User talk:Black Vulpine/Archive 1

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Hi there![edit]

Welcome!

Welcome to our wiki, and thank you for your contributions! There's a lot to do around here, so I hope you'll stay with us and make many more improvements.

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Serpent SKSig.png King 01:04, 9 April 2017 (EDT)


It's an honour to be here, and thank you for your welcome. I'm still learning how to work a wiki, but I'm really humbled by your welcome, and I hope to make an impact on this site, whether adding info where it is missing, or defending certain articles from vandalism. You probably already noticed some of this. With your help, I hope to become a valuable member of the community.

I should point out that I don't really look much at info about tournament players, so I probably won't be touching any Smasher bios, outside of my own. However, I'll still be on the lookout for foul play.

These links you've given me will help me learn what I can do when editing a page, but I'll most definitely come to you if I have any questions! At the moment I'm researching Smash for Switch. So far all I can confirm is that it's going to happen. That's literally all I know, so it's probably not worth writing down anywhere other than here. I'll keep my eyes out though.

Once again, thank you for your support. I promise to do the best I can, where I can. Black Vulpine (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Cool, no problem. Uh I should also mention that we have set up a semi-new discord channel that you can find out more about here. We'd love to have you there, and once again, welcome to SmashWiki! Serpent SKSig.png King 02:28, 9 April 2017 (EDT)
Sounds good. If I ever join Discord, I'll be sure to take a look. Black Vulpine (talk) 02:31, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Just noticed you've been giving a few tweaks to some of the things I've been doing today, including correcting errors on my userpage. Thanks for looking out, Serp! ^.^ Black Vulpine (talk) 04:21, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Happy to help, not a problem. Serpent SKSig.png King 05:01, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

Discord[edit]

Ok so I have been trying to think on how best to word this, and I think I have it right now, so here goes. I sense great promise in you, and I feel like in a couple of months or so, you could make yourself an asset to SmashWiki. That being the case, I am willing to sort of...coach you through your newbie days, powering you through them quickly, and the best way to do that is with the discord channel. I hope you reconsider joining it, with that said. Thanks! Serpent SKSig.png King 22:27, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

I have been considering joining Discord, though I'm just not quite ready to go there yet. Soon though. I promise I will seek you out when I do. I would be most grateful for your offer here. Black Vulpine (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

Congratulations[edit]

You passed your request for rollback! -- EthanEthan7sig.png(Discussion) 12:28, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

Yeah congrats, I probably won't even get out of the "none" group membership Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 12:41, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
Congrats! :D First rollback in over a year? Holy crap no wonder people blame me for not giving them rollback chances. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 13:26, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
Gj. I blame Flare for more than just that though. Serpent SKSig.png King 18:16, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
Thank you all for your support. I will continue to do my best to become a valued member of the community. Black Vulpine (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

Blue links[edit]

I'll keep those tips in mind. Thanks for the heads up. 173.171.36.66 22:45, 5 May 2017 (EDT)

Giving previewing warnings[edit]

The preview thing is less important in times of less activity. It's no use warning people about it if it doesn't actually bother anyone. Serpent SKSig.png King 21:52, 20 May 2017 (EDT)

Okay, sure. :)Black Vulpine (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2017 (EDT)

Heya[edit]

Please come see me on discord at your earliest convenience. There is something semi-serious I need to talk to you about. Thanks! Serpent SKSig.png King 23:04, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

Regarding this[edit]

I would tell you this on Discord, but I can't access Discord on my phone at this time. Moving on to the main point, I'm going to regard that as rollback misusage. It's easy to assume you rollbacked under vandalism assumption based on what you said on the noticeboard. Just because few people main a character doesn't automatically make it vandalism, and, unless someone adds someone like Shrek, those edits shouldn't be rollbacked, but instead undone if you truly have doubts. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

It happened a week ago, so I'm not sure chipping me about it now is going to accomplish much. But okay. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation 20:40, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
*moment of realization* Yeah, I suppose that's true. Remind me to never try to edit SmashWiki while on a road trip again. e_e Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
Awr, don't be like that. You're still an awesome admin in my book. :3 Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation 20:47, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

Low quality images[edit]

Can I ask why you reverted a lot of "low quality" tags? Almost all of those images have poor resolution and quality issues from being screenshotted out of prerelease video. We have the ability to upload native quality screenshots now; why not do so? Miles (talk) 11:43, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

I felt that because just about all of those pics were used as gallery images, there was really no need for new versions of them - since the vast number of wiki visitors would only be looking at the thumbnails anyway. What would be the point of having a high res image when only a small percentage of users would be looking at a thumbnail? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation 20:01, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

This edit[edit]

While it is admirable to see you enforce policy, I would like to note that we generally don't remove comments from talk pages. In this case, a talkpage message and an unsigned template would've been a more appropriate route.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 21:51, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

I got a bit over-eager. Sorry about that. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 22:45, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Once again, I know you mean well, but for this user, a probation warning is far too premature at this point; GR33NL3M0N only edited four times over the course of ten minutes, and hasn't edited since. Now, if they had spent several hours and/or days editing just his userpage or Smash Arena, such a warning would be justified, but as-is, I feel this is too early. Don't crack the whip too early, especially for neophytes.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 21:05, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

Indeed. My first 3 (I think) edits were to my userpage, far too early for anyone to jump on it. Serpent SKSig.png King 21:09, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
Okay v.v Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 21:11, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

uh...[edit]

Uh... this might be a bad time but...

"Do not dignify those who are trolling with a response at all, even if it is on your own talk page - that is exactly what they wish for. Don't play into their hands".Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 10:01, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

I am aware of this, but I felt something had to be said, because this seemed to be more like an immature child than an actual troll. For a moment there, I had switched to 'explain what policy is' mode. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 10:30, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

Practise[edit]

In the U.K. "practise" is the verb form, used in sentences like "I practise football", or "I am practising piano". Practice instead refers to a practice, e.g being a doctor. So why exactly did you mark the page with the d template? Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 09:19, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Three reasons.
  1. It's too close to being a typo redirect.
  2. It's a language distinction too minor to be deemed significant.
  3. Perhaps the biggest reason of all, which even that article you linked me (and I already read beforehand) admits to: 'Practise' just isn't used anymore these days unless it's used as a verb - and even then it's so very rare. It doesn't fit that definition here.
Does that answer your question? Oh and by the way, this should have been on that article's talk page, not here. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 09:26, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
  1. So is Shiek but we still kept that.
  2. So is Shiek but we still kept that.
  3. As someone who ives in the U.K., I beg to differ. In fact if you use practice instead of practise, you absolutely WILL have someone point it out and lecture you on correct grammar and etymology. Plus they really nailed it in during grammar lessons at my old school, and I'd imagine other schools do the same.

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 09:30, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

I'm sorry but I've never met anyone who has spelt it "Practise" (that includes English teachers) nor have i been lectured on it. This isn't like a they're, there and their situation where they all mean different things and are all commonly used in modern speech, both spellings are almost identical in meaning and quite frankly just aren't used anymore. This is all coming from a UK resident btw. BSTIK (talk) 09:41, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
That might have been true 10 years ago, but things have changed a lot these days. And critically, I have never seen 'Practise' pop up in the game. I looked up the game's music file, and even in the PAL versions, it's named 'Online Practice Stage'. Unfortunately, as our MOS dictates, we go by what the games themselves say when putting down proper nouns. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 09:36, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
Guys are we seriously arguing over how much harder it is to press the "C" key instead of the "S" one in the search bar? It's kind of a dumb thing to argue over don't you think? I'm going to give Parpotta a chance to respond before deleting it, but please consider how much it actually matters first. Serpent SKSig.png King 10:10, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
All I'm saying is that "practise" is an official verbal varient of "practice", so I think it should have a redirect. But if everyone else disagrees with me then I guess I'm wrong. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 10:22, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
Yeah. VERBAL. Its use is not a verb here. And even if it was, we gotta go by what the game names it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 10:27, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Transferred discussion made by SK[edit]

As a not-admin, you aren't allowed to have an roast page per SW:NPA. I have moved the legitimate discussion held there to here and will be deleting that page. Serpent SKSig.png King 20:01, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Actually I've got a bone to pick with you. I don't know if you've realized this but you can act rather condescending/arrogant/aggressive at times. A recent example would be when you marked the redirect page as speedy delete, you did not properly explain why, so when I undid it, it seemed as though you were just confused, however you then immediately accused me of edit warring and acted as though I was in the wrong, when you did not properly explain your reasoning behind it. Furthermore, when I started the discussion on your talk page, it was because the speedy delete template is not one that facilitates a discussion on the talk page. I was specifically asking you what the reasoning for the d template was, because it seemed like there was a very good reason for it. However you then immediately got angry at me for doing so, and even specifically mentioned me by name in an edit summary, saying something along the lines of "linking the discussion here because Alex wrongly started the discussion there" (not a direct quote, as the edit history for the page was removed), and then on the talk page you said "Oh and by the way, this should have been on that article's talk page, not here". The inclusion of "oh and by the way" made that sentence very aggressive and rude, like you were talking to me as if I were someone you hated or something. This is just the most recent example but you've done stuff like this before, not just to me by the way, and you never apologize for it or anything, which I will assume is because you don't realize you are being rude. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 13:07, 23 July 2017 (EDT) (edit): The reason I'm putting this here is because it seems kinda unpleasant to have something like this on your talk page. I am aware that I could have put it there instead. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 13:21, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Well first off, you could have posted this on my talk page, and I am going to move this there once you reply. Secondly, I'm sorry if I did come off as aggressive and rude. However, keep in mind that all of those incidents, I was simply trying to follow standard procedure when dealing with anything. Because of the formal way I manage these things, it can seem like I am coming off as being rude. In the case of avoiding edit warring, the article's discussion page should always be used, and that's simply what I was trying to get you to do, at least in future.
However I have a concern of myself about you, being that as of late, you're being a bit quick to jump to assuming bad faith whenever someone addresses you, or getting passive aggressive about such things. There was the incident with Crow, and you've been using the edit summaries a bit inappropriately too, one of which really caused the Crow incident to flare up. I'm honest to god trying to be gentle with you, I'm not having a go at you, however this is what I have observed from you as of late, and it's very concerning and damaging to the community when people start assuming bad faith. A few other people have made the same observations too, so it's not just me. Again, I'm sorry if this hurts you. Sometimes the truth hurts though, and you really do need to be aware that this is what is happening, and it needs to be managed. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:34, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say I'm "assuming bad faith". Assuming bad faith is generally defined as when you assume that an editor is making edits maliciously based on potentially inaccurate or misinformed edits. This is hardly comparable to anything I've done recently. Also other than on that one occasion when have I misused edit summaries? (This is especially odd considering like 90% of the time when I actually use an edit summary, the summary is "typo"). Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 19:47, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
As I said, you have, at least from what I've observed, been a bit too quick to assume that people are having a go at you (hence the bad faith assumptions) and getting passive aggressive with people at times. Going back to Crow again, while it was your offensive edit summary that really got the fire going, it was you getting passive aggressive with him before that that started the trouble. To your credit, you're not completely at fault for the incident, but the fact that you were the first to post offending material, however minor it was, doesn't sit well. As I say, you need to be aware of this happening, and nust chill out. Any action taken against any of your contributions shouldn't be taken as a personal attack, however that's what you are coming close to doing as of late. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:59, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
Oook. Let me start with the easy part. I went through Parpotta's last 500 edits and this was the only summary (I could have missed something, sure, by all means link me to a specific) I saw that could be seen as inappropriate, and even then it's nothing I would have called him out on. I have witnessed only minor passive aggressiveness/sarcasm in his talk posts, but again, nothing I would say he was out of line for (again, specifics if you want).
Now the hard part: I too have seen you acting arrogant and condescending as Parpotta says. I have talked to you about this on Discord and pointed out some things. Most of the time these comments occur in instances in which they are just not necessary. A minor break of 1RV is not something to get in a fuss about. If it continues and becomes a problem, that's when the "you are edit warring a lot" discussion should occur.
I want to be clear that I am not warning/yelling at either of you, but I do want to see improvement in the areas I have described. Thank you. Serpent SKSig.png King 20:19, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

The IP[edit]

Honestly, I wouldn't get involved. AFAIK, even if it was Nutta, this was outside of SmashWiki and its Discord server, and we're not supposed to be dragging off-wiki drama here. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

That explains why I didn't see anything then, because I've been reading every single message on the server. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:57, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

Why I think the IP is Nutty[edit]

Judging by your comments in the edit summaries, I think you think the IP is fake. Well, if he was, then I doubt the IP would know about the...interesting topic between nutta and beep. Penro 06:47, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

I do think it's nutta, but I have to treat it like it's not. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 08:40, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

Reminder about rollback[edit]

Policy.png Reminder: Rollback is to be used only against vandalism.

Please stop using it to edit war. I understand that these are cases of simple removal of information, but continually rolling back these edits and doing nothing else is going to solve jack. Serpent SKSigHalloween.png King 22:45, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

I'd like to point out that I started doing that because I have seen others, including you, doing it. Nonetheless, I will try to stop it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 22:49, 15 October 2017 (EDT)
Umm not quite. I roll back obvious abusive removal of information, which is basically the same as vandalism. There's a difference. Aside from that, the main point I am trying to get at here is that by rolling back these edits, the point is clearly not getting across. Talk page contact may be necessary, because what I personally think is going on is that wangera himself is trying to remove his real name, which is fine...as long as he were to explain what he was doing. Which may be a little difficult for him because he's Japanese. Serpent SKSigHalloween.png King 22:53, 15 October 2017 (EDT)
Just saying this quickly (although I probably don't need to, but I'd also like to see if you do in fact have an explanation for this), but your most recent rollback was used on what was not a bad faith edit. Rollback also shouldn't be used simply to bring a page back to an old revision that undo can't be used for, instead you should directly edit said old revision (and not change anything), and it will bring the page back to that revision. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 16:04, 23 November 2017 (EST)
You call that quick? Anyway, I did mean to undo, but through a slip of the thumb, I hit rollback instead. Given how ridiculous the edit was, and the fact that it was supposed to be removed anyway, I could not be bothered to fix the rollback mistake so I just left it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 17:03, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Umm, you also seemed to misuse rollback on that recent IP. Those edits clearly were not bad faith in any way, just grammer mistakes. --Penro 19:10, 16 December 2017 (EST)

You don’t know the whole story. The IP is actually a person who keeps reappearing and making all those article-bloating edits. At first they were reverted normally and the person’s talk page would get some stern warnings. However, several IPs ago, it was determined that the person is bad faith, and they keep changing their IP to continue to edit. Therefore, the edits that the IP made have been getting treated as bad faith ever since. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:15, 16 December 2017 (EST)
I saw all of those edits, and maybe, maybe two of them were bad faith. Idon't see the problem, personally. --Penro 19:17, 16 December 2017 (EST)
Again, you don’t know the full story, and it’s difficult to explain. The person makes all these edits that bloats the article and spoils the readability. They have in the past been relentless about making these bloating edits, to the point of driving both me and Serpent King beyond our patience. This same person had already been blocked 3 times before it was determined they were bad faith. Simply put, they are not allowed to edit here because they keep evading the block. The only reason the IPs aren’t getting banned permanently is because admin policy prohibits that.
If you want to know more, talk to Serpent King. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:24, 16 December 2017 (EST)

A Request For A Page[edit]

I would like to ask if you could create Marth's default down special's page so I can add the data for it and such. There isn't any information on the global counter page that is useful, and on Marth's SSB4 page there isn't any framedata. The only problem I would have when making the page is I don't have a gif like all the others (here's an example) ZombieZlayer (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2018 (EST)

Are you not able to create the page yourself? You can do so by clicking the associated red link on Marth's SSB4 moveset section, or by typing it into the search box or the box on the Main page. If you opt for either of the latter two methods, make sure you enter exactly this into the field: Marth (SSB4)/Down special/Default
I will also point out that we have another user working with one of the admins to create GIFs for the SSB4 moves. It's a long ongoing process, so right now your options are, you can go ahead and make the page now, or wait until those guys get around to making it themselves. If you wish, you can speak to them yourself - I've linked their talk pages here for your convenience. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:45, 13 January 2018 (EST)
Unfortunately I seem to not have permission to do so. I get this when I try on a red link and this when I try off of the main page. Thanks for telling me about these two, I'll contact them and see if I can get an image of Marth's counter ZombieZlayer (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2018 (EST)
Okay, I forgot about this, but new users have to be autoconfirmed before they can do certain things on the wiki. This article I just linked has more info, but basically, you need to have 10 edits and be a member of the wiki for 7 days. Be patient, for you will soon be able to do much more! Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 01:14, 14 January 2018 (EST)

Luigi (SSB) edit conflict.[edit]

So I have a couple of things to say here. Firstly, he is the lowest ranked character in the game in SSB, but not in SSBB, meaning that his lowest placement IS is SSB. Secondly what you did goes against SW:1RV. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 19:25, 20 January 2018 (EST)

I’d like to point out that by undoing my first revert you also broke 1RV. I have also sent you a message on the Discord, but I’ll paste it here: You’re probably going to call me out for double-reverting you, so let me just say this: I did another cross check on Luigi and found that what Mario was saying is actually incorrect - Brawl was the worst placement for Luigi. Furthermore, I don’t believe that calling someone’s tier placement in 64 their best or worst in the series is a fair comparison when there’s only 12 characters in the game and Melee more than doubled this roster. That’s like comparing the fuel capacity of a motorcycle to the capacity of a truck. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:29, 20 January 2018 (EST)
Ok so again, no his placement in Brawl is not lower than in SSB. Being dead last is the worst placement he has ever had in a game. Saying "his placement in Brawl is lower" is a dishonest statement. But also you appear to have been targeting the user multiple times, and in this case it is definitely unjustified. I get that in your eyes, the low character roster size of 12 reduces the significance of a bad placement in that game, and for the most part that would be true, but the sheer fact that he is rated absolutely dead last in the game should be more than enough to make it notable nonetheless, as he has never been dead last in any other smash game. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 19:34, 20 January 2018 (EST)
First off, let me point out that by accusing me of unfairly targeting another user is an assumption of bad faith, bordering on personal attacks. Putting that aside though, it may seem like I have been unfairly targeting the user but the fact of the matter is, most of his edits simply aren’t notable, or if not that, just plain wrong. However, you have convinced me at the very least that if the placement is dead last or for that matter, the tip top, then it would be worth mentioning. Therefore, I shall undo the Luigi edit but not the Kirby one. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:02, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Edit summaries[edit]

When you revert another user's edit (especially an IP's), your edit summary should include a clear explanation as to why you undid the edit/why the content doesn't belong on the page. Adding sarcastic commentary or negative complaints directed toward the editor will potentially confuse them and dissuade them from contributing to the site again.

Also, when reverting vandalism, never attempt to communicate with the vandal. This is exactly the kind of reaction that they want, and could encourage them to come back and vandalize the page once more. Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:16, 26 January 2018 (EST)

It was an assumption of good faith that I felt would have been better than simply saying "we don't want your memes here". I appreciate your concern but you're telling me stuff I already know. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 18:25, 26 January 2018 (EST)
You could also just undo the edit without saying anything if it's clearly someone trolling. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:14, 26 January 2018 (EST)
That's just it, it wasn't clear. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:29, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Responding to this[edit]

For the record, this does too. Aidan, the Rurouni 19:01, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Wow, how did I miss that? I'll revert that one too. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:02, 27 February 2018 (EST)

This edit summary[edit]

This edit summary was uncalled for and unnecessary. Do not make random, irrelevant assumptions about new users when communicating with them, and you should assume the editor didn't know about the only link once rule. The second half after the comma would have sufficed. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:26, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Rollback is for vandalism only[edit]

What happened to using rollback only for vandalism? You could just use the "Undid edit by" function, or click on a previous version of the page and click "edit this page" to restore it. Plus that way you can give a reason why you undid it in the edit summary. You have been warned about this so many times now. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:07, 6 March 2018 (EST)

I am not going to discuss this with you anymore. Using rollback on your own edits is permitted by the administration and that's that. End of story. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:10, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Where does it say in SmashWiki:Rollback that rollbacking your own edits is permitted? Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:13, 6 March 2018 (EST)
The administration has EXPRESSLY STATED that self-rollbacking is perfectly acceptable. What's written in the policy. Does. Not. Freaking. MATTER. I WILL NOT discuss this with you any further. Good day. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:19, 6 March 2018 (EST)
"What's written in the policy. Does. Not. Freaking. MATTER."
If the administration has expressly stated that self-rollbacking is perfectly acceptable, they would have added it into the policy. Also, if what's written in the policy doesn't matter, I guess that means it's okay for anyone to abuse personal attacks, vandalize, and break whatever rules they want, since those are written in the policies and they "don't matter."
I'll add that self-rollback just adds needless confusion to the page history. If a users looks back at a page history and sees the rollback, they won't be able to understand why you randomly added something in and then removed it, and could judge you poorly based on that decision. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:25, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Just give the guy a break already. I mean, c'mon, Ac2k, if the admins said he could do it, just let him do it. It's not that fucking hard. St. Reggie, the Iron Leprachaun Warrior 00:28, 6 March 2018 (EST)
The user was warned by three users, including an administrator, not to misuse rollback before. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:30, 6 March 2018 (EST)
Well this isn't misusing rollback in the admins' eyes.
And if you have a problem, don't get all over his ass about it, bother one of the admins for a change. St. Reggie, the Iron Leprachaun Warrior 00:34, 6 March 2018 (EST)

I agree that rollbacking yourself as a way to "oops mistake quick undo" is generally a bad idea, but if the edit in question looks like vandalism to other people and breaks the purpose of a reasonably important template, there's not much to complain about (unless it becomes a pattern). As with everything, it should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Trumpeteer 06:45, 6 March 2018 (EST)

Two things[edit]

Firstly, the second half of this edit summary was completely necessary unnecessary.

Secondly, I see that you moved the previous discussion to your archive. The last line of Help:Archiving talk pages says "Don't archive a talk page just to get rid of a discussion you don't like." If your archive is already over 32 KB, you should wait till later to create a second one. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:04, 6 March 2018 (EST)

Did you, by chance, mean "completely unnecessary"? Aidan, the Rurouni 18:12, 6 March 2018 (EST)
You are correct. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:15, 6 March 2018 (EST)
You also seem to use edit summaries as a means to berate people in general when they do/post something in a specific way you don't approve of. Don't do that. 15DollarsWentSouth 00:35, 8 March 2018 (EST)