Ganondorf (SSBU)/Neutral special: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 21:35, December 31, 2022

This article is about the hitbox visualization in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. For the move itself, see Warlock Punch.

Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
Grounded	Aerial

Grounded reversed	Aerial reversed

Overview[edit]

Ganondorf charges darkness into his left hand before delivering a devastating back-handed punch. This move may be appealing to use due to it being among the strongest attacks in the game, though its potential is dashed due to its considerable startup and endlag. Despite dealing heavy shield damage and Ganon being able to reverse the attack, nearby opponents who are conservative with their shield play will likely be able to punish him and follow up. This will cause him to be put in a disadvantage state, causing him to waste momentum. As a result, most players consider this attack to be his worst special move, and by extension, his worst move overall.

Hitboxes[edit]

Landing any hitbox produces a Special Zoom.

Grounded[edit]

ID	Part	Rehit rate	Damage	SD	Angle type	BK	KS	FKV	Radius	Bone	Offset			H×	SDI×	T%	Sound	Hit bits	Hit part
Normal
0	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Reversed
0	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All

Aerial[edit]

ID	Part	Rehit rate	Damage	SD	Angle type	BK	KS	FKV	Radius	Bone	Offset			H×	SDI×	T%	Sound	Hit bits	Hit part
Normal
0	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Reversed
0	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All

Differences for Kirby's Copy Ability[edit]

The hitboxes have different offsets (2.4u → 1.5u (ID 0 X offset), 0u/1u/1u → 1.1u/-0.3u/-0.4u (ID 1 X/Y/Z), 5u/0u/0u → 1u/-4u/1u (ID 2 X/Y/Z)), better matching Kirby's proportions.
- The reverse versions' ID 0 and 2 hitboxes are also assigned to the opposite bones ("shoulderl"/"arml" → "shoulderr"/"armr"), due to Kirby having stance mirroring unlike Ganondorf.

Timing[edit]

Normal[edit]

The move can be reversed on frame 11. For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 66 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.

Super armor (grounded only)	11-67
Hitbox	70-73
Interruptible	118
Animation length	130

Hitboxes
Grounded only

Reversed[edit]

For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 76 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.

Transition start	11
Turnaround	21
Super armor (grounded only)	21-74
Hitbox	80-83
Interruptible	128
Animation length	140

Hitboxes
Grounded only

Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag time	Hitbox	Vulnerable	State change	Armour	Interruptible

Parameters[edit]

Move[edit]

Momentum forward	0.8
Vertical boost in midair by stick input	0.5
Travel angle with vertical boost	45°

Special Zoom[edit]

Duration	40 frames (Ganondorf) 35 frames (Kirby)
Slowdown magnitude	2
Zoom rate	4 (Ganondorf) 3.5 (Kirby)
Time before zoom	3 frames
Background duration (non-1v1)	30 frames

Ganondorf's moveset

Neutral attack · Forward tilt · Up tilt · Down tilt · Dash attack · Forward smash · Up smash · Down smash
Neutral aerial · Forward aerial · Back aerial · Up aerial · Down aerial
Grab · Pummel · Forward throw · Back throw · Up throw · Down throw
Floor attack (front) · Floor attack (back) · Floor attack (trip) · Edge attack
Neutral special · Side special · Up special · Down special · Final Smash

@@ Line 3: / Line 3: @@
 {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:4pt;"
 |-
-!colspan=5| Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
+!colspan=2| Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
 |-
 ! Grounded || Aerial
@@ Line 9: / Line 9: @@
 | |[[File:GanondorfNSpecialGroundedSSBU.gif|300px]] || [[File:GanondorfNSpecialAerialSSBU.gif|300px]]
 |-
-! Grounded reversed || Aerial Reversed
+! Grounded reversed || Aerial reversed
 |-
 | |[[File:GanondorfNSpecialGroundedReversedSSBU.gif|300px]] || [[File:GanondorfNSpecialAerialReversedSSBU.gif|300px]]
@@ Line 18: / Line 18: @@
 ==Hitboxes==
+Landing any hitbox produces a [[Special Zoom]].
+===Grounded===
 {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Grounded|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Normal|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 42: / Line 46: @@
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 60: / Line 65: @@
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 74: / Line 80: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Aerial|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Reversed|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 95: / Line 102: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=1
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 113: / Line 121: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=2
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 129: / Line 138: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Grounded reversed|24}}
+|}
+===Aerial===
+{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Normal|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 150: / Line 164: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=1
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 168: / Line 183: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=2
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 184: / Line 200: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Aerial reversed|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Reversed|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
@@ Line 207: / Line 224: @@
 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
@@ Line 225: / Line 243: @@
 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
@@ Line 240: / Line 259: @@
 }}
 |}
+===Differences for {{SSBU|Kirby}}'s [[Copy Ability]]===
+*{{change|The hitboxes have different offsets (2.4u → 1.5u (ID 0 X offset), 0u/1u/1u → 1.1u/-0.3u/-0.4u (ID 1 X/Y/Z), 5u/0u/0u → 1u/-4u/1u (ID 2 X/Y/Z)), better matching Kirby's proportions.}}
+**{{change|The reverse versions' ID 0 and 2 hitboxes are also assigned to the opposite [[bone]]s ("shoulderl"/"arml" → "shoulderr"/"armr"), due to Kirby having [[stance mirroring]] unlike Ganondorf.}}
 ==Timing==
-===Regular===
+===Normal===
+The move can be reversed on frame 11. For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 66 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.
 {|class="wikitable"
-!Super Armor (Grounded only)
+!Super armor (grounded only)
 |11-67
 |-
@@ Line 256: / Line 281: @@
 |}
 {{FrameStripStart}}
-|'''Hitboxes'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=69}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
+!Hitboxes&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=69}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
 |-
-|'''Grounded only'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=57}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=63}}
+!Grounded only&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=57}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=63}}
 {{FrameStripEnd}}
 ===Reversed===
+For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 76 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.
 {|class="wikitable"
+!Transition start
+|11
+|-
 !Turnaround
-|11
+|21
 |-
-!Super Armor (Grounded only)
+!Super armor (grounded only)
-|21-75
+|21-74
 |-
 !Hitbox
@@ Line 279: / Line 308: @@
 |}
 {{FrameStripStart}}
-|'''Hitboxes'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|e=LagStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=69|s=LagStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
+!Hitboxes&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|e=LagStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|s=LagStateE|e=LagStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=59|s=LagStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
 |-
-|'''Grounded only'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|e=VulnerableStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|s=VulnerableStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=55}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=65}}
+!Grounded only&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|e=VulnerableStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|s=VulnerableStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=54}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=66}}
 {{FrameStripEnd}}
 {{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y|vulnerable=y|armour=y|state=y}}
+==Parameters==
+===Move===
+{|class="wikitable"
+!Momentum forward
+|0.8
+|-
+!Vertical boost in midair by stick input
+|0.5
+|-
+!Travel angle with vertical boost
+|45°
+|}
+===Special Zoom===
+{|class="wikitable"
+!Duration
+|40 frames (Ganondorf)<br>35 frames (Kirby)
+|-
+!Slowdown magnitude
+|2
+|-
+!Zoom rate
+|4 (Ganondorf)<br>3.5 (Kirby)
+|-
+!Time before zoom
+|3 frames
+|-
+!Background duration (non-1v1)
+|30 frames
+|}
 {{MvSubNavGanondorf|g=SSBU}}

Ganondorf (SSBU)/Neutral special: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 21:35, December 31, 2022

Contents

Overview[edit]

Hitboxes[edit]

Grounded[edit]

Aerial[edit]

Differences for Kirby's Copy Ability[edit]

Timing[edit]

Normal[edit]

Reversed[edit]

Parameters[edit]

Move[edit]

Special Zoom[edit]

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