User talk:Black Vulpine/Archive 2

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Solid Snake[edit]

What?! That was so true. Just play Metal Gear Solid 5 and you'll know I'm right. Big Boss in the original Metal Gear is Venom Snake, and the ending reveals that. Skuchi037 (talk) 23:32, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Edit: Okay, good. You realized that. My bad. Skuchi037 (talk) 23:33, 14 March 2018 (EDT)


Nowhere in the policy does it say that an edit summary must be included when removing personal information. Awesome Cardinal 2000 23:56, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Not a policy but Help:Edit summary suggests leaving edit summaries for removal of information, and I would tend to agree. Serpent SKSig.png King 00:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Yeah, turns out I had the wrong article. But even so, leaving edit summaries, no matter the circumstances, is something we actively enforce as if it is a policy, and that's what I was doing. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:09, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
It suggests it but does not say "must," and it does not say to revert a player's removal of their real name if they request to. And regardless of what the policy says, can't we at least respect the desires of players to hide their personal info? The player has already attempted to remove the name multiple times. Consider that there are many people who play smash on a competitive level just for fun, and would rather not have their personal info posted on some site on the Internet. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:14, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure SK will side with me on this one, and I understand your concerns, but given that we ALWAYS revert no-summary removals, I honestly don't think it would be fair for us to make an exception for this bloke, because he has inadequately disclosed his intentions. There are actually quite a lot of things in the Help guides that we enforce as a policy, and this is one of those things. If you think there should be a change, take it up with administration. My hands are tied. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:24, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Well SW:OWNERSHIP doesn't say that you must revert it every single time it happens. And the player even left a deletion tag saying "this page was made about me and I would no longer like it to be available on the internet." Is that not a reasonable enough attempt at communication at least suggesting that at least their real name should be removed? Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:32, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
I'll discuss it on Discord and see what we say. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:42, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Well the policy basically says that a reason should be included when removing personal content. If you're going to continue to insist that after the player removed his multiple times and left an explanation in the deletion tag, that his name still be kept on the page, that's just being completely stubborn and unreasonable. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:52, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Do not harass me. These are unusual circumstances and while the solution might be clear in your eyes, I do not want to do anything else without conferring with others. Be patient. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:54, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
I frankly do not understand how a user removing their name several times and posting a delete tag with an explanation count as "unusual circumstances" that leads to their name being kept on the page. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:58, 21 March 2018 (EDT)


Being in two games is NOT a veteran? Looks like Diddy's not a veteran then.... User:RatedMforMario. Let's-a-go!~ 14:01, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Do you not read edit summaries? I said in the very next one that was a screw-up on my part, and I also said not to message me about it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 16:12, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Hey man[edit]

Can I use your userbox? Iron Reggie, the Easter Bunny Warrior 23:24, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

Yes, you can. You don't need to ask. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 00:00, 28 March 2018 (EDT)
Meh. I just thought it would be polite I guess. Iron Reggie, the Easter Bunny Warrior 00:36, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

A little help?[edit]

Hey, I've noticed that most people have their own pages, but I go to my page and see that I can't edit it, what's the problem? UltraNessDX (talk) 11:07, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

It could be because you’re not autoconfirmed, which requires membership for 7 days and a minimum of 10 edits on the wiki. When not autoconfirmed, you cannot, among other things, create pages. However if memory serves me right, you should still be able to create your own page, so I don’t know what the problem there is. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 15:57, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
Userspace editing is limited to autoconfirmed users when the Wiki status is yellow. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:21, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
Well, there you go. In double checking this I found that the page is not up to date. I’ll fix that. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 17:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT)


I know that there's no way to delete comments or accounts, and I know you you're frustrated with me, but why is it a part of the policy? I just want my posts to not be on Toomai's talk page anymore because I don't want anyone to possibly identify my name. If this can't be a fair exception to the policy, can you please explain why no deletion included in it? I also want my user page deleted please. Thank you. Stefiroth (talk) 21:20, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I am not an administrator, so I cannot help you with any of your concerns. Contact one of our active administrators for further assistance. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:34, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
Your userpages have been deleted, but I will not make an exception for talk page posts. Serpent SKSig.png King 03:34, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

how exactly is "literal" against SW:TONE?[edit]

It's not even listed as one of the example bad words. It adds clarity to an otherwise confusingly-phrased trivia point. SW:TONE specifically refers to skewing towards a certain POV -- words like "best" and "worst". Also... it's been repealed. Its replacement, SW:NPOV, also refers solely to POV words, which literal is not one. TheNuttyOne 22:41, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

The more relevant page, SW:WTW, is A) a guideline, so not mandatory, and B) also contains nothing that would include "literal", as far as I can tell. TheNuttyOne 22:46, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I was not aware that TONE was repealed. However, I still believe that words such as 'literal' should be used with care. Considering it a bad word to use would indeed be a bit of a stretch - I will admit this. But in this case, I do believe that its use here, albeit minorly, falls under editorialising. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:00, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
um... no? Literal is not, by any definition, the same as "interestingly", "notably", or "unusually". Editorialism is described as giving something "inadvertent focus". Literal means "taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory"; honestly, I'd say this is the exact opposite of editorialism, as it creates a sense of normality rather than unique terminology.
The trivia point in question is on a page that uses the word clone to mean "a character in a fighting game who is identical, or similar with only a few key differences, to another character". By specifying "literal", we clarify that Dark Pit is a clone of Pit meaning "an identical copy". TheNuttyOne 23:28, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I still disagree with using the word literal. However, you have given me an idea on an alternative word to use, which I will go and implement now. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:33, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
You... you do realize that true is a synonym of literal, right? TheNuttyOne 15:59, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
And you do realize that words have both official and implicit definitions, right? The word literal when used in this context implies a sarcastic or critical undertone to the statement. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:10, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
How so? How could the statement "a literal clone" be sarcastic or critical? TheNuttyOne 16:12, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
Because the words literal and literally when used as adjectives are generally used in that manner, and hence have developed these connotations over time. If there's one useful thing I learned from english at GCSE, it's that not all synonyms are equal. Some imply different emotions or undertones than others, either by virtue of how they sound when spoken, or how they are commonly used in conversation. As such, when writing it is important to choose the wording that best suits the message you are trying to get across, as different synonyms have subtle connotations to them that will cause phrases to be interpreted differently. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:16, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
The interpretation a word may connote only applies if that interpretation is relevant to or possible in the situation at hand. The sentence "Dark Pit is also the first moveset clone in Super Smash Bros. to also be a true clone of the character he shares moves with in his source game" cannot be sarcastic or critical. It is a literal, straightforward sentence.
I don't have a problem with the current phrasing, seeing as it truly has the same meaning (that statement, by the way, also demonstrates that "true"/"truly" may carry the same sarcastic or critical implication if used correctly), so I see no reason to continue the argument. However, regardless of your personal uncomfort with a certain word, there's no policy against using "literal" when it is used properly. TheNuttyOne 16:21, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
Yes, that sentence is fine, but when you replace true with literal it sounds critical. As you stated yourself, interpretations of a word apply when it is relevant to the situation, and since clones, particularly clones as blatant as Dark Pit and generally seen as lazy and annoying, using literal in this context would have this effect. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:24, 7 May 2018 (EDT)

(reset indent) I, quite frankly, have no problem with the usage of the word "literal"; a "clone" in the fighting game series is used to refer to someone with a similar moveset as another character; Ken to Ryu, Fukua to Filia, Lucina to Marth. Dark Pit is the only moveset clone in Smash to also be a literal, physical clone of the character he's based on, as he was created as a clone of Pit in Kid Icarus Uprising via the Mirror of Truth. I fail to see the problem here. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 22:32, 7 May 2018 (EDT)

12 characters[edit]

There are 12 characters there. Note the number. The same as every character in SSB64. The direct also made it clear that every character not from that game would be unlockable. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png 22:35, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Ah, okay. I could have sworn that someone said Mac was a starter, but I went back and checked the direct just to be sure. Mea culpa. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 22:56, 13 June 2018 (EDT)


Regarding Luigi and Bowser Jr., I thought it was interesting that they are (currently) the only official family members of another fighter to also be playable. And regarding FE Roy, Koopaling Roy has it in the Koopalings Triva, I thought it could been mentioned on EF Roy's too. I also looked up the definition of "Triva" since you happen to say, "stretch the whole definition of 'trivia' way too much. Apparently the definition says " It is "information of little importance or value". At least the edits were on their general character pages and not their fighter pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:12, 27 June 2018‎ (EDT)

First off, please remember to sign your comments (four tildes at the end, like this: ~~~~)
Second, I'm glad you agree with me on some of the trivia points. I admittedly have a pretty strict definition for what qualifies as good trivia, but as for determining what is interesting or not, if it doesn't make me go, "Wow, really?" then it's probably not very interesting. Now, of course, that subjective qualification is unhelpful for you, and what is truly considered to be interesting will ultimately be determined by the collective opinion of the wiki's members. But as the policy says, you should avoid anything that is not very original or is likely to be common knowledge. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 11:48, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Hello again. I'll admit that Duck Hunt and ROB probably did not need the info, but I think Ivysaur should have it. Ivysaur is the first quadrupedal (walks on four legs) fighter. Usually from what I've see from interviews or sourced material on other Wikis, developers say making a quadrupedal fighter can be more difficult for game play in comparison to a bipedal (walks on two legs) fighter like a human or a quadrupedal enemy. Yes, one could argue that it is irrelevant information since both Pikachu and Pichu can walk on all four, but they are considered bipedal since they can switch between. But quadrupeds can't switch between, and handstands don't count towards being bipedal. I also made sure to check the other fighters from 64, Melee, and Brawl before I made the change about Ivysaur. Also, both Red XIII from Final Fantasy VII and Repede from Tales of Vesperia had difficultly implementing the quadrupedal characters whether it was game play or story wise. Also on their wikis, they mention that they are the first "quadrupedal" or "four-legged" playable character of their series. That said, are you sure it is too irrelevant to be added? I do respect your opinion since you know more when it comes to editing the Smash Wiki. (talkcontribs) 06:09, 13 July 2018‎ (EDT)

You’ve basically answered your own question by admitting that Duck Hunt and ROB don’t need the info, as Ivysaur’s reason is exactly the same. The trivia policy even cites a very similar example: “despite moving like a human, Fox has a tail.” At the very least, your trivia points state the obvious and are also uninteresting. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:22, 13 July 2018 (EDT)
What I had meant was that I should have only edited Ivysaur's page since it was about Ivysaur being the "first" quadruped. I had even double checked the very example you stated. (Yes Fox has a tail, but it is not like he was the first. 3 characters had tails in the first game.) I could also say that Rosalina is the first character to "not touch the ground" or "float unless knocked out or paralyzed", but I feel that may be too specific. I thought it should had been mentioned since quadruped fighters do not that common, usually only having one on the roster. And I was surprised I had not realized it before. Regardless, if you still feel like it's "obvious" and "uninteresting", I'll stop trying to convince you to add it. (talkcontribs) 10:26pm, 16 July 2018‎ (EDT)

Another troller[edit]

And once again, a troller is among us by the address of, who just “updated” the Waluigi page. SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 12:25, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Nevermind, Miles Of SmashWiki fixed it, but I’d definitely talk to the guy about his “edit”. SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 12:27, 27 June 2018 (EDT)
No, I definitely would not. I spoke to the other bloke because there was a hint of good faith in their actions, as shown in their talk page post, but for edits like your IP's where the edits are so transparently bad faith, they should not be given any more attention than a simple reversion. I know this kinda seems like the same situation as before, but determining what is bad faith or not is an imperfect science. It can be tricky. Thanks for asking me about it though, I'm always happy to help. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:56, 27 June 2018 (EDT)

Voting on the wiki[edit]

Is there a link on the wiki where I can read the rules of voting on a subject? I'm only asking because of Ultimate's alternate costume edit issues, and I'm really getting tired of seeing the unconstructive edits being done to it. SSB4DarkSonicHead.pngSpeed48 23:50, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

There are no specific rules. My advice is to take a look at SW:CONSENSUS for tips on creating proposals and how to vote. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 01:04, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
Thing is, we can have a consensus and all, but that doesn't mean anything for things like protecting pages if an admin doesn't log in to do it. VoqéoT 02:58, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

This edit[edit]

How is it false? The music that plays on the Fountain of Dreams stage in Super Smash Bros. Melee is an "orchestrated version" of the music that plays in the Gourmet Race sub-game from Kirby Super Star. It can be labeled as such, and not just words with the word "arrangement", such as "orchestral arrangement" or "orchestral rearrangement". For example, it can be referred to as "orchestration", "orchestrated version", or "orchestral remix". Torey (talk) 22:46, 20 July 2018 (EDT) Torey (talk) 22:46, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm supposed to be away right now, I only jumped on as my IP to answer this. Orchestrated version isn't what I had a problem with, although I did deem it to be an unnecessary wording change. I did some research and found that the alternate name was not Dream SpringING as you claim, and that's the 'false info'. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:12, 20 July 2018 (EDT)


(I undid it) It was originally on Squirtle's page, and I thought it could have gone on Pichu's since it applied to Pichu as well. If not part of it. I was not the one who originally added it to Squirtle's page, but if the info itself is considered "too specific", shouldn't it also be removed from Squirtle's page as well then? (talkcontribs) 03:18am, 6 August 2018‎ (EDT)

It probably should. I'll go take a look when I can. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 04:04, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
Since you only got rid of the second part of the trivia on Squrtile's page, and it also applies to Pichu, could the information also be added to Pichu's page? (talkcontribs) 01:27pm, 6 August 2018‎ (EDT)
Short answer is yes, but I'm still on the fence about what was left behind. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:28, 6 August 2018 (EDT)
Okay then, I'll add it to Pichu's page, and you can delete it from both Pichu and Squirtle's pages if you change your mind later. (talkcontribs) 09:24, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Japanese Names[edit]

I'm not sure I understand by "notable trivia surrounding them"? Why does Alolan Vulpix's Icy Wind get its Jpanaese name, but not regular Vulpix's Fire Spin for example? I thought the Japanese name was included only if it differed from the English name? Could you please elaborate by "notable trivia" so I can understand this situation better? (talkcontribs) 08:40pm, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

There are no examples on the wiki, but anything notable in this case would constitute explaining some sort of trivia around the use of a Pokémon, such as why it does what it does, or something like that. It’s tricky to explain. But on that note, that Icy Wind name shouldn’t be there - I’ll go take it away in a moment. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:43, 11 August 2018 (EDT)


Why is it incorrect to refer characters as ambidextrous just because they have a mirrored stance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 21:47, 20 August 2018

First off, please remember to sign your comments (four tildes at the end, like this: ~~~~).
Second, it's trivia that is either irrelevant or simply not interesting enough to be notable. Yoshi has just one move that he used his left hand for, and switched to being 'ambidextrous' because of mirrored stances. I've actually tackled someone else over this exact issue before, but basically, it's wrong to declare someone's handedness based on simple observation without an official source on the matter.
This brings me to the sole exception to this rule, and that is Link. For years, he has been famously left-handed, and Nintendo has, from time to time, acknowledged this in various ways, from subtle hints to saying it outright. That's why it was such a big deal when Breath of the Wild's Link was right-handed, which again, Nintendo acknowledged at various points - because it was by then such a well-known fact that Link was, and until that point had always been a lefty. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:58, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

ESRB Rating[edit]

Hi Vulpine! You probably don’t know me but anyway, on Aidan’s talk page, you claimed that the game is rated E10+, and the Ultimate page agrees with you. However, when checking here, here, or here, I find no evidence of this. I as much as I want to believe that it’s E10, it seems unlikely. Not only are Snake and Bayonetta in the base game, but they are adding Castlevania. While Simon and Richter are probably ok, the stage does not seem fit for an E10 game. I’m not saying you are explicitly wrong, I just want proof. 17:13, 23 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Here you go. Anything else? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:27, 23 August 2018 (EDT)


Is this another blacklisted name? Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? NiceGrand.jpeg 04:39, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

I was able to create it. *shrugs* Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 05:41, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
Yo, it still says Error for me, I can't edit that page... Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? NiceGrand.jpeg 06:11, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
Send your copy to me in a pastebin and I’ll add it for you. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 07:01, 16 September 2018 (EDT) Grand Dad.png GRAND DAD Fleenstones!? NiceGrand.jpeg 07:16, 16 September 2018 (EDT)
Ah, it seems that the tinyurl is causing the spam filter to freak out. I had to pull that out, it’s all good now. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 07:34, 16 September 2018 (EDT)


I'm kinda nervous on saying this, especially since you're a prominent member in this community, and that I'm still relatively new. But isn't your edit here technically going against the "Revert only once" rule? I may just need to learn the rules a bit better. SugarCookie420 (talk) 23:50, 20 September 2018 (EDT)

You are right. There's sometimes leeway given for first reversions by having a third or even fourth editor step in, but you are still technically correct. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 23:53, 20 September 2018 (EDT)