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I would like for you to resolve SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/PenguinofDeath (once it gets to be around that time) because I cba to deal with any accusations of bias etc. Shadowcrest 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Bump. (Alternately, you can just drop me an email/tell me on IRC and I can resolve for you, if wikia is down or something.) Shadowcrest 21:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I need to talk to you[edit]

If you could be on irc sometime today, it would be much appreciated. I'm almost always around, so it doesn't matter when. Thanks, PenguinofDeath 13:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I still need to talk to you. It's not exactly urgent, but it is important. PenguinofDeath 17:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
It's that time again. Could you get on IRC one night this week? Preferably before 1am UTC, and not tomorrow or saturday cos I'm not going to be around then. PenguinofDeath 19:45, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


how do you link to SmashWiki pages from non smash wiki, wikis? Oni Dark Link 17:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Just do the link as you would normally ([[page name]]) but put "w:c:super-smash-bros:" before the name of the page you want to link to. If, for example, I wanted to link to my user page from another wiki, I would use [[w:c:super-smash-bros:User:PenguinofDeath]]. As with all links of that type, using something like [[w:c:super-smash-bros:User:PenguinofDeath|this]] would make the link appear as this. Hope that helped. PenguinofDeath 17:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, you have to use dashes. Thanks, I was trying many different versions of it and would never have thought to use them. Oni Dark Link 20:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

hang onnnnn[edit]

It says on your page that you have mastered wavedashing, teching and other high level techniques. Teching is not a high level technique in my opinion. It may be hard for many people, but if you have quick reflexes it is fairly simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Hobster (talkcontribs) 17:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I asume that you think yourself to have faster reflexes then clarinet hawk. NO ONE has faster reflexes then Clarinet Hawk. Also, sign with ~~~~ or die! Clarinet Hawk fan (talk) 16:38, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

you delete my page?!?[edit]

You deleted my page, saying a lot of people use it, its called b throw>dair. Well I was the 1st to discover it, and I named it Hobbing. I used it on Wi-fi in Brawl, and people copied me. Thats why it shold be named after me. Wobbling was names after wobbles the phoenix, but people still use that, but they call it wobbling. I discover a technique, i expect it to be named after me. Otherwise you could give wobbling a technical name, saying there's no proof that he found it, just that he was the 1st to use it in tournaments. The Hobster (talk) 17:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

You have it wrong. Wobbling is called that because Wobbles was the guy who popularized it. If you want your "Hobbing" to be considered a notable technique, you'll have to use it to great effect in multiple significant tournaments. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Stats Guy 18:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I am pretty sure a follow-up does not qualify as a technique. Y462 (TCE ) 20:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, i suppose so, but in that case, how do I get into the tournaments, because I don't think I ever live near them. The UK has no tournaments that I hear of, and I live in an area where there's only about 5 people to play against, so thats very limited training even if i was able to access themThe Hobster (talk) 20:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Trust me on this, people were not copying you specifically on wi-fi. As for tourneys, check out AiB. They might have some listings for the UK or at least some online tourneys. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
All the UK listings are in London, and not a single one online. I don't live near London, is there any other sites with tournaments on?The Hobster (talk) 08:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Try Smash Boards. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi Whats Up-LuigiTheSmasher52 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luigithesmasher52 (talkcontribs)

I suggest you sign your comments with four tidles. Y462 (TCE ) 22:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Um, I was about to go out for a drink with some friends. Did you need something in particular? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


Clarinet Hawk, why did you delete my recently created article, "brawling top 10?-Blablob (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears that you don't yet have a good grasp of what a wiki is about. A wiki is not a forum (that is, a place where people talk about whatever). A wiki is a collection of objective information. Perhaps you should take a step back for a bit and improve existing articles, as well as observing the edits that other users make. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Stats Guy 00:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I am not actually sure what your article was about, Blablob. What you can do is create a blog or user sub-page for it. Y462 (TCE ) 00:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Rollback Rights[edit]

Hello, I was just wondering whether I could have rollback rights. I feel that could come in handy. I have been reverting vandalism using the undo link like mad since I joined and a lot of my edits are reverting vandalism. I have had admin and crat powers on other wikis so know how to use them. I just can't preview pages without a 75% chance of my internet browser crashing and rollback skips out that section. Thank you, ☆The Solar Dragon (talk)☆ 07:34, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

This is the page you're looking for. Requests aren't made straight to Bureaucrats - they're just the ones who close the Requests. PenguinofDeath 10:54, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I tried to find it but it isn't exactly advertiesd very well. Maybe a link for all Requests for powers in the Sidebar? Anyway, created my request. Sorry for bothering you Clarinet Hawk. ☆The Solar Dragon (talk)☆ 11:04, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

You've got fanmail[edit]

I don't know what to make of Clarinet Hawk fan - they don't seem to be attempting to pretend to be you in any way, but their user name is worryingly similar. As they're your fan, I figured you should be the person to make a decision about whether or not they should be blocked. PenguinofDeath 16:38, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

To PenguinofDeath: I think your jealous that Clarinet Hawk is better then you and you want to block all his fans so you will gain popularity. Also, I am not a they.
To Clarinet Hawk: First of all you are:
  • 25% Noob owner
  • 25% Idiot owner
  • 25% People who dislike you owner
  • 25% Pure awesomeness
  • And U have t3h ph1r3
Now that I'm done telling you how cool you are, I'll talk about PoD's thing. I am not attempting to impersonate you in any way. I chose my username because it describes me. However, if you want me to change my user name I will. Clarinet Hawk fan (talk) 16:47, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Please read this. SmashWiki is not a social/IM site, neither are talk pages supposed to be used in this fashion. If you want to show that you're a fan of CHawk, please take your business somewhere else. Thanks, RAN1 16:59, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
I think I made my point so I won't be "socializing" with him any more. Clarinet Hawk fan (talk) 19:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Sock puppet alert[edit]

Please check the user creation log. Within a few minutes of each other, two accounts with similiar names were created. Clarinet Hawk fan (talk) 20:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


I wanna talk to you sometime. Nothing urgent, though, no need to hurry or anything. Shadowcrest 21:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


Why haven't you permabanned him? His block log is twice as large as BNK, and BNK was permabanned. Kperfekt PAs, trolls, and sometimes even vandalizes with every singe edit. 04:52, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


There's a new request. You might want to check it out. 03:08, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Talk page[edit]

Why'd you delete my talk page? :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 尺eed (talkcontribs) 22:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

It was a blank page, and, before all content was removed, it was just being used as a second user page, so there was no point un-blanking the page, so he deleted it. PenguinofDeath 10:18, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Just one Question[edit]

How did you get that section to the right of your page with the information of Brawl and you name and Birth and stuff, or is that only for admins? Kirby0h0 (talk) 04:50, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's the Smasherbeta template. Also, please stop using user pages as talk pages. PenguinofDeath 10:18, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Clarinet Hawk, as you may have noticed through the recent changes, there was a bit of vandalism today. We've turned on Special:ProtectSite here, and it is currently in use (for just a few more minutes). If excessive vandalism occurs again, you yourselves can use it, but only in extreme circumstances. It is not a toy and should never be used for long periods of time or for small problems. Cheers, and if you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. Joey (talk) 03:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

re: last night[edit]

A couple questions.

  1. Why was protectsite necessary, exactly? As far as I can tell, the only pages that warranted protection were SBR and possibly MK (SSBB)- I don't get how the rest of the vandalism couldn't have been covered with blocks. (This isn't criticism of you CH, I'm merely trying to figure out the original reason.)
  2. Why were those IPs (as in the only 2 that were actually blocked) blocked for 6 months?
  3. Directed specifically at you, why does one isolated incident warrant year-long protection?

Thanks. Shadowcrest 14:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

  1. I did not do the protect site. I most likely would not have done it had it been my call in that case, but I do see the motives of the person who did it.
  2. That kind of vandalism is something that I haven't seen in a while, but which used to be common enough that I wanted to set a precedent against it happening again. I checked that nothing else had been done with the IPs to make sure that they were not public computers that had been used by good contributors. In my mind, there was virtually no reason to believe that anything good was coming from those IPs and every reason to assume that they would do this again.
  3. It was not one isolated incident. That page has been a target of vandalism since the day I set foot on this wiki. We tried unprotecting it, and we saw what happened. Anyone who has information that is actually valuable to that page should make an account (and probably already has one). Again, the risks of allowing IPs to edit that page greatly outweigh the potential small benefits.
Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
The protectsite was necessary. Many pages were being vandalized, and for an hour or so only BNK and I were there to battle the vandalism, and neither of us have any power. As far as I know, that was a coordinated attack launched by a group of people trying to destroy this site (maybe I'm exaggerating). I don't think they will try that again as it probably required a lot of preparation. 21:01, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, it probably required about two minutes of preparation. If you know how to use proxies, and feel like vandalizing a wiki, the rest writes itself. And they weren't "trying to destroy this site". Well, if they were, they failed miserably. It wouldn't be too difficult for them to do it again, but, on the other hand, they've most likely got better things to do... PenguinofDeath 21:57, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
These were most likely users from the Encyclopedia Dramatica. After carefully reading the rant article entitled "tourneyfag" and its talk page, I noticed that the way these vandals used their insults is very similar to the regular text on the articles. They might also be members blocked from the SWF. BNK 23:23, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


I choose option number one: unblock my [BNK] account. :D 02:57, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

And you thought it was that easy? No, you need to convince me why I should pick that option. You could have started by following the User Talk page Guidelines, but I'll let that one slide. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:13, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Well, he did help me fight off those vandals, for starters. 03:21, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
  1. You might have heard this before, but I've changed. A lot. Not just here, but at other Wikia sites as well. I've demonstrated behavior that you would consider the complete opposite to how I acted in 2008.
  2. I've left a mark here. I've created articles, uploaded images, and improved existing articles more than some users who have been here for three years. My contributions to this place are what link me to it, along with my history with some of its users.
  3. This may not be much, but I have a full understanding of SmashWiki's policies. Before, I only comprehended the titles.
I've ended my conflict with all of the administrators here as well. Also, there are my recent contributions that show my improvement in behavior, activity at other wikia sites that shows how I can still benefit even the least active communities, and overall edits...
Ah! One more thing: 1 (that's a laugh with you, not at you). 03:31, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I appreciate the humor and honesty. I haven't decided yet, but trust that you'll be the first to know. You're IP is still unblocked, but I would request that you put "BNK" in the edit summary of every edit that you make for the time being so we know it's you. I will say that this has a good chance of working it's way into SmashWiki the Movie part 5. Wait, did I say 5? But wasn't the last one part 4? you ask. Why yes, so what does that mean we're doing right now. ;-) Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:12, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Alright, thank you. And it has been a while; hopefully this one features some animushun. 13:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, an idea for the smash 64 portion[edit]

Is it possible to add a matchup index for each character for smash 64 similar to the brawl matchups. All of the matchups were posted in the official matchup chart (as >, >>, <, and << instead of the numbers. (The >> for example refers to hard countering or better than a 60 40 matchup. Or should I just post it like this:

For example: Captain Falcon Matchups Kirby: Kirby >> Falcon Samus: Falcon >> Samus

etc. Or some other format?--KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 22:53, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

I can't say that I know the 64 metagame well enough to know how exactly the match-ups are discussed, but if there's any way to do it similar to how it's done for the Brawl characters, then I would say go for it. You know the scene better than I do in this case. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:16, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I know what the matchups are from a thread, you know anyone who could design something similar to the brawl matchup posts? --KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 21:36, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Talk with Toomai, he did the Brawl ones. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:06, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
Hey Koro, could you please upload the SSB matchup table and place it on the matchup article? 00:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

how would i use or make a signature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tri-Rain (talkcontribs)


whats a mod38.116.192.100 18:54, March 3, 2010 (UTC)im unregestered

cool post bro Semicolon (talk) 21:02, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

thanks38.116.192.100 17:28, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

k thx u2 Semicolon (talk) 04:41, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

excuse me, but what the hell? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:44, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Why does BNK keep getting banned? He's one who follows wikia rules, but I saw that on [Kirby Wikia] sorry if I still can't do links right. 04:43, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

And Clarinet, why did you just post he**? You know that's offensive to at least some people. But that's all I don't even know why I am about to post this. 04:45, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

The urge to troll you for those posts has rendered me practically fetal, but yet I resist. You should be grateful. Truth, BNK was banned because his behavior has been outrageously bad in the past. Since then, BNK has both behaved well, and contributed a lot. We gave him his final chance, and he is taking it seriously, and he deserves some commendation for that, although with reservation, because there are still scars from the shitstorms he's caused. Which segways nicely into my next point, which is that hell is not a bad word. Words are collections of sounds which have particular associations. We've had this debate many many times here on Samshwikiz and the result is always the understanding that words represent ideas, and censoring words doesn't censor ideas, it just censors words. If I decided that 'trune' actually meant 'bitch-ass motherfucker' it wouldn't be offensive to people, yet the sentiment which seems to offend people behind other 'profane' words remains. We generally refrain from excessive profanity here on Samshwikiz but there are moments where it is exceedingly appropriate. I'm sorry it offends you, but not being offended by stuff that doesn't hurt anyone is a life lesson, and in that respect, Samshwikiz might actually make a difference in your life. Semicolon (talk) 04:58, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just saying that some do, I don't really have a problem with the word. And no-wonder BNK is on the 'featured users' list. And why can't people delete their own comments what if they don't like the comment they put up? Or should I look at the guidelines for the site to know the answer to that? Smash Wikia is one of my favorite wikias, but I'm not saying that it's the best, other's are also great:Kirby wiki, earthbound wikia and a few other's. This is off-topic isn't it? 21:50, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

And I know I'm annoying, so sorry for any annoying comments. 21:54, March 11, 2010 (UTC)


What's a bureaucrat? --Megatron1 (talk) 03:42, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, think of them as the admin of admins. Like, an admin is a school principal, a bureaucrat is the superintendent. L33t Silvie I see wat u did thar... 04:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Megatron1: Bureaucrats can change user rights (Rollback, Administrator and Bureaucrat are user rights). Aside from that, there's not much else that they can do that Admins can't, but they are generally seen as the ultimate authority figure. If a regular user or a Rollback'r is causing trouble, you tell an Admin, but if it's an Admin causing trouble, you tell a Bureaucrat.
L33tSilvie: Your signature has been missing the timestamp recently, and the timestamp is necessary, etc. PenguinofDeath 08:46, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
Really, it's necessary? Hmph, didn't know that. I just got lazy and started typing three tildes instead of four. Sorry.L33t Silvie I see wat u did thar... 23:17, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Faulty comment on my talk page[edit]

I wasn't trying to stir up any trouble, nor troll. I was just speaking my mind, which happened to be against this site's faulty Ganondorf article. I feel that tournament success is unnecessary in deciding a character's abilities, and that it should instead be decided on how well someone can use different characters. I'm sorry for vandalizing your site by saying that practice overruns widespread preference, but can you argue and say that the statement is not true? And besides, how could I contribute to this site? It seems to have virtually all in-game data and more somewhere, and from personal experience, I heavily doubt my posts will receive a warm welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSBC (talkcontribs) 22:19, March 16 2010 (UTC)

  1. The Ganondorf article is not "faulty". It simply tells it how it is - that Ganondorf is not very useful under tournament rules and in the metagames of the most skilled players.
  2. You were not vandalising by saying that "practice overruns widespread preference", since such is inherently true. But again, in the context of competitive play and the tier list, practice is irrelevant - it is assumed that all players are at the highest level.
  3. There is always more to contribute, even if it's not major - such as spelling fixes, grammar improvements, and the like.
  4. On talk pages, always put ~~~~ after your posts. This signs them for you.
Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png eXemplary Logic 00:31, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Next time, I'll make sure to base my opinion on characters from popularity rather than core taste. And simply correcting a grammatical error wouldn't seem to pay some sort of debt I have to this site. I'm sure you want something that goes a longer way out of me. And if I'm not mistaken, I believe you said you won't accept my signature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SSBC (talkcontribs) 19:12, Marth 17, 2010 (UTC)

  1. You seem to be forgetting something about wikis - articles are to be objective and opinion-free. I agree with you that tier lists are lame and cause newbies to act like MK is teh bezt evar, and that tournaments aren't how the game was designed. But I also do not ignore the facts that some characters do better than others under tournament rules, and as a game designer myself, I know it's essentially impossible to balance everything for every situation - including the ones you can't plan for.
  2. You can be a perfectly good contributor by doing minor edits; as long as they improve the wiki nobody really cares how significant they are.
  3. If your sig isn't allowed, that's no excuse for not fixing it and using it. We've told you how to fake different sigs on different wikis - put {{SUBST:some sort of user subpage}} as your sig in Preferences, then making that page to the sig rules on each individual wiki. For example, my sig is {{SUBST:User:Toomai/sig}}, so no matter what Wikia wiki I go to, I can change my sig for each one individually by editing that page.
Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png eXemplary Logic 20:20, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

remember me?[edit]

I remember you..ooooohhh....Ike6481 (talk) 21:37, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Request to re-add NWX page[edit]

hi i understand that you deleted my info off of this site i dont have a problem with it because i didnt inform you or anyone else here but yea if you can bring back the page i made id appreciate it. thanks, NWX —Preceding unsigned comment added by NWX (talkcontribs) 12:07, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I believe the page was deleted because it was so badly written that the deletor couldn't make heads or tails of whether you were notable enough. You're free to put (almost) whatever you want on your user page, but to have a smasher page, you have to fit to notability criteria - and without spell/grammar-checking, it certainly looks like an amateur. (And on talke, pages, always put ~~~~ after your comments so the system can sign them for you.) Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png eXemplary Logic 16:29, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


If there's anything wrong you witness on this site, I could always make it better. Tell me, though. SSBC (talk) 00:21, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

C-Hawk I think it's okay with you if I take this one. I'll make it quick SSBC. It's pretty much everything you could do better. You could actually contribute information to the site. You could graciously follow the rules instead of mouth off. You could be open to different points of view. Those are the big 3 I see for you right now. Let's be honest. You didn't start out too hot, and you didn't do yourself any favors since your first ban. You're tight rope walking as it is, so basically doing anything better than you were before is a start. This might sound outrageous, but believe me, we have been very very patient, lenient, and even generous with you up to this point. Semicolon (talk) 01:12, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

If you main Ganon... why not contribute to his atribute section? Without breaching NPOV policies, of course. I don't want to start another argument, just a suggestion. 01:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Since I don't climb deep into the depths of the game, I couldn't exactly do much to improve the section. Also, I'd be generally writing a criticism report on my favorite character in Brawl. However, I could try. SSBC (talk) 01:55, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

You wouldn't be writing a criticism report. If you think there's good thing's to wright about him, Be bold!. Perhaps, and I been perhaps it will affect SWR's opinion of him, if it's written well. 02:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

There's somebody who plans on banning me if I make any mistakes in an edit, so that's just great. Also, the fact remains that I don't know professional statistics, meaning I won't be able to write (this attack has x hitboxes) or (the out of shield game is x). SSBC (talk) 10:23, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

So, Clarinet, would it be alright to write about Ganondorf but include no spicy observations such as hitboxes, % dealt, etc.? SSBC (talk) 19:36, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, CHawk. In regards to my rollback flag, .I feel as if the privilege is largely unnecessary due to the fact that I've left here, and that I should not keep it for other more subtle reasons. If you don't mind, could you please remove my rollback privileges? Thanks, RAN1 04:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


I know you're an admin, and I know I'm just some kid who only has like 40 edits who comes to this wiki only like once a week, but why did you replace Pikachu's page with a picture of a lamb? Zordon123456789mlw7 (talk) 06:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

It was worth it just to see this post. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
What day is it today? Yes that's right, March ended yesterday. (I personally think this is too much, but let 'em have fun.) Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Stats Guy 12:03, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


Someone vandalized the page Pikachu and I want to know why.

What did you do?[edit]

Why did you do that to the Pikachu page? How could an administrator be so jerkish? I thought admins were the kind of people that were nice and respectful and were the kind we looked up to... But now you must do This? Seriously, why would you replace an ENTIRE ARTICLE with just a sheep image? Seriously, Clarinet, you need to tone down this behavior. Usually, I wouldn't allow myself to "Backseat mod", but now I think it's acceptable, considering what you did, and how you handled your responsibility as an admin. Good day, sir! >:( ParaGoomba348 03:49, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

But it's april fools day. 03:55, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


listen up! stop changing my talk page! every time you do it, i have to start ALL over! lucly, i have it pasted somewhere, so stop editting it, cuz im just gonna change it back! Zelda101 03:41, April 7, 2010 (UTC)zelda101Zelda101 03:41, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

No you're not. That is not what talk pages are for. This is not your little corner of the internet that you can post whatever you want on. User talk pages have very specific uses as outlined in the User Talk Page Guidelines. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:43, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
i'll let you know something, i wrote "who do YOU think will be in the next game?" so that people can talk on who will be in the next game. alright, now stop being a d-ck

Zelda101 03:49, April 7, 2010 (UTC)zelda101Zelda101 03:49, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Read the damn guidelines then try posting again. And don't call me a dick, I would be well within policy to block you right now. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:51, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
This kid is acting very similar to some other users. I wonder... 03:59, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
well im new to the site and nothing in the SW:UTPG said nothing about "its wrong to give you opinion". cant you see its my opinion? im letting people post what characters they would like to see in SSb4 , WHICH THEY ARE UNABLE TO DO THANKS TO YOU! you see im pissed off right now. so common dude. im actually not to sure if im using my talk page right or wrong however.
Are you serious? No, really: are you actually serious? I will quote the guidelines: "Beyond conversations about edits to the wiki, minor outside conversations are perfectly acceptable. However, do not extend these into being chat rooms, message boards, and/or e-mail accounts."' Please, if this isn't clear, let me know, but I don't see how it isn't. Learn to post properly or leave. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:32, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

im tired of you. you dont need to burst into a debate of mine nad just yell "THE DEBATE R USELESS". are you just saying that cuz its my debate? and "refusal to learn"? dude... are you that one sided? -_- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelda101 (talkcontribs)

Um, what the hell are you talking about? I didn't "burst into a deabte" of yours, I tried to tell you that the talk page wasn't the right place and you weren't using it correctly. I then linked you to the user talk page guidelines, which can't be any clearer on the subject. I would know, I wrote them. Basically, there is a correct way to use the user talk pages which is for what we are doing now and an incorrect way which is what you keep reverting your page to. I'm going to spell this out very plainly to you: User Talk pages are for discussing said user's edit to the wiki. Forums are for discussing which characters should be in SSB4, and had you actually looked you would have realized that there is already a forum for that. So basically, you've managed to make a duplicate forum in the wrong place (something that is not appriciated on any gaming website) and then continually remade/reverted said forum and flamed that admin that told you to stop. You're going for an inside the park home-run as it comes to bad posting. Here's my advice, stop at third and I don't permaban you. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:36, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
Actually it's his job. That's what he does here. That's what Wikia wants him to do. You're doing things wrong, and your attitude is bad. Please, be more respectful, consider carefully what you are going to say before posting again. Semicolon (talk) 20:52, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ahoy hoy[edit]

I'm on IRC now, if you want to talk. PenguinofDeath 20:07, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


I figured that out already. Think you have the time to brawl me?--Megatron1 (talk) 00:41, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


I do not know of him but I do not know as much about European Smash. Judging by videos of him vs Armada at SKOnnett (just look up Hack(Marth), he looks like a Semi-Pro (or, a good player from his area but not top top like a professional. --KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 23:49, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


I was considering blocking the guy who posted TR4Q, since I'd heard somewhere that such was an instant block. But I didn't see anything about that offense specifically on the policy page, so I asked Salad on IRC. He said something to the effect of "just remove it tbh, block him if he puts it back". Just so you know. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Table Designer 16:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we have it codified, but we made it an administrative decision around the last merge. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 16:46, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Should it remain an unwritten rule, or should it be put into SW:BLOCK? Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png eXemplary Logic 16:51, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
I certainly hope this only encompasses useless tr4q messages and not ones that are actual arguments that happen to contain the phrase. Shadowcrest 18:47, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
If you are talking about someone asking if we should keep it in the page (or doing as you have done), then absolutely they shouldn't be banned. However, even if someone is actually arguing, there is no need for them to be using stereotypical derogatory remarks. For example, imagine someone coming on your talk page and writing, "I really don't agree with the User Talk Page Guidelines. I think that more leeway should be allowed for users to have conversations about crew matters. Can you provide the reasons that this was first implemented. Oh, and anyone who supports the UTPG is a bunch of fags." Even though s/he is legitimately arguing, they would be banned for the last part. If someone has a legit argument, they don't need to use tr4q and if they don't they shouldn't be using it anyway. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:56, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
If I were to say "[...] your piss-poor argument is far from watertight", would I be banned then? Shadowcrest 23:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
No, but considering you're the one who says that wikilawyering isn't allowed, I think this one can be left to a judgment call. Also, I will say (and please do not take this the wrong way) that I am more tolerant of someone calling a single person someone a "stupid fuck" or "douche bag" than I am of stereotypical racial/sexual/etc. slurs. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)


listen dude, there is a picture of Aryll added to the trophy page and its drivin me mad. how do i replace photos? (NOTE!! it's been awhile since i saw that page, so the picture may be gone)

Zelda101 (talk) 11:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)zelda101Zelda101 (talk) 11:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

... ummm, what are you talking about? Also, please start signing your posts correctly. You just type ~~~~ not ~~~~zelda101~~~~. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 14:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

what i mean is how do i replace photos? Zelda101 (talk) 23:48, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm asking about the picture. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:58, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

o. well, there IS a trohpey of aryll, but next to it offical art of aryll thats not a trophey and i want to replace it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelda101 (talkcontribs) 11:09, April 22, 2010

Suggested reading. And it's spelled trophy, not trophey.highway Highwaypumpypic.png pumpy 19:23, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


If things such as that are still bothering, please talk to me on IRC, I want to clear up any issues with it that you have.Smoreking(T) (c) 22:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

No, see, you can't clear up the issues, because you already did those things. You can't make it go away. It happened. You abused socks, end of story, and no, neither C-Hawk nor I are okay with it, and the only way to 'clear it up' is to change our position on the abuse of sock puppets, which we're not going to do and there's no reason to do. If it had been up to me, you never would have been an admin, especially in light of this. You also don't really seem to think that it was wrong of you, and while your remorse wouldn't change anything, it would make me slightly more comfortable with you as an admin. By the way, don't block anyone for being a sock. Tell another admin to block all socks. Last thing the SmashWiki administration needs is credible accusations of hypocrisy. Semicolon (talk) 23:19, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Well, not exactly what I was going for, but I see your point. Anyway, I was more just commenting on the fact that Smore had some balls to use a sock in the way he did. I wasn't necessarily a judgment, but rather a statement. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Glad it's not up to you, then. Shadowcrest 19:10, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
I really cannot fathom why you defend him when we have proof of sockpuppet abuse. You have a bigger problem with us dealing with users who are trolling or otherwise flaunting our rules somewhat caustically then putting policy in the hands of someone who has blatantly, knowingly, and without a doubt ignored and defied it. You have messed up priorities. Semicolon (talk) 19:16, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
No, I am just viewing the intent as the key to the issue, which, incidentally, is at this point a dead horse which you should stop beating. Shadowcrest 19:51, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Salad. How long have we known each other. When have I ever stopped beating a dead horse? Semicolon (talk) 20:42, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Semi, while I agree that Smore's RFA shouldn't have passed, is there anything we can do about it now? 23:46, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
You could request a reconfirmation-- I've been meaning to set up a formal venue for this but haven't gotten around to it-- but assuming the community votes approximately the same way they did last time I'd still pass it again. Shadowcrest 23:52, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Just looking through his logs, he has 2 blocks, a lot of deletions, and one protection (for a page that was consistantly being recreated). I don't know if this means anything, but it might help in deciding whether he's done a good job as a sysop. 00:00, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Cheers on Character Pages[edit]

I notice that on most character pages the cheer is not listed but on others it is listed. Remove or keep and add to others?highway Highwaypumpypic.png pumpy 20:15, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Kage the Warrior[edit]

Can this page be recreated. Kage is considered the top ganondorf in the United States in melee and possibly the top ganondorf in the world (Melee) --KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 16:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

If there's actual information on it go for it. I deleted it because there was nothing except the create a smasher page template. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:27, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


I just like to brawl other people on the wikia. Think you can brawl?--Megatron1 (talk) 03:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hold on there, Megatron. Before you brawl him, relize that he's one of the best in the country. He's invented several combos and glitches. Just a note before you face off against him. 03:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Kay. When I'm better, I'll brawl you.--Megatron1 (talk) 03:48, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
I suggest you train against a level 9 Bowser. He's really big, so it's easy to practice your combos and chaingrabs on him. 04:50, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
OK, before this get's out of hand and taken the wrong way... No, I am not one of the best in the country, not even close. Honestly, I've hardly played in the last year, except messing around with a few friends. Maybe at my best I could have cracked he bottom of professional play, but that's about it. I'm good, not great. I haven't invented anything; I discovered one glitch and documented another. As far as playing, I wouldn't mind if you'd like a few games, but I don't won't be able to do it anytime soon. I'm leaving to stay with my girlfriend for the next few weeks and won't really be free till mid June. I don't want to commit to a time, because I can't... Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions)

idk if you can do anything about this, but...[edit]

I really don't like wikia's new format, namely the lack of a watchlist. I know we got rid of the blog feature, so I was hoping that if the community came to a consensus we could go back to the old format. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:03, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

And, while reading Macbeth, I was really hoping that if my eight grade class came to a consensus, Lady Macbeth wouldn't betray Duncan. Your answer is somewhere in that statement, I just don't know where. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:05, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

"Bad edit" blocks[edit]

I don't think people deserve being blocked (however minor the block is) just for making a useless/bad edit. It makes it appear that admins are trigger-happy and are insensitive to the idea that newbies make mistakes. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Table Designer 19:23, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I may be going overboard, but things are also getting way to lax around here. I'm basically following the model of New York Crime fighting. Broken windows and turnstile jumping are actually enforced. I will go through and look at my blocks and make sure that I am doing this correctly. The one earlier today was borderline, but I honestly think that it was deserving of a short block. I will make you a deal: I will tone down the "bad edit" blocks, but will stay strict on the actual breaches of policy. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:21, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, okay. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Table Designer 20:25, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Watching the other birds take flight makes me want to fly, too.[edit]

By that, I mean that I've seen users being granted rollback and still lack the ability. I know you told me not to talk to you about rollback, but I feel I deserve it. Making an RfR page for myself would be borderline rebellious, so here I am, requesting your sanctioning for the page's creation. I think my edits and calm behavior (if you ignore my ever-so-slight summary sarcasm) back my stance and prove that I'm capable of having these powers. I just had BK's new ribs (recommended lunch whenever you have the time), and I feel really good about this. So, whaddaya say? h.png BNK [E|T|C] 01:44, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. Go ahead and make the RfR. I will say here that I am going to be out of town for the next two weeks, so I won't be able to resolve it until then (although Shadowcrest might), but you have earned the right to make the RfR. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


Do you want to brawl me sometime? I never brawled someone who had some professional experience before and I believe brawling you will help me guage how good I'm actually am. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 00:28, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Same for me!-Ivy73 (talk) 00:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ditto.--Megatron1 (talk) 01:42, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Brawling you guys would be fun, but don't expect anything great from me. I've hardly played competitively in the last year and a half (college/jobs/girfriends reduced my gaming time) and now mostly play an outdated version of Brawl+ casually from time to time. Also, the network I'm on is rather laggy, so judging how good y'all are is more difficult playing you than it would be for me to just see some replays of you playing and give you a critique. I'd obviously be happy to do that, and I've watched enough high level matches to have a decent idea what I'm talking about. So, if you guys want to just play some fun matches, let's set something up in a few weeks. But if you want to play competitively, well let's do Gears of War or Starcraft :) Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 15:50, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'll be glad to send some replays of mine, though I don't have much of them against human players. All the ones I have are of online fights though. I'm going to be available throughout the whole Summer, so just let me know when you'll be available to Brawl. As for Gears of War and Starcraft, I do now own either of those games. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 16:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

need to talk[edit]

I need to talk to you privately sometime. IRC would probably be easiest, though any off-wiki contact would work. Let me know how you want to do it :) Shadowcrest 02:57, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I want to talk to you again, but didn't feel like making a new section. It's not about the same thing as last time though. Shadowcrest 02:08, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

This edit[edit]

This is like my favorite edit ever. Miles (talk) 03:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Glad you like it. Things are getting way to lax around here :) Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

You deleted my page?[edit]

My page, "Game & Watch Uair Glitch" was deleted with the comment "not a glitch." Can you elaborate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 02:28, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

G&W's uair produces hitboxes that do 0% damage. Bosses are immune to the push effect, so they take hitlag as usual (and the damage number flickers as well). No damage is dealt. It happens with all hitboxes that do 0% damage, not just G&W's uair, and it's not a glitch. Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Table Designer 02:32, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: wario's appearance[edit]

Thank you for the pic of Wario's ultimate BUTT CHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cool post, bro. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:51, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic (SSBB) page[edit]

There's a part of the article that says it needs a clean up and it said it was too dense. So I did that so can I delete the clean up sign? Doc King (talk) 20:03, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

If you think an article no longer needs cleanup, you can take it off. Someone will put it back up if they think you're wrong. Dr. Pain 99 Dp99.png Talk 20:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks Dr. Pain. Doc King (talk) 20:12, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Remove my Rollback Rights[edit]

Hi, could you please remove my rollback rights as I am fully leaving the wiki. Thanks, {{subst:#switch:{{subst:#expr:{{subst:#time:U}} mod 6}} |0=☆The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.)☆ |1=The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) |2=The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) |3=☆The Solar Dragon☆ |4=The Solar Dragon |5=Solar Dragon (Talk Contribs.) }} 12:35, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

You're not leaving just because your current signature is too long, right? Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png The Stats Guy 12:40, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
No. I haven't been around for a while. I technically left a few months ago. I am just officially leaving now. {{subst:#switch:{{subst:#expr:{{subst:#time:U}} mod 6}}

|0=☆The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.)☆ |1=The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) |2=The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) |3=☆The Solar Dragon☆ |4=The Solar Dragon |5=Solar Dragon (Talk Contribs.) }} 12:41, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Link/source for my Hyrule Castle edit[edit]

Hey, here's a link/source for my edit on Hyrule Castle about Maxim Tomatoes never appearing there and every container is an explosive:

Plus (after I read about that) I remember I played on Hyrule Castle once with only Pokèballs and Maxim Tomatoes turned on, and I was like "Come on Maxim Tomatoes! I need a good heal in damage!". Then I remembered that Maxim Tomatoes don't appear on that stage. (Unregistered Contributor) 22:32, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the link. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 23:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Doc King[edit]

Hey Clarinet, can you do me a favor and please let me talk to that guy who threatened to kill me so I can appoligize to him for what I've done on his talk page and can you block this guy for good! Doc King (talk) 03:47, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

No, we don't talk to d-bags like that. That IP has been blocked for a week (almost always enough for an IP; we don't like to perma ban them for single edits) and I think this is the best time for this to stop. Take the high road here; if he comes back next week, I'll perma him. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:10, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

An Ashnard page[edit]

May I begin an article for Ashnard? I don't think I see one. MAGMA (talk) 16:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

You can, unless it was previously deleted.--MegaTron1XD:p 16:29, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'll start up a page as soon as I can collect enough information to rate anything from a description to trivia. MAGMA (talk) 21:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

To tell you, he only appears as a trophy and unless someone opposes the consensus of the forum about game articles, trophy articles will soon be purged. As of now though, trophies get articles. So you can go and create the article, but we don't need detailed information about the character. Here's an example of what a trophy article should look like. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:08, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I checked that, and I think the information might be slightly incorrect on that page. If it is mentioning all the people in armor, those are NOT the Black Knight or even in the same class. Those are Generals, a specific Unit Class in Fire Emblem. If it is speaking of someone who looks different, it may not be, it may be someone in a different series, and lastly, it might be Zelgius, who is basically the Black Knight in different armor, and maybe with a helmet. If you can provide an example, I might be able to identify what this is talking about. MAGMA (talk) 22:19, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

The article is not mentioning the people you see in the background of Castle Siege being Black Knights, it is talking about the person on the throne in the back of background being the Black Knight. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:36, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

That's two-thirds of what I'm asking. Could you please show me a picture of the knight in the background? I just want to check if this is true. MAGMA (talk) 22:39, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a photo to show you and lacking a hacking device, I can't zoom in enough to tell if it is the Black Knight for certain. You can go to Castle Siege and judge for yourself or look for a hacked photo online. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 22:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Forgive Me[edit]

Um, you said that I can't make worthless forums and I kind of disrespected you. And then I found out you're an admin and I knew at once that I was wrong and I want to ask for you to forgive me. Please? Mintstarr (Talk) 15:07, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


Your talk page is over twice the size of the recomended archive size. Don't you think it's time for an archive? Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 16:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Character Images[edit]

Recently extra character artwork not relevant to Smash Bros. is getting purged (i.e. Ganondorf's OoT artwork, which isn't needed here). Why is the extra Peach artwork needed? If any other artwork, then her early Pauline artwork? --HavocReaper'48 19:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

As it was the earliest image of her on the page, it served encyclopedic purposes. I would contend that Ganondorf's OoT artwork should also be up as it (directly or indirectly) influenced his Melee art. The practice of purging information should not be taken so far that basic information about characters, including the art history of them (so people can see the development of the character), is relegated to other wikis. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:02, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Castle seige stuff[edit]

Right now, I'm working on hacking Brawl, and I'm leaving out the camera hack right now. But if I find my other SD Card or buy a new one, I'll find out what the knight in the throne looks like more clearly so I can write about that. But my hypothesis is that it's the Black Knight in different armor, as he has a different suit of armor in the game. MAGMA (talk) 05:56, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I´m writung an entry here,cause I got some general questions about translation matters concerning the German Smashwiki which is,actually,kind of rudimental. I´d be glad if you´d answer me on my Discussion page in the German Wiki or send me a PN or whatever. Actually I´d like to translate some of the entries in this English Wiki and put them up on the German Wiki.I also want to use some pictures,but I don´t know whether anything is Copyright infridgement or else. But nevertheless, it would be a great supply, to simply translate and copy a few things to accelerate the German Wiki. Link is Here!


Everything on the wiki is released under CC-BY-SA, so there is no need to worry about Copyright infringement. I don't German, so I won't be able to assist with translations, but if you need help with coding, let me know. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 22:40, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
All CC-BY-SA contributions require attribution to be copied, so you'd have to link back to the original article/history to provide credit to the original authors. Shadowcrest 00:14, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

teh linkz[edit]

i demandz it Semicolon (talk) 22:37, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

You mean this? Toomai Glittershine Toomai.png 23:12, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
No, he doesn't. I'm trying to teach him a lesson about how to use a phone. lol. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:40, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
between playing sc2 the moment i get home and working ten hours a day, phonez has been hard to come by. oh, and did i tell you adam charged me 20 bucks for 'cleaning' of my room? bullshit. Semicolon (talk) 13:38, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
Is Adam your superintendant? Anon 02:16, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Doc temporarily banned!?[edit]

Are you serous!? Zeldasmash 23:24, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

He assaulted a user ZS. That's ban worthy.--MegaTron1XD:p 23:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
He overreacted, he did not mean what he said to me. Zeldasmash 23:28, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
Still. He essentially assaulted you. He could have been joking around, but he'll still get temp banned.--MegaTron1XD:p 23:29, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
He has violated NPA on and off-wiki more than once, and even after his first block he went on to attack Zeldasmash (and before that, he had harassed Zeldasmash multiple times). I would believe that Doc King saw Zeldasmash as inferior and thought it would be OK to make such actions, and/or he thought it would get him attention or some kind of award from an admin witnessing his actions. He doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes and I'm willing to bet he'll return doing the same sh**. Serious or not. BNK [E|T|C] 23:37, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree with anything you just said other than the first line. Furthermore, this could all be resolved by everyone just calming the hell down. It's not that big of a deal. Shadowcrest 23:40, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
You are correct, it is a personal conflict between them, but as they are the friends of many of us, it's natural for us to get involved. However, I agree we should calm down. Mr. Anon teh awsome 02:13, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

First, this is not the first time Doc King has acted like this. It is not acceptable. However, as you (Zeldasmash) are the person whom the attacks were directed at on this wiki, if you feel that he should not have been banned for them, I will reduce his ban to three days. I'm keeping the three days on because, quite frankly, what he did both on the wiki and the IRC is worthy of a vacation. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


Is that really necessary? Not only is this not forum related at all, it's obnoxious and the block log is available to everyone, and imo just makes things look worse in general. Shadowcrest 23:32, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well that is what the template is for, so maybe you should bring it up on the template's page. Sir Anon the great 02:14, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I believe it is necessary. It is a simple way of letting users know that the issue has been seen by an admin and dealt with. It also serves to let other users know that posting like that is not acceptable. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:23, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
All of which is also accomplished by 1) public block logs, talkpages, etc and 2) not being retarded in the first place. Still don't see it as worth making a hostile situation look even more hostile. Shadowcrest 04:14, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see how it makes it look more hostile. It's only used in serious cases of PAs, so it can't make it more hostile. Sir Anon the great 04:16, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
First, that's not even true, since C.Hawk has appended it to comments in forums, talk pages, etc that contain nothing that can be remotely considered a personal attack, instead just being generally dumb. Second, if you believe that situations cannot be made more hostile after a single personal attack has been made, you are very much mistaken. Furthermore, how does a big, red message talking about people being banned not contribute to hostility? Shadowcrest 04:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)