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Marth (SSBM)/Down aerial

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Overview

The hitbox of Marth's dair.

Marth's down air is considered to be the second best spike in the game behind Falco's. Feared for its deadly and consistent ability to take stocks, the move is a staple move in Marth's metagame and is the go-to finisher for many of Marth's aerial combos. The simplest and most well known of setup is the Ken Combo. A forward aerial knocks the opponent upwards, leading into a jump, and then a spike with this move.

Despite having many setups, the move is still just as deadly on its own. Its wide range and disjoint allows it to cover most low recovery options; with good timing many Marths can use a ledge hop down air to catch opponents recklessly jumping or recovering back to the stage for a rather efficient KO. The move also has many uses that don't involve edgeguarding. The move is very fast and with its reach can be used to setup combos or tech chase in a similar manner to Falco's down aerial or Captain Falcon's down aerial. The move can even be used to out of shield to punish cross-ups to great effect.

The move is not without its drawbacks, however. While Marth's dair is nearly as fast and powerful as Falco's and has much more reach, its duration isn't nearly as long and has a large sourspot. This means there aren't nearly as many situations where it can be landed on its own without proper timing. In addition, the move has much more endlag, making it much more punishable on whiff. The move was also nerfed in the PAL version of Melee where it is a meteor smash instead of a true spike. This means because of its rather low hitlag compared to other meteor smashes, it is relatively easy to meteor cancel on reaction. However, as a trade off, the more vertical angle in PAL allows the move to combo and setup better on stage. Regardless of its drawbacks though, the move plays arguably the most important role in Marth's game as his go-to offstage finisher and edgeguarding move and is very much needed in matchups where stocks must be taken as efficiently as possible, especially in his matchups against the space animals.

Hitboxes

NTSC

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
1 0 10% 0 AngleIcon80.png 40 70 0 3.5154 76 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
2 0 9% 0 AngleIcon361.png 30 70 0 3.5154 71 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
3 0 9% 0 AngleIcon361.png 30 70 0 3.5154 25 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
0 0 13% 0 AngleIcon290spk.png 40 70 0 3.5154 76 3.5154 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn

PAL

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
1 0 10% 0 AngleIcon80.png 40 70 0 3.5154 76 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
2 0 9% 0 AngleIcon361.png 30 70 0 3.5154 71 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
3 0 9% 0 AngleIcon361.png 30 70 0 3.5154 25 0.0 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Slash
0 0 13% 0 AngleIcon270.png 40 70 0 3.5154 76 3.5154 0.0 0.0 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn

Summary:

  • Nerf The tip's angle has been altered (290° → 270°), now making it a meteor smash, not a spike. This significantly hinders its edgeguarding potential as it can now be meteor cancelled.
    • Buff However, its new angle also improves its combo potential against grounded opponents.

Timing

Attack

Initial autocancel 1-5
Hitboxes 6-9
Ending autocancel 48-
Animation length 59
Interruptible 80
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Landing lag

Animation length 32
L-cancelled animation length 16
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L-cancelled  FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png FrameIcon(Blank).png
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
FrameIcon(Lag).png
Lag time
FrameIcon(Hitbox).png
Hitbox
FrameIcon(Autocancel).png
Autocancel

Similar moves


This move in SSBM This move in SSBB This move in SSB4 This move in SSBU Marth's moveset
Neutral attack (1 · 2) · Forward tilt · Up tilt · Down tilt · Dash attack · Forward smash · Up smash · Down smash
Neutral aerial · Forward aerial · Back aerial · Up aerial · Down aerial
Grab · Pummel · Forward throw · Back throw · Up throw · Down throw
Floor attack (front) · Floor attack (back) · Edge attack (fast) · Edge attack (slow)
Neutral special · Side special · Up special · Down special