Talk:Halberd

From SmashWiki, the Super Smash Bros. wiki

Name change?[edit]

The E for All demo (and the JumpFesta and Whobby demos, if I'm not mistaken) refer to this stage as simply Halberd instead of Battleship Halberd. Usually I would say "Dojo is always right" but there seems to be some contradiction there as well. If you go to the "First songs in My Music" update, and look at the list of starting stages, it's just listed as Halberd, and not Battleship Halberd. Just thought I'd bring this up incase anyone wants to be a daredevil and move the page. Thou Hath No Honor 20:20, February 27, 2008 (EST)

Edit: Since the game is now released in English, it is easily observable that the stage is indeed just Halberd. I'm going to move the page if no one minds. Thou Hath No Honor 03:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this a bad line?[edit]

It's interesting to note that this is one of the only locations in The Subspace Emissary that is also a playable stage in multiplayer mode.

Unless there are more locations that also have this you can't say "one of the", plus it contradicts "only" because that's like saying you take 1/1 part of something. And what this line is trying to say is that this is the only location in the SSE that is also a playable stage, right? so wouldn't a better line be:

It's interesting to note that this is the only location in The Subspace Emissary that is also a playable stage in multiplayer mode.

Or if it isn't the only one:

It's interesting to note that this is one of the few locations in The Subspace Emissary that is also a playable stage in multiplayer mode.

Also, why not put all this in a seperate Trivia section with bullets. This way you can avoid the repeated "It's worth noting that...", "It's also interesting to note...". Just make it statements, facts, like this:
This is the only location in The Subspace Emissary that is also a playable stage in multiplayer mode.
82.93.9.196 16:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Done but next time you can edit it yourself, that's why anyone can edit around here just in case we miss something dealing with our loving vandal friends or arguing about tiers. Carbonkirby (talk) 16:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but...[edit]

Which one is newer, brawl or Kirby superstar Ultra? (°(..)°)Lucas-IV- PigsLucas alive.PNG 10:44, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Brawl came out before Superstar Ultra. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 11:12, 12 September 2011 (EDT)


Re: When is the Skyworld stage used in the SSE?[edit]

Because I don't want to take the chance of starting an edit war, I'll respond on the talk page.

To answer the question, never. I put down Skyworld on the article because is states that the Halberd is the only location to also be a stage that appears in the SSE. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Skyworld seems to fit under the pretext of "Location in the SSE that is also a stage in versus mode". It's also debatable that the Halberd stage never appears in the SSE, either, because the combo cannon is unused and the actual "stage" part doesn't fly around the Halberd, further strengthening my point.. However, as I said before, please correct me if I'm wrong. Squishyfrog Chat 11:32, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

OK, I would like to state that Duon's battle location is likely the same stage as the Halberd, only with the stage hazzards turned off and being frozen in that particular state. However, if just referring to location, then yes, both Halberd and Skyworld should be mentioned. Mr. Anon (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
As I'm aware, the trivia is referring to a stage, and not a "location". For where you fight Duon, it's pretty much clear it's a modified version of the bridge portion of the Halberd stage. Alas, it can be argued that being a modified version makes the trivia about it non trivia worthy. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:26, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

IP 76, stop adding that Skyworld appears in the SSE. You can argue the trivia about Halberd doesn't belong, but the stage called Skyworld in SSE is a completely different stage. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 19:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Split[edit]

We should split this as Halberd and Halberd (SSE). Boo Buddy MeganiumMS.png 12:14, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

Why? We already have all the articles for the Halberd stages in SSE, just like how we have Skyworld and Skyworld (SSE). Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:16, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

I meant that we should put the SSE info somewhere else. Boo Buddy MeganiumMS.png 12:22, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

Well, I don't think it would fit on one of the SSE stage pages, and there isn't enough content to warrant a new page. I think it's fine how it is, though we can wait to see what other people think. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:26, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

I think it's fine as is. The SSE content is clearly separate on the page to avoid confusion, with links to the actual SSE levels' pages. There's no need to split. Miles (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

What Miles said. RoyboyX Talk 13:04, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

Every stage has its own article about the stage itself, and every character has its own article about its appearance in Brawl, why should this stage not do the same to fit the proper formatting? The stage info should be renamed Halberd (stage), and the non-stage info should be renamed Battleship Halberd, Halberd, or Halberd (SSE). Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:28, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

See what Miles said. I don't see how the SSE information being on this page could cause any confusion, and it has a disambiguation (linking to the three Halberd SSE stages). Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 13:39, 20 October 2013 (EDT)
I never said anything about renaming this because it's confusing. It's to separate the non-stage content from the stage content. The stages are distinct and every stage should have information concerning only that stage. Each individual stage such as Battleship Halberd Bridge would (and already does) have their own article. The other stuff on the page should be moved to one of the titles above and/or the stage content should be moved to Halberd (stage). Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:20, 20 October 2013 (EDT)
Dunno what you're referring to. If you're saying the stages are distinct, yes they are, that's why the Halberd SSE stages have separate articles. The information about the Halberd's appearance in SSE on this page isn't a stage, it's a sort of disambiguation. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 14:31, 20 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm not talking about the stages of the SSE. I'm talking about how the multiplayer stage information on its own article, and the information about the Combo Cannon's trophy, Role in The Subspace Emissary, and the rest of the stuff should be on its own article. It's not a disambiguation either, it's relevant information that should be separate from multiplayer stage stuff. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:09, 21 October 2013 (EDT)

Yep See Great Fox. Split page should be "Battleship Halberd". Toomai Glittershine ??? The Altruistic 19:17, 20 October 2013 (EDT)

What, I can't even find a page with the Great Fox's SSE information... Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 11:11, 21 October 2013 (EDT)

My mistake. We should keep the article as it is. This is not confusing at all. Boo Buddy MeganiumMS.png 14:22, 21 October 2013 (EDT)

Having SSE information on the Halberd page doesn't really confuse or disorganize anything so leave it as is in my opinion. Dots MewtwoMS.png The Spy 18:47, 21 October 2013 (EDT)