Smash 4 games, since there isn't really a list like the PGR, it's usually safe to go with tournaments on the national tournaments page, although some tournaments like Pat's House 3 can be mentioned as well. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 09:35, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Mr. R[edit]

Mr. R did beat Nairo with his Falcon

GRAND DAD  talk 06:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)
Reread what I said: "He never beat Nairo with Falcon at an offline tournament." That tournament was online. My statement was correct. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 06:25, 4 July 2018 (EDT)


Are you sure WaDi loses with R.O.B more often than not? He still holds wins on Samsora, Fatality, Rags, 6WX, Manny, Pink Fresh, Seagull Joe , T and Myran. Actually he used R.O.B. quite a lot it is almost a co-main. Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? GRAND DAD!? 02:06, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

How many of those wins were in 2018 at tournaments that qualified for PGR? Please tell me in full detail where each of those wins took place. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 03:33, 2 August 2018 (EDT)
After looking at WaDi's PGR v5, I found all of the players ranked on PGR v5 that he beat: Darkshad (GENESIS 5), Locus x2 (Frostbite 2018 and Get On My Level 2018), Zinoto (Frostbite 2018), Lima x2 (King of the Springs 3 and EGLX 2018), ESAM x2 (EGLX 2018), Dabuz (Mason Versus: Mr. E), 6WX (Mason Versus: Mr E), and Mistake (Glitch 4). Every single one of these wins was with Mewtwo. I think it can be safely concluded that his R.O.B. is a secondary. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 06:57, 2 August 2018 (EDT)


Um... why? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 07:32, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

I feel like I have seizure every time he undid my edits, especially seeing his redlinks everywhere. Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? GRAND DAD!? 07:41, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

I guess he was right then, there are so much going on on that article and still yet super unfinshied. It was hard to create that article and it took a lot of time. Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? GRAND DAD!? 07:44, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

@Black Vulpine: It's partially my fault for not making an edit summary, but if you could, please try not to assume that I would make an edit like that for no reason. I clarified on my newest edit summary on there.
@NaughtyPigMario: Considering our Twitter interaction, I feel like you're taking a lot of my edits against you personally. I don't have anything against you moreso that I think there are some flaws in some of your edits, such as poor grammar (I don't think you're a native English speaker, so it's understandable, though). I know you're just trying to contribute to the wiki, but keep in mind that I'm trying to do that as well, so please don't think badly of me. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 07:54, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
I'm not trying to make any assumptions. As I said in my edit summary, I do trust your judgement, only your judgement was completely unknown to me at that moment. I know perfectly well that you don't do anything on here without a reason. I apologise if you thought otherwise. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 07:58, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
Yeah, I should've made an edit summary to begin with, but it completely slipped my mind, so that was my bad. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 08:10, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

I have a lot of flaws LOL I sucks. I don't know how I got into ssbwiki. First I am into ssbworld and now this too. Why I never put time into studying? I wish I have other consoles in my home (other than NDS and SNES), so I can learn these games better. Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? GRAND DAD!? 08:02, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

As I said, your heart is in the right place, but there are things you should be careful about, like adding all of Ally's local characters to the notable players section of each of their respective pages. I think you have certainly made good edits in the past. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 08:10, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

IDK, I just feel like some of his characters are somehow notable to me for whatever reasons, semi-notable or something, like his Cloud, Diddy and Falcon. Especially his Diddy has beaten players like Dabuz, Nairo, 6WX and NAKAT. But yeah maybe thats only 2015 notable and not notable now because pretty much after 2017, Ally don't really pull out secondaries at all (even in locals). I have a weird mind lol. Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? GRAND DAD!? 08:16, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Tech Republic IV[edit]

Why did you add Tech Republic IV to the news board? It's only a C-Tier, and didn't you state that generally we post B-tiers and over? Or is it because it's one of the biggest Ultimate tournaments in Europe? SugarCookie 420 15:08, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Yes @ it being the biggest tournament in Europe. Also, the PGR this season is determined by tournament size rather than how stacked they were. For example, Ultimate Nimbus is decently stacked, but it would only be a C-Tier because of its size. I think we can afford to be somewhat flexible until the first PGR is out if it's a stacked enough tournament. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2019 (EST)
Perfectly fine with me. SugarCookie 420 18:03, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Just wondering[edit]

Have you ever considered making a userpage? Some people think it's strange you've been on this wiki for quite some time and still have a red link as your userpage. Not trying to tell you to create one, so don't take this the wrong way. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 16:22, May 30, 2019 (EDT)

The secondary[edit]

What was Nairo referring to here then? Everyone's saying Captain Falcon. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 09:27, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

On second thought it may just be sarcasm. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 09:31, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
He was jokingly saying that ZSS was Marss's secondary, yeah. This tweet was posted when Marss pulled out Falcon against Leo in Grand Finals. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 09:34, July 1, 2019 (EDT)

Japan Player Rankings[edit]

Is it possible we can change it this time around? I honestly don't think Top 100 is that much overkill. Plus, it allows easier access to the part of the list most people don't really know about, and it makes it easier for users to update Power Rankings for players. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:33, January 15, 2020 (EST)

On second thought I have another idea. Go ahead and ignore this. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:39, January 15, 2020 (EST)

CEO Dreamland[edit]

I don't think it would hurt to show everyone who made it out of pools, at least for Melee. I understand that with Ultimate it might be too unwieldy. What's the site policy on how many results to display vs the number of entrants btw? Lovedelic (talk) 11:51, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

Generally speaking, it's relative to how stacked the event is (although size can also be a factor). With Melee having basically only 3 Top 50 players in attendance now (Hbox/n0ne/Gahtzu), I don't think going past Top 32 is necessary. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:16, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
Adding .00 when some of the other prizing is .50, .20, etc. looks so much cleaner and more professional imo. Do you wanna pull rank on this because I really think you're making a mistake. Lovedelic (talk) 20:09, March 14, 2020 (EDT)
It feels like padding to add ".00" since the actual value of the money remains the same; the opposite is true for ".50" and such. Not attempting to pull rank, I just feel like it's not necessary at all. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:51, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

ESAM secondaries[edit]

ESAM uses Pichu a lot in Squad Strike and I remember he used Jigglypuff at Glitch 8. For Mario and Roy, I'm not sure. I also added Falcon on the page, but I gave proof in my edit. PowerShield03 (talk) 13:11, March 27, 2020 (EDT) PowerShield03 (talk) 13:12, March 27, 2020 (EDT)