Talk:Unlockable character/Archive 1

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Brawl Section[edit]

Given the info in Ness's update, the opening paragraphs of the Brawl section could probably be updated. Also, "Subspace Emissary" could be added next to everyone's name. The Inker 16:10, February 7, 2008 (EST)

I updated how to unlock Falco right after I did it. Also, I'm about 99% sure that you need more than 10 vs. matches on Snake's stage to unlock him - its more like 15 or 20, though I'm not sure. -brdy

Jigglypuff is _not_ unlocked by event match 20 or by completing classic with anybody other than Ike. Perhaps it requires a specific difficulty level?--Holizz 13:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The Toon Link information is wrong, I think. The first time I completed classic was with Samus after the SSE, and that gave me Toon Link

SSBB final characters[edit]

That information about not fighting them until after SSE might be wrong. I could have sworn I could fight Wolf during The Great Maze!

Videos for Wolf and Toon Link[edit]

Why not add their videos? Jigglypuff's in I didn't do that because I don't know how to and I'm too lazy to read the help ._. D.Sneasel (talk) 00:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Captain Falcon in SSB[edit]

I see a problem here - Captain Falcon's 64 unlocking is listed as beating 1P mode in under 18 minutes on this page, but on his SSB page, the unlocking criteria is 15 minutes. I'm not big on SSB64, so I wouldn't know which one to correct, but if someone who does could, that'd be helpful. The Dark Muse (talk) 22:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It's actually 20 min. Friedbeef1Screech 00:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Unlocking Toon Link[edit]

On the article it says: Some people have reported not being able to unlock Toon Link in any way after unlocking Luigi.

I completed The Subspace Emissary first then I did Classic Mode on easy using Snake and I unlocked Toon Link.

--Revan's Exile (talk) 21:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


What if you qualify for more than one character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

You mean, what happens if you meet the unlock criteria for multiple characters at once? Well, I'm not positive, but I believe it goes like this:
  • If you're in most modes, once the match is over, you'll fight one of the characters to unlock them. The next time you finish a match in the same mode, you'll fight the next character who is waiting. (You might do the next unlock fight right after the first, though; I have no idea.)
  • In the Subspace Emissary, you just get all the characters you unlocked once you exit the mode.
Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Stats Guy 17:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
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You are challenged by only one of the characters - I've found that it's the character who's most difficult to unlock, but that might just be coincidence. For example, in Super Smash Bros., if you complete the 1P Game in less than 20 minutes, you are challenged by Captain Falcon, whether or not you've already unlocked Jigglypuff, and I'm fairly certain that if you complete the 1P Game on Normal difficulty, with three stock and without continuing in under 20 minutes, you are challenged by Ness, whether or not you've already unlocked Captain Falcon and/or Jigglypuff. PenguinofDeath 18:02, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Requirements for unlocking Young Link[edit]

I recently borrowed Melee and i first thought of doing Classic mode with everyone, i decided to do it in order starting from Mario and ending with Link, i unlocked Young Link after completing Classic mode with the Ice Climbers so i never reached Link when Young Link was unlocked. Is the article wrong or is it a PAL difference?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk Untitled-1 copy.gif 08:02, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

This is late, but this happened to me too. I'm think you just have to beat Classic Mode with 10 different characters, but I'm not certain. Takava (talk) 22:22, 19 February 2012 (EST)

DOJO!! picture[edit]


Is this useful in any way? RoyboyX Talk 11:17, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

Didn't the DOJO!! use this to mark newcomers, not unlockables? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Frivolous 11:20, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
They put this up when Olimar was revealed to be returning. Maybe we can use this as an example of the other use for "Challenger Approaching"? RoyboyX Talk 11:31, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
Wait you mean the SSB4 site. (Which is never called "dojo" anywhere, hence the confusion.) That's new, I never saw it and can't find it. Toomai Glittershine ??? El Pollo 12:09, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
It's on the main page, under Olimar's picture. DoctorPain99 13:45, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
Okay I looked at the page source and saw the image code, which was clearly not visible on the actual page. I had to do a hard refresh before it became visible.
That's still besides my main point though, which is that the image isn't being used to denote unlockable characters (unless Olimar changes to unlockable, but that's heavily unlikely), and so doesn't really belong on this page. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Breegull 13:53, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that point; I just wanted to show you where the image was. :P Yeah, I think it's just being used to denote character reveals. DoctorPain99 14:38, 13 July 2013 (EDT)

Source for SSB3DS requirements?[edit]

How have these requirements been figured out so early?

In any case, I think they may be incomplete. Might there be other additional unlock conditions? I just unlocked R.O.B. from a VS match, and the only two characters I haven't unlocked are Ganondorf and Game and Watch. This would put my current VS match count somewhere between 70-80.

Ironically, however, Jigglypuff is the only Pokemon that I've played through Classic mode with. Haven't touched it with a Mii Fighter either. According to this list, I should not have Jigglypuff or Duck Hunt. The only things I've done with non-Jigglypuff Pokemon is that I did Field Smash with Lucario, and Figure Rush with Pikachu. (It appears that at some point I also tried Field Smash with a Mii Fighter, but I must've lost (score is just 35694).) 17:18, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

From what I know, these are just based on what the streamers did to get the characters, but we don't know if these are the exact methods for sure. Tepig (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
I think you unlock Duck Hunt by clearing classic 8 times, all streams I watched unlock Duck Hunt after classic with 8 characters and the Gema one says clear classic with 8 characters after he unlocked Duck Hunt. Rosapuff (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
Use Mii Fighter to unlock Duck Hunt Dog in classic mode
  Use Duck Hunt Dog to unlock Mr.Game&Watch in classic mode —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigmatrick (talkcontribs) 8:36, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
Source? We need to see a valid source, preferably a video, in order to add it to the article. Rtzxy SmashSig.jpeg Smashing! 20:40, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
If you watched Abdullahsmash026's classic series, he unlock Duck Hunt at part 7, which happens after the events of part 8, so he unlocked Duck Hunt after his 8th classic, same thing with the Gema's live stream slightly before the game came out in Japan, and according to another video,(I forgot which) Bowser Jr. was unlocked with Bowser at intensity of 6.0. Rosapuff (talk) 14:32, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

This seems to be what their unlockable status is... Michaelmarill (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

A lot of those are incorrect, as day one streamers used different methods to unlock them; for example, Classic was cleared with Marth on one, but Lucina was not encountered. --Skittles (talk)
I'm playing the game, and I can ensure you that I unlocked some characters in this way:
  • Dr. Mario clearing Classic with Mario
  • Ganondorf clearing Classic with Link
  • Lucina clearing Classic with Marth
  • Ness clearing Classic after Falco was unlocked
  • Dark Pit clearing Classic after both Falco and Ness were unlocked

Phantom Dusclops'92 (talk) 17:49, 1 October 2014 (EDT)

Update: Jigglypuff is unlocked after beating Classic ten times and Mr. Game & Watch after 5 rounds of Smash Run.

Theory for Ness: With an entirely fresh game, I played classic as Luigi on level 6, with one continue, and the boss being Master Hand & Crazy Hand. I unlocked Ness after doing so. I suspect the key element may have been beating Master Hand/ Crazy Hand. Also possible, but unlikely, was the fact that I defeated Master Hand first. --Lewisgoose 11:50, 03 October 2014 (EST)
I do not have video, but I partially corroborate the above claim; I unlocked Falco after completing Classic Mode against Master Hand, and I unlocked Ness after beating Master Core, though the former came about on a lower difficulty. Dark Pit came after the third try, even though I accidentally selected to go up against Master Hand.
--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 12:59, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
Well I unlocked Falco after one Classic and then Ness after one Smash Run, so something might not be right with either of those. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Wacko 14:26, 3 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, these are still a work in progress. For example, most people continue to assume that Mario is how you get Dr. Mario, but I had unlocked a different character with Mario, then got Dr. Mario with Game&Watch.Jarie Suicune (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2014 (EDT)
I played 100-Man Smash with the intention of unlocking Wario. To my surprise, I got Lucina instead. (The second time around, I did get Wario as intended.) PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:23, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
Did you already battle and fail on Lucina though? That's kinda the prime question here. Also, who did you do the mode with? Laikue (talk|contribs) 18:04, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
I played using Little Mac. No, that was the first time I encountered Lucina. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
Maybe your intended first battle with Lucina was also pre-empted by someone else; it seems that characters with higher vs-mode requirements butt in if there's a tie (hence all the initial Falco/Ness confusion). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Metroid 22:27, 9 October 2014 (EDT)


Falco is actually unlocked by 10 matches. I've just unlocked him after 10 battles and I don't have Ness yet.

--Superfiremario (talk) 19:34, 3 October 2014 (EDT)

Wait, sorry. I got him by clearing classic mode. I just had to beat Lucina first.

--Superfiremario (talk) 09:34, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

SSB3DS Challenger Approaching[edit]

My friend, who got the game yesterday, is trying to get a good picture of Jigglypuff challenging the player for me. Unfortunately this will be a picture taken with his phone of his 3DS (which usually has okay quality, but could still be better). So if anyone has a better source, go ahead and add it- but I'll be uploading that one shortly. Hopefully. ...a new NuttaNutta's Mallo sig.pngis approaching... 13:54, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Getting in-battle snapshots is easy, just pause and save, then get the photo off your SD card (viewable in 3DS Camera as well) If you want non-battle screenshots, just wait until the 10th, when the New 3DS comes out, with which you can upload to the Miiverse game scenes like in other games.Jarie Suicune (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

3DS Challenger Approaching screens (IN ENGLISH!)[edit]

I found the official English-language "Challenger Approaching" screens, and the "unlock" screens:





Dark Pit:

Dr. Mario:



Mr. Game & Watch:

Bowser Jr.:

Duck Hunt:


Source: (by SunnyCappy) I used the "prt sc" feature and cropped them in Paint.

(Aviacsa18 (talk) 18:06, 9 October 2014 (EDT))

Uh, thanks you for these images, but can you please upload them to the wiki? Rtzxy SmashSig.jpeg Smashing! 18:08, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
Done! (Aviacsa18 (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2014 (EDT)) all uploaded here.
…not to be rude or anything, but you uploaded the images to the wrong wiki. Smashpedia is a different site from us, so the images are going to have to be uploaded again to this wiki. But thanks for the images, anyways. Rtzxy SmashSig.jpeg Smashing! 21:28, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

WIll more characters be unlocked from the start in WiiU version[edit]

From what I understand, more characters will be unlocked from the start in the WiiU version. Is that correct? Do we know which characters will be starters in the WiiU version yet? Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 11:09, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

The starters are all seen in the direct. PikaSamus (talk) PikaSamus 11:11, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

SSBWiiU Challenger Approaching[edit]

Well, now that we know that Jigglypuff is a starter in the Wii U version, we need another unlockable character to use for this version. We already have both Falco and Lucina from the Direct that we could use, but I think this needs more community input before we can proceed. SmashBrosFan (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

I can't believe they made her a starter ._. It was so easy having someone who's unlockable in every game... I'd say just use one of the ones we have now, then replace it later ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 12:44, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

Take its place where? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Orchestral 12:47, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

Here. SmashBrosFan (talk) 13:39, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
You mean the four images on the side? If so, I don't see the point in changing it unless we go with them each being a different character, because no matter what we do there's no character that we can use for all five such images. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Multifaceted 13:41, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
have i mentioned that i really hate that they made her a starter. I suggest putting Captain Falcon/Ness for SSB64, Mewtwo for Melee, Ganondorf for Brawl, and Falco for SSB4. I dunno why, but I think it works. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:42, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
Woops. I think I meant "what character would we use for the Challenger Approaching screen in the Wii U version?" SmashBrosFan (talk) 13:45, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
That's the thing: we either have to replace them all, or keep it as is, for consistency reasons. I wouldn't mind just having four images, the last one for both 3DS & Wii U versions (I know Jigglypuff is a starter in the Wii U version, but the Challenger Approching screen is the same for both versions, so a note telling that It's the same for both versions and that Jigglypuff is unlockable in only one version). Rtzxy Reflect.jpg Reflect!!! 13:49, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
Uh... no, they aren't the same. Straight from Nintendo at 50 seconds into the video. [1] SmashBrosFan (talk) 17:30, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

He's right, they are WAY different. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 17:32, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

Well, looks like I was wrong. Now what? Rtzxy Reflect.jpg Reflect!!! 17:33, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
What if we do it, like, the first Newcomer Unlockable from each game? (i.e. Jigglypuff, Dr.Mario, Lucario, Dark Pit, and Lucina, respectively) That'd still keep at least some kind of pattern. Or we could use Falco, with C. Falcon for 64, some kind of bird pattern. But I'm leaning towards the first one. Laikue (talk|contribs) 17:37, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

We can just use Jigglypuff for SSB64 through SSB3DS and somebody else for SSBU. There's no single character that's unlockable in all of them anymore and any other pattern won't be particularly intuitive. Miles (talk) 17:38, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

I agree with Miles. Do something like that and be done with it. Rtzxy Reflect.jpg Reflect!!! 17:40, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
How about we use something like Jigglypuff for Smash 64, Mr. Game & Watch for Melee, R.O.B. for Brawl, Bowser Jr. for Smash 3DS & Duck Hunt Dog for Smash Wii U? They are all characters first introduced in each of those games and they were also unlockable in those. I realize that there are other characters that could be used too. These are just ideas. By the way, the trivia section states that Captain Falcon, Marth, Lucario, Luigi, Sonic, Ness, Wario, Toon Link & Jigglypuff are the only ones to be both starters & unlockables in separate iterations. Shouldn't Bowser Jr. & Ganondorf be added to that? Master Zach (talk) 14:10, 2 November 2014 (EST)

Who keeps signing with you or Nutta signature. I know that's off topic but it's a bit too frequent and I'm finding it annoying. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 15:03, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Aren't you paying attention? You are! (or nutta) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:05, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Also I agree with Master Zach's idea. And yes Ganondorf and Bowser Jr. Should be added to that list. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Game & Watch Wii U[edit]

I've beaten it with six characters and all I got was punishment for not coming to bed on time (-.-). What version do you play, Toomai? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:16, 24 November 2014 (EST)

There's no way that unlock criteria is a regional difference, so let's start asking about what could be different. Did you use a continue with any of those characters? Toomai Glittershine ??? The Sharp 15:19, 24 November 2014 (EST)
Yes, with Bowser Jr. That could be it, I guess. I'll check. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:20, 24 November 2014 (EST)
Beat it with both Captain Falcon and Bowser Jr. with no continues, as well as Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Rosalina & Luma, and Dr. Mario. So... I don't know. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:27, 24 November 2014 (EST)
I've now beat it with Captain Falcon, Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Rosalina & Luma, Dr. Mario, ROB, and Olimar, no continues, and unlocked him. BUT, by doing so, it gave me a challenge box for beating it with 5 characters on intensity 2.0 or higher. Above intensity 2.0 I have beaten Captain Falcon, Bowser Jr., ROB, Olimar, and Toon Link. I bet that, besides whatever I got from the challenge box, that's also Mr. Game & Watch's unlock criteria. Could someone who doesn't have him test this? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 17:56, 24 November 2014 (EST)
That makes sense to me. The easiest way to test it (for someone who can) would probably be this: Beat Classic on 2.0 with 4 characters, then less than 2.0 with one, and then on 2.0 with the same fifth one. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Multifaceted 18:13, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Stubbornly incomplete data[edit]

How is it that every time I've updated info about unlocking Doctor Mario via Classic is NOT just using Mario it gets erased? Is this community really that unable to believe that there is more than just the assumed method? I did unlock Dr. Mario with Game & Watch in Classic mode, and yet it gets removed. What's up with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarie Suicune (talkcontribs) 12:07, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Because I tested it myself, check the history of the page and look for my edit. What happened is you unlocked another character of a higher priority than Dr. Mario (i.e. Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr., Jigglypuff, R.O.B., Ganondorf or Mr. Game & Watch) when you met the unlock condition for Dr. Mario, thusly when you played classic with G&W you unlocked him. And unless you can give me video proof that you have not done Classic with Mario, nor done 60 matches I cannot add back your edits, I can't take your word for it without facts, sorry. Laikue (talk | contribs) 13:06, 2 December 2014 (EST)
Interesting. Here's how I did it: I used every character in reverse order, then any character I unlocked got used (out of order, obviously). So, Mario was the very last to do Classic Mode. I also had done a total of zero VS matches (no one to do them with), though had already done all the other modes, doing Classic before All-Star after the rest. I unlocked Dr. Mario with G&W. It may be that some/all have a third unlock option, but no one has tried testing for them. I don't know why. I just know how I did it, and that I was quite shocked to get him from G&W as I'd assumed that it would have been via Mario as well. You're welcome to try a test of what I actually did, since that may be the thing. (forgot to sign before, sorry) Jarie Suicune (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Slight consistency on the examples[edit]

I'd like to propose something that will make for slight consistency on the example "challenger approaching" screens that appear in that section. Since there isn't any one character who's unlockable in every game, I vote that we do something that's semi-consistent with different characters for each game. The only thing I could come up with though, is newcomers from each game. So say, Jiggly for Smash 64, Game & Watch for Melee, ROB for Brawl, Bowser Jr. for the 3DS version, and Duck Hunt for the Wii U version. I also went with non-clone, but clones are for some reason more recognizable for Melee and the 3DS version, so we might want to go with Falco and Lucina. Idk though. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:10, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

Brawl Alternate Unlocking Method?[edit]

So I was reading TVTropes today when I noticed a peculiar example claiming that in Brawl, if you fought a character that you haven't unlocked yet in an online match, that character is instantly unlocked after the match. I never knew this was possible, and when I checked this page, there was no info about it I could find. Can anyone verify if this unlock method is true or not? I'm kinda having my doubts about this method being legitimate, and it's pretty much untestable since they shut down Nintendo WFC. --Vinc (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

I'm going to doubt that, using Smash 4 as evidence: I played against Serpent King with Duck Hunt (among other characters), and no such thing happened to him; I also used a handful of DLC characters against him with no errors. I know you said Brawl, but the thing about unlockable content (in any game) is that the content is there in the data, be it digitally or on the disc, and it's just hidden from the player in terms of accessibility. Aidan, the Springing Rurouni 10:44, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
I recall watching someone play against a Lucario when they didn't have it unlocked, and they did not get Lucario afterward, so I am going to say no. Then again, this was a friend match, and the method in question seems to be referring to anonymous matches, so.... - EndGenuity (talk) 11:30, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

Nothing actually confirmed for SSBU?[edit]

From what I can remember, Sakurai never explicitly stated that the starting roster will consist of the Original 12. He teased that it could be the case that you'd only start with the original 8 characters. I don't think this wiki should take it as a fact that the original 12 are our starter characters and everyone else is unlockable. --Darthrai (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Agreed, since at a bare minimum Sakurai's phrasing could be interpreted as the original 8 being the starters or the original 12. That enough is room for ambiguity. Miles (talk) 21:24, 14 June 2018 (EDT)
Or even emphasis on the word could. Absolutely nothing is confirmed at this point, and Sakurai teases his fans a lot. I think we should wait until official confirmation or release to state which characters are starters/unlockables (as an aside, if most of the roster is unlockable as this wiki believed then we're very likely to get an overhauled unlock system). --Darthrai (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Trivia section[edit]

There should be something in the Trivia section that reads "Super Smash Bros. 64 is the only Smash Bros game that does not involve unlocking characters through vs matches."

JigglypuffLover17 (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

We can't actually add that yet, because we do not currently know how characters are unlocked in Ultimate. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 00:23, 23 June 2018 (EDT)
So? There's most likely going to be vs match methods for the characters once the game releases, so the trivia should be added. 01:21, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

Grammar errors in page[edit]

There are some grammar errors in the article, mainly the Trivia Section. I can’t fix any grammar errors because I don’t have access. Can anyone do a favor and fix the grammar errors? I will be pleased if you do.

RosalinaRosin (talk) 8:24, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Can you please specify where the errors are? I just went over the trivia section and couldn't find anything wrong with it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 10:18, 26 June 2018 (EDT)