Talk:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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Character infobox cleanup[edit]

Exactly how does the infoboxes need a cleanup? It's just showcasing every fighter in the game with no typos or anything actually needing a cleanup. Supa Toad 64 Image for my signiture icon. 00:57, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

The cleanup is likely referring to the section itself, rather than the template; that said, even I'm not sure why it's there. Aidan, the Rurouni 00:59, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Pokemon Trainer counted twice?[edit]

I noticed that it was listed that there are "65 veterans (67 with PKMN Trainer), 11 newcomers in base, and 6 DLC". Yet, when you look at the image of the roster, there are only 63 spots when taking out the DLC characters and Random space. The total number given after (74/76 in base and 80/82 with DLC) is correct, however if it's 65/67 veterans with 11 newcomers, it would be 76/78 total in base and 72/74 with DLC. This is all, of course, counting the 3 Miis as separate. I think someone changed the number based on the table which says there are 65 veterans, which would be counting the PKMN Trainer as 3 and not 1. I figured I'd bring it up in here because I didn't want to risk getting in trouble for changing something without bringing it up first. Silva (talk) 10:07, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

I see you are right about this mistake, so I'm changing it right now. For future references don't be afraid to edit something you know is a mistake, we are all in this together to make this wiki a reliable plase for smash information. After all why would anyone get in trouble for fixing incorrect information? Supa Toad 64 Image for my signiture icon. 04:18, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
Um, aren't Lucina and Dark Pit counted towards that 65 total, though? I think the problem is that you're both looking at it through the fighter numbers in Ultimate rather than counting how many veterans there actually are, since neither has there own number but instead share one with their base fighters but with an epsilon. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 04:38, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
No, see this is all based on math I did using the image of the roster we have on the page. There are 5 rows of 13 and 9 in the bottom row that aren't DLC or the Random space. With that, we get (13*5)+9, which adds up to the 74 non-DLC character slots. Simply taking out the 11 newcomers brings the number down to 63. Wasn't using fighter numbers, so there's really no issue in that. Silva (talk) 06:28, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
Ah, shoot! I was using Bayonetta's number (63) as the starting point for counting the total number of veterans, then added Lucina and Dark Pit, but I must have counted the Pokémon Trainer as a single fighter when I was doing so, so that probably made me think it was 67 when I separated their Pokémon. I wrote my discussion piece at, like, 1 AM, so that's probably why I screwed up. I am so sorry for all this. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 19:49, July 29, 2019 (EDT)

Switch is not a handheld[edit]

Nintendo has stated multiple times that, first and foremost, the Switch is a home console (even if they haven't, there are certain games that don't run under handheld mode or aren't very compatible with it, making it pretty obvious that the Switch had a console idea in mind). While the upcoming Switch Lite is a handheld, the Switch Lite is similar to the 2DS: it isn't the main console of the generation, but a reworked version of it, and we generally only focus on the main handheld. The trivia talking about the Switch as a handheld, therefore, is invalid. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 21:23, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

To be fair, the Switch is more designed as a hybrid of a handheld and home console and so that is why the trivia point was originally there by the anonymous user. Ultimate is also compatible in handheld mode so in a way Ultimate is also a portable Smash game, so it was more of a good-faith misunderstanding.
That said, the Switch's primary focus is to be a home console, not a handheld, and the handheld mode is more of an extra feature so you're right the trivia point is not needed. Supα Toαd 64, The Best Image for my signiture icon. 20:34, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

I feel the switch can be used for either, and that its primary focus is both. Either way, it doesn't matter. Coolben (talk) 15:50, October 25, 2019 (EDT)Coolben

SSBU Character Table-Newcomer Character Count[edit]

I'm sorry, but I really don't like how the (>17) looks when counting off the newcomers, knowing what we know in regards to the DLC being released for Ultimate. I really feel like it should state there are 16 newcomers, as of September 27, 2019, as that's all we know in terms of who is new to the game. 15DollarsWentSouth 20:02, September 27, 2019 (EDT)


Should we type about the DLC or wait until they are done? Lucina-is-better-than-marth (talk) 08:18, November 6, 2019 (EST)

Does anybody ever count Pokemon Trainer and the 3 Pokemon separately?[edit]

I’m asking this because another IP is adding this info in repeatedly. 13:49, January 2, 2020 (EST)

Either PT is counted as 1 fighter (Ash/Leaf themselves), or 3 sepearate fighters (the 3 individual Pokémon). It makes no sense to split them into 4 seperate fighters considering you don't even play as the trainer themselves. I don't know why the IP keeps adding that in. SupαToαd64 Image for my signiture icon. 07:47, January 3, 2020 (EST)

I think that it is three fighters Lucina-is-better-than-marth (talk) 05:25, January 6, 2020 (EST)

That trainer isn’t Ash 64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 22:30, April 18, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah OK, but this isn't exactly how talk pages are used. Image for my signiture icon. OmegαToαd64, the Best Kαrter 22:41, April 18, 2020 (EDT)

Female Byleth/original Terry Splash Art[edit]

Should Female Byleth's splash taglines be included on this page, as well as Byleth (SSBU)? There are two different taglines for them. Because Terry's first splash screen with the blue background was replaced with the new one with the red background when his full trailer released. 17:23, January 16, 2020 (EST)

Flying Man[edit]

Flying man is considered a "stage boss", along with dark emperor, metal face, and yellow devil. I'm not sure this is accurate - Flying Man has very different properties from the other three in this section. Most notably, he does not attack until a player touches him, and then joins that player's team. The other three stage bosses attack as soon as they spawn, and only sometimes join teams until they've taken enough damage (think yellow devil's explosion). Additionally, flying man is killed when he is launched into a blast zone, and furthermore takes increasing knockback with damage, just like a fighter. The other bosses, on the other hand, do not suffer knockback and die once they've taken enough damage. All that being said, I think that flying man should not share a category with the stage bosses, and perhaps be considered as a stage hazard (and leave the SSBU front page). Note that this would not be the only case of a stage hazard "taking a side". For example, you can attack a cart on one of the Mario Kart stages to launch it at opponents, and I believe that a car launched by a fighter cannot hit that fighter's teammates. Mogo (talk) 12:30, February 1, 2020 (EST)

I'm pretty sure some rando added this and nobody's bothered to remove it until now. Can't find who though, because every old version of the page with this table has it as it appears now, rather than how it appeared then (bug? fix pls) - Mega Mario Man (talk) 04:10, February 2, 2020 (EST)
This is all true. I have no idea who added it in originally and why or even how they thought he's a boss.
In response to Mega Mario Man the boss table is a seperate template just lile the character so I'll have to go to the boss table template to find out who added it. Flying Man is not a boss in any way. SupαToαd64 Image for my signiture icon. 04:20, February 2, 2020 (EST)
That was me. The thing is Flying Man shares many characteristics of the other stage bosses. Helps you out when you attack him? Just like Ridley in SSB4. Doesn't initially attack you? The Dark Emperor doesn't even actually attack from my knowledge, he just debuffs. Lack of attacks and can respawn? Both characteristics of the Yellow Devil. 05:03, February 2, 2020 (EST)

Fighter formatting on the page[edit]

Shouldn't we list the fighters in order they first appeared rather than series, just like in the game? It kinda annoys me looking at them listed by series

Well, that's how it is on the pages of the other Smash Bros. games, so it's ordered like that for consistency. I highly suggest reading these user pages here and here for a better understanding. JacketTerraSig1.pngSuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle TribeJacketTerraSig2.png 15:25, October 6, 2020 (EDT)

No Shadows underneath Pyra / Mythra[edit]

Just realized Pyra & Mythra are the only characters in the table who do not have a shadow underneath them. Does a version with shadows even exist? 06:13, March 6, 2021 (EST)

Do all of Villager/Inkling's 8 alts count as alternate characters?[edit]

The article mentions the Villager/Inkling's alts of customization amongst the "alternate costume characters" in the Characters section. Is it saying that all 8 of the customization alts are alternate costume characters, or is it just the main male and female alts that are alternate costume characters?