Talk:Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play

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From Talk:The Five Gods[edit]

Merge or otherwise...[edit]

The status of this page was opened up approximately one month ago. It was suggested that it be merged with Professional smasher. However, notable examples of smashers are included on the page already. Therefore, I open this page up to a discussion not only on merging, but also on deletion as well. It may be impractical for a true merge to take place, and this article will likely remain a stub for its duration of time on SmashWiki. Discuss. DarkFox01DF01Sig.pngwill go it alone from here. 14:20, 27 December 2014 (EST)

Late, but this is definitely a page that can stand on its own. "The five gods" is an extremely prominent term that is used often in Melee discussion, and this article can explain why these players are called the gods, how the term came to be, and the history of it all. There's enough material for a standalone article, such as John and tires don exits. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 09:10, 4 February 2015 (EST)

I agree. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Calvin and Hobbes 09:40, 4 February 2015 (EST)
Yeah, even as someone more on the periphery of the competitive scene I can see that this could be expanded enough to stand alone. Miles (talk) 10:50, 4 February 2015 (EST)
I don't support the merge either, mostly due to this reasoning also --LoS PPS KoRos (talk) 13:24, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

What is 4/5 gods[edit]

This needs some filler text to explain itself, or it needs removed, because looking at it, I have no idea what the section is supposed to be. SerpentKing (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

I assume the idea was to list tournaments where 4/5 of the "gods" were in attendance. Miles (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
Why? Also if this is allowed, it needs a better name. SerpentKing (talk) 20:20, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
Would just "4 out of 5 gods" work?--Dinodomain (talk) 20:26, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
No, it doesn't describe what the section is. SerpentKing (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
I do think the section is a bit unnecessary; that said, there's nothing explicitly wrong with a long section header so long as it's clear and there isn't an equally-useful but more concise option available. Miles (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2015 (EDT)
I second that this is unnecessary, especially considering the section with all 5 gods above it, which I have no problem with. SerpentKing (talk) 20:33, 11 September 2015 (EDT)

From Talk:Golden age[edit]

Merge[edit]

Support as long as the resulting page is renamed to something like "History of Competitive Melee". Otherwise, adding this page to The Five Gods would feel a bit arbitrary IMO. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 08:13, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

Weak Support. All I have to say is what is before this sentence. PikachuMS.png Pika, Wild Turkey Appeared! 09:38, 16 November 2015 (EST)
Bump, Support per Nyargle. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2015 (EST)
support per nyargle Nintendofan1653 (talk) 18:54, 5 December 2015 (EST)

I personally think a page about the History of Melee's competitive scene is nice. Having a very long history of 13 years and about three generations of Melee players (which consist of the Ken age, Dark age, and Rise as an Esport game age) I think we can merge this article and the Five Gods page together for the said history page. Dots (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Windows 22:56, 5 December 2015 (EST)

I originally suggested that this be merged into the glossary, but this sounds like a better idea. John John3637881 Signature.png PK SMAAAASH!! 14:09, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Conversations after the merge[edit]

Move[edit]

Ok so the idea with this one is to sorta define the way we name these 4 articles (one for each game, excluding PM). Consider that the name we currently have now does not translate well to the original SSB or Smash 4 (as calling it Smash 4 is a bit blech).

Here are the options:

Keep as is[edit]

  1. I don't see any current problems PoultrysigSSB4.pngPoultryPoultrysigSSBM.png(talk) the God-Slayer 20:14, 15 November 2016 (EST)

Move to "History of competitive Smash (SSBM)"[edit]

  1. I am going to go ahead and go with this one. To me it seems to be the most concise yet still sufficiently descriptive title. Serpent SKSig.png King 15:48, 15 November 2016 (EST)
  2. I'll support if we're making one for each game (or this is one of four sections in a "History of competitive Smash" page) oppose if not. Destructodon (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2016 (EST)
  3. Weak support if we are indeed making pages like this for the other games. Nyargleblargle.pngNyargleblargle (Contribs) 20:10, 15 November 2016 (EST)

Move to "Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play"[edit]

  1. Seems like the clearest and most encyclopedic version of the page title by my judgment. Miles (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2016 (EST)
  2. Professional title. Dots (talk) Mega Man X SNES sprite.png The Penguin 22:43, 15 November 2016 (EST)
  3. This. The other two options have the problem of having the word "Smash" in the title twice. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Chilled 07:01, 16 November 2016 (EST)
  4. I'm going to have to support this one because this is what the Wikipedia article would be titled. When it comes to Smash 4 are we just going to write "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS in competitive gameplay" and devote maybe a paragraph to the 3DS game? John John3637881 Signature.png PK SMAAAASH!! 09:18, 16 November 2016 (EST)
  5. Sounds the most professional among all the proposals, current title included. -Menshay (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2016 (EST)

Move to "Competitive Smash (SSBM)"[edit]

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Comments[edit]

Here's a thought, if we do call it "Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play", do we call SSB4's "Super Smash Bros. 4 in competitive play" or "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U in competitive play" (since the 3DS doesn't have a scene)? Serpent SKSig.png King 18:00, 16 November 2016 (EST)

I'd honestly say "Super Smash Bros. 4". As unlikely as it is, we should keep in mind the possibility that 3DS could have a mass revival, and even if it never does, there are still a few dedicated 3DS tournaments every now and then. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 18:03, 16 November 2016 (EST)