Talk:Crush

From SmashWiki, the Super Smash Bros. wiki

Wait a minute[edit]

I clearly saw Villager get crushed by Midgar forming back together in the presentation. Is that not a crushing effect, or...? AidanzapunkChristmasSig.pngAidan, the Jolly Space WarriorAidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png 22:54, 15 December 2015 (EST)

I'd count it. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 22:54, 15 December 2015 (EST)
No, but see, here's the thing: in Brawl, Pirate Ship had a crushing effect, but in Wii U, it doesn't. So either crushing doesn't exist altogether and the stage uses the hitbox from something like the Orne, or crushing exists solely on Midgar. AidanzapunkChristmasSig.pngAidan, the Jolly Space WarriorAidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png 22:57, 15 December 2015 (EST)
Hmm...I'd check myself, but A: I don't have Cloud and won't be able to get him until after Christmas, and B: I don't know how to hack the game so. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2015 (EST)

Definitely counts; a rewrite to that effect should be implemented. Miles (talk) 23:07, 15 December 2015 (EST)

I'll add a cleanup tag for it, as I don't have the time to do it right now. Disaster Flare Disaster Flare signature image.png (talk) 23:08, 15 December 2015 (EST)

Move proposal[edit]

Strong oppose. This is again the name of a feature and renaming the article is not only incredibly moot, but probably also pointless as well. At this rate, I'll be able to copy and paste these talk page posts. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 18:51, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Strong oppose per BV. Don't even see why this would be an issue. Aidan, the Rurouni 18:59, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Never dismiss anything as being "pointless" or "not an issue" without other valid reasons, seemingly minor things should not be ignored if they would make the wiki better. The very first line of the article refers to the topic as "crushing" anyways, which seems to suggest that "Crushing" would be a better title for the article. In addition, every article referring to an action is written in the "-ing" form: Camping instead of Camp, Turtling instead of Turtle, Edgeguarding instead of Edgeguard. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:19, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Oppose. Why even... St. Reggie, Leprachaun 23:44, 27 February 2018 (EST)

Oppose-leaning neutral. It’s really kind of useless to even make a big deal out of changing the name of an article to a redirect right to it. Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 21:06, 8 March 2018 (EST)

"There's already a redirect" is not a valid reason. If an article would have a better title, it should be moved, regardless if the title already existed as a redirect. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:29, 8 March 2018 (EST)

[1] The MoS states that titles should be nouns opposed to verbs. According to this dictionary definition, the word "crush" as a noun has two definitions: an infatuation for someone else, or a mob of people. The word "Crush" here applies to neither of these definitions as a noun. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:59, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Will you please stop, Ac2k? Nobody cares, and nobody wants to move it. At this point the move tags are a nuisance. St. Reggie, the Iron Leprachaun Warrior 04:21, 11 March 2018 (EDT)
Calm yourself, Iron. This is not adding to the discussion and will only serve to create conflict. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 04:37, 11 March 2018 (EDT)
Sorry. St. Reggie, the Iron Leprachaun Warrior 04:51, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Gonna now push to close this proposal as failed if nobody has anything else to say. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 20:42, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Care to respond to the dictionary example that I linked instead of doing the same thing you've been doing countless times already? Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:56, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
Care to stop gravedigging discussions that have been closed or edit warring? Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:02, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
That's a blatant ad hominem, stop calling this "gravedigging" when this discussion was never a closed discussion in the first place. You were the one who posted who made the original push to close it as failed, so if you want to go by that logic, you were the one who was "gravedigging" it in the first place. And what I did on the other page has absolutely nothing to do with this current discussion.
If you want to close the discussion, why not respond to what I said about how article titles should be nouns according to the MoS, or how the word "Crush" being used here does not fit any of the dictionary definitions for the word "crush" as a noun, or how the entire article uses the word "Crushing" instead of "Crush"? If you're right, I'll back down/agree with you, and you'll actually have a claim to being right, rather than "I'm going to push for my way while simultaneously refusing to discuss it at the same time." Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:15, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

For the record, I closed discussion based on the fact that this discussion was 4-1 favor to oppose, not because BV told me to. Speaking in terms of the discussion, I'd like to put forward the idea that "actions performed by X" should be treated different from "actions made to x". Crush is obviously the latter, camping, turtling, and edgeguarding are obviously the former... buuut here even we have inconsistencies grab, air dodge, jump, walk and so on. Because of this, instead of doing this by article, we should be discussing what standard should be set here, or why these inconsistencies should exist. I believe there was a discussion at some point where Toomai made a case about how these need to be done in a case by case basis, but I don't remember where that discussion is or what the full argument was. Serpent SKSig.png King 14:21, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

I understand the reasons for closing the discussion, I just disapprove of BV's active calls to close the discussion while refusing to discuss the issue at all. For the examples you linked, the "walk" article even uses the word "walking" in the first sentence, which in my opinion reflects pretty well on what the article should be called. Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:52, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
I know there was a discussion somewhere about these kinds of moves and I also know that a bunch of "-ings" were sliced off the titles at one point. Serpent SKSig.png King 16:25, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Pirate Ship crush[edit]

Has anyone actually ever seen a crush happen on Pirate Ship in Brawl? I never have, and it would actually surprise me if a crush was present in VS mode when it was clearly introduced as a platforming mechanic for SSE. Per the tag on this article, we're in need of a GIF/video of it, suggesting no one has ever recorded it happening. I'm wondering if it's a real thing. SuperFalconBros (talk) 10:05, 30 October 2018 (EDT)

Pirate Ship crush update[edit]

Any luck so far on replicating the Pirate Ship crush? Just tried it myself for like half an hour and couldn't replicate it. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 14:32, July 30, 2019 (EDT)

Apologies on the cut short edit summary, I accidentally hit "Go" on my phone before I was done typing it. This is what I meant to say:

"After getting no success in over 50 tries (done with Dolphin savestates), and with no video evidence, I've concluded that this crush does not exist, so I'll be removing all mentions of it."

Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 15:04, July 30, 2019 (EDT)