Forum:Adding an "Inspiration" column to Spirit Battle tables

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Forums: Index Proposals Adding an "Inspiration" column to Spirit Battle tables
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Apologies if this is out-of-line. This came up in a proposal for something entirely different, and while I was a little hesitant, I figured it would probably be better as its own proposal rather than as a hidden discussion on an only-tangentially-related proposal page.

This topic came about because the only non-duplicate information on the "In Spirit battles" section of a fighter page (which the consensus seems to be isn't pulling its weight) is the part saying which characters they represent. That made me think that we could include something similar to that on the proper Spirit articles - except we didn't need to stop at merely who the fighters represent. Here's an example:

Spirit Battle parameters Inspiration
No. Image Name Enemy Fighter(s) Type Power Stage Rules Conditions Music
Blooper spirit.png
Blooper •Tiny Inkling InklingHeadCyanSSBU.png (×3)
2,600 Delfino Plaza (Battlefield form) •Hazard: Low Gravity •Timed battle
•Gravity is reduced
•The enemy tends to avoid conflict
Underwater Theme - Super Mario Bros •The Inklings will repeatedly use Super Jump, which mimics the sawtooth movement pattern of Bloopers.
Eevee Yoshi (×3) (YoshiHeadBlueSSBU.pngYoshiHeadYellowSSBU.pngYoshiHeadRedSSBU.png)
1,400 Yoshi's Island N/A •Only certain Pokémon will emerge from Poké Balls (Eevee)
•Reinforcements will appear during the battle
Main Theme - Pokémon Red & Pokémon Blue (Melee) •The three colors of Yoshi represent Eevee's original three evolutions: Vaporeon, Jolteon, and Flareon, respectively.
Eggman Spirit.png
Dr. Eggman Roy BowserJrHeadRoySSBU.png
•Metal Sonic SonicHeadGreenSSBU.png
13,200 Green Hill Zone •Bob-omb Festival
•Item: Shooting Types
•Bob-ombs will rain from the sky after a little while
•The enemy's shooting items have increased power
•Items will be pulled toward the enemy
Green Hill Zone •Eggman typically fights inside his Eggmobile, a round vehicle which somewhat resembles the Koopa Clown Car.
•One of Eggman's most prominent creations, Metal Sonic, is here represented by a literal metal Sonic.

These sections could also let us provide more general notes on individual Spirit battles - which could be useful, as sometimes not all of the rules and conditions are listed on the ingame spirit battle screen. Ahemtoday (talk) 17:22, July 31, 2019 (EDT)

Oppose this is a wiki oriented around Smash; things like that belong in the trivia section. Also, SmashWiki is not a strategy guide. CookiesCnC Signature.pngCreme 17:45, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Support Wouldn't the inspiration column pretty much work like the trivia selection though? It's pretty much just a renamed version of it. Maybe it should be called Trivia instead of Inspiration though. An Adventurer draws near! (talk) 09:51, September 25, 2019 (EDT)
Partial oppose I oppose everything except the example with Yoshi's colors in the Eevee battle; we already have stuff like that for minion fighters, but not for the main fighters (e.g. Hero's Comrades spirit battle, where we have, for example, that Robin represents Veronica, but since Ike is the main fighter, we don't have that he represents Hendrik). Also, this would only be needed for spirits that don't have the name of the character they represent in it or for Spirits with only 1 enemy fighter. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 15:33, September 14, 2019 (EDT)
Well, the thing about that is - it seems like the consensus is that those sections on the fighter pages should be removed. So the only information there that can't be found anywhere else is what the minions represent. I figured, while we were moving the section, we may as well increase the scope and talk about the inspiration behind it - so the section wouldn't necessarily need to talk just about who the puppet fighters are supposed to be, it could also talk about what the rules and conditions are meant to represent. Ahemtoday (talk) 11:06, September 18, 2019 (EDT)
To be honest, I fully support this—if not on the fighter pages, then on the "List of spirits" pages. We're a wiki, and it's kind of our job to explain the details and references in Smash, isn't it? The Spirit sections feel very barren right now with it all just being raw statistics, and I'd like to see more full-fledged explanations since it'd be useful info. (For instance, the Dark Matter spirit battle is a direct recreation of Kirby's Dream Land 2's final boss, which is an important detail that's glossed over in our current format.) This isn't pedantic trivia or a strategy guide; it's useful information to understanding what's going on in each battle. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 22:34, September 18, 2019 (EDT)
I fully support as well. We're a wiki, and you really can't find Spirit Battle origins anywhere on the internet where's it's accurate, and it's been almost a year since Ultimate came out. We'll need a lot of knowledge on these games but I think we can manage it. It'll be real slow getting all of them though. SandwitchZebra (talk) 21:25, November 1, 2019 (EDT)

I support this too[edit]

Maybe SuperSmashTurtles could help out. 23:14, September 18, 2019 (EDT)

Hell Yeah![edit]

full support! MarthHeadTomatoSauceSSBM.png Thomasgamer4000 still has no DLC 12:26, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

I support the addition of source inspiration to spirit battles. God/Sakurai knows I didn't understand half of them. Mega Mario Man (talk) 20:12, October 18, 2019 (EDT)

I'll be starting on this soon, but for now I created a Sandbox entry to demonstrate what it would look like. Any comments on this before I properly implement it? ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 21:09, November 8, 2019 (EST)