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Marth (SSBB)/Down aerial

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Overview

Marth does a forward to backward downward sword slash. When tipped, it is a meteor smash with high base knockback. However, the sweetspot is significantly smaller than the sweetspot in Melee. The end of the swing is slightly easier to tip with, so a RAR may help sweetspot it. With very low start-up of 6 frames, it is the second fastest meteor smash in the game (both Falco's and Fox's down aerials have a 5 frame startup). It is a risky and highly situational edgeguarding move, however, as it has very high ending and landing lag and the sweetspot cannot be consistently landed, especially on more competent players. Potential setups exist, but most are highly unreliable, like stringing a forward aerial into his down aerial meteor smash on Snake. True set ups are rare, however, on Wolf, King Dedede, and Snake, two forward throws (or in Dedede's case, 3) can be chained together into a down aerial, if spaced correctly. Those set ups can lead to potential 0-deaths unless the opponent successfully Smash DI's to get sent onstage. Other set ups are landing the sweetspot out of a grab release, is notable for being more reliable and feasible in competitive play. However this setup only works on a few characters - working on Meta Knight, Lucas, Squirtle, Wario, a solo Ice Climbers and Ness only. In Squirtle's case, Marth can grab release chain grab across the stage and the platform in Smashville cannot save him from this because of Squirtle's short grab release animation. Furthermore, other than Squirtle, the setup is only fatal if Marth grabs those characters at a very specific distance from the ledge. The most reliable setup is a footstool jump and a down aerial; however, this must be done as soon as Marth jumps. Another good, arguably less situational use of down aerials for hitting opponents trying to juggle him when Marth is above them. It hits lower than his forward aerial but it's still not the most reliable down aerial to intercept juggle attempts with because it has low hitbox duration and while its range below is decent, many up aerials still outrange his down aerial vertically.

Hitboxes

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset SDIx FFx T% Clang Rebound Type Effect G A Sound Direct
0 0 12% 0 AngleIcon361.png 30 70 0 4.32 61 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0x 0.7x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Slash SpecialsDirect.png
1 0 12% 0 AngleIcon80.png 40 70 0 4.32 65 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0x 0.7x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Slash SpecialsDirect.png
2 0 14% 0 AngleIcon280.png 40 80 0 4.32 65 0.0 0.0 5.0 1.0x 1.25x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn SpecialsDirect.png
3 0 14% 0 AngleIcon270.png 40 80 0 6.0 0 0.0 -3.4 2.0 1.0x 1.0x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png TypeIcon(Sword).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn SpecialsDirect.png

Timing

Attack

Initial autocancel 1-5
Hitboxes 0, 1, 2 6-9
Hitbox 3 7
Ending autocancel 48-
Interruptible 60
Animation length 64
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Landing lag

Animation length 32
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Footstool spike

Marth edgeguarding using a forward aerial to the footstool spike, then a stage spike to punish the opponent's meteor cancel. To perform it, Marth must short hop a footstool jump and immediately perform a down aerial while facing the same direction as his opponent. This will allow the tip of his sword to hit and meteor smash the opponent.

Marth's footstool spike (using a footstool to setup the move) is also a method of sweetspotting the attack, though this is unreliable, because of the difficult read needed to land the footstool.

Some characters are difficult or impossible to vertical space, as their falling speeds are too great. It is impossible to vertical space on Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Captain Falcon, Ike, Marth, Ivysaur, Ganondorf, Pikachu, Peach, Zelda, Sheik, Sonic, and Wario. However, it still works by footstool jump 2 times or more for a tipped down aerial to hit. It works best on small, light characters, such as Kirby, Meta Knight, and Jigglypuff, but even Bowser can be vertical spaced with little difficulty.

After testing, it has been confirmed that the combo can be used on certain characters, such as Link or Toon Link during their up special move.

Toon Link is able to meteor smash with this technique, although his does not blend fluently like Marth's. It is about stunning the opponent to set up for the spike frames at the beginning of Toon Link's down aerial.

Meta Knight is also able to perform a footstool jump to down aerial combo, but instead of spiking, the opponent is semi-spiked away. This can be used to gimp and stage spike, but a down aerial on its own is usually preferred.

Vertical spacing tutorial video


This move in SSBM This move in SSBB This move in SSB4 This move in SSBU Marth's moveset
Neutral attack (1 · 2) · Forward tilt · Up tilt · Down tilt · Dash attack · Forward smash · Up smash · Down smash
Neutral aerial · Forward aerial · Back aerial · Up aerial · Down aerial
Grab · Pummel · Forward throw · Back throw · Up throw · Down throw
Floor attack (front) · Floor attack (back) · Floor attack (trip) · Edge attack (fast) · Edge attack (slow)
Neutral special · Side special · Up special · Down special · Final Smash