Forum:New Tier List
Weegee and DK moved up to middle. I always knew they had potential for it. And Captain Falcon is finally on high tier. And Mewtwo is not the worst anymore. Hurray! I was surprised how the Ice Climbers made it to high. Xeze (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
So lemme get this straight, a new forum section was added to the forums, just so these simple facts could be posted >:| ...... AAAAWESSOOOOME :D!!! Now I have even MORE places to post glitches, although idk if ALL of the glitches are ALREADY posted :(..... great, I just made a fool of myself... but NICE NEWS THOUGH :DDDDDD!!! YAY MARTH!!!TheLegendTamer (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Two questions come to mind:
Jiggs has the only WoP in melee, save the FoP of kirby. Peach is in the mid-tier in Brawl, how do you think she fares in melee, she has changed very little since melee and had less rivals in melee. TheLegendTamer (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
GalaxiaD, This is melee, not brawl. Peach can chaingrab space animals to a very high percentage and her down smash is arguably the most feared of ALL smashes because of it's priority, duration, knockback, and damaging potential, and guess what happens when you crouch cancel against her down smash? You get at least 70% damage right off the bat. Also her turnips leads great mindgames. I don't know what you have against Peach but Peach better than you think. Don't believe me? Go on youtube and check fantastic Peach players like Wife.
For Jiggs, Rest almost always K.O. Space Animal Slayer is just ridiculous, has WoP, has crazy edgeguarding potential, and has a lot priority.
Next time GalaxiaD, Know the characters potential before talking trash about them, and if you don't like the tier list, GO TO SWF AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TIER LIST THERE. Chaos F15 (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, just complaining on the forums is the wrong way to go about it. If you really think that a character is too low, go win some tourneys with him/her. If you think s/he is too high, keep beating him/her in tournaments. Results get noticed much more than complaints. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow, I'm really surprised that Marth is #2 now, that makes me happy. I'm also happy that Pichu is now at the bottom of the tier list, although I didn't expect Mewtwo to move two spots up. I expected him to be 2nd to last. XD -ACDCGAMER (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Doc 4 GOD TIER!!!
I believe that Dr. Mario should be God Tier because he can pwn Foxes just like Marth. Dr. Mario also has good chain throws and combo abilitys. Dr. Mario is also very strong with the fist and he even has a good defense move (the super sheet). Now I know that he probably has the worst recovery but Marth has pretty bad horizontal recovery and he can still be good and also that's Dr. Mario's only weak spot. Doc King (The King of Docs)
I think there should be a new tier list because I've discovered a few things like the Boost Grab and some new combos that could work well in tourney play. Plus I just don't like the list. I mean come on Peach above Falcon, that's like comparing Chuck Norris with Brittney Spears in Marshall arts and plus more legends play as Falcon like Isai and Silentspectre and I see Falcon as a terrific character that can do things and Peach is bacically a Down Smash spammer. Plus, Falcon has a big roll in the Wombo Combo, dat is auto win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doc King (talk) 17:02, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
I completely disagree with this. Fox and Falco suck. They are too light. Bowser and Kirby should be WAY higher. Same with Yoshi. And Pikachu should be higher. I rock with him/her/it!!! And Peach is great. Maybe the best. And yeah Jigglypuff should be middle or low tier. Mintstarr (Talk 15:42, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Why Peach and Jiggs didn't move down
Well, Jiggs does have good air speed and a great edgeguarding game, but her ground game is horrible. Weak attacks (except for Rest), slow dash speed, very short range, and her floatiness make her easy to kill at low percentages. Unless you can make the battle purely air-based, you're gonna get mauled on the ground (unless you can grab a Spacie). And as for Peach, her only kill moves are F-Air and F-Throw. D-Smash can rack up a lot of damage and has good range and priority, but I've never seen it kill. And, much like Jiggs, she has a great air game but a bad ground game. She runs slow, has more weak attacks than strong ones, and despite having a great horizontal recovery, you're screwed if you get spiked. That's my reasoning for deeming them bad. - GalaxiaD (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I think thatt you're just biased about those particular characters. I've noticed in all your tier list, they are positioned at the bottom of each list. Considering you have never been in a tournament, it makes no sense for you to have ANY opinion on tiers since that is what a tier list is based on. You're pathetic. - Anon.
Excuse me? I believe I'm entitled to my opinion, troll. We live in a country called "America", where we're free to say what we feel. IMO, I believe Jiggs and Peach are not that good. No list of tourney placings is going to sway my view on that. From what I've experienced and seen, Peach and Jiggs seem rather weak. If you think differently, fine, but it gives you no right to personally attack me. Do it again, and I'll report you to an admin. Got it, chief? - GalaxiaD Talk 23:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe my "attack" was personal and for that matter, even an attack. It makes no sense how tournament rankings don't affect your compliation of a tier list. Hello, tournament rankings are the epitome of a tier list. If you don't incorporate them in your list, then don't call it a tier list. Call it a popularity contest or anything BUT a tier list. Peach has many different ways to counter a spike. Myself and many peach mainers easily counter a spike with her toad counter followed by a secondary jump and a each bomber; Up B. AS far as weak attacks go, being able to auto float and use 15%+ dmg arials on the ground is FAR from weak. Floating is what makes peach a formidable opponent. NO one comes as close as peach when it comes to edge guarding. Her turnips also allow for GREAT lead-ins and the chances of pulling a stichface turnip or various items increase her versatility. I have participated in tourneys in San Diego with a first place finish and often second place as well. I wouldn't be able to if peach was the "lousy character" You made her out to be. I'd be GLAD to play you online with no hesitation. Try looking at some great peach players such as wife, Xif, and Michael. Or even the infamous crouching peach and hidden stichface combo video on youtube. -Anon
Yes, I know there are good Peach players. I've seen the vids. But there are also good Bowser players, and he's bottom tier. It's possible to be good with a character that's bad. Why tourney rankings not swaying me confuses you, I may never know, but I've never trusted the tourney rankings. Just something personal, I guess. But hey, that's just me. If you wanna trust the tourney rankings, knock yourself out. And as far as the "attack" goes, it IS an attack. You called me pathetic, which is an insult. From now on, don't criticize my opinions and we won't have any problems. And as far as brawling goes, just name the time and place, pal. All I need is your FC. - GalaxiaD Talk 05:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
We are all pretty sure that jiggs moved up just because of mango (and king, I'd say). I honestly think that peach should have moved down, mainly because every other character's metagame was improving while people like cort were using space animals and marth. Also, wife and vidjo don't play smash anymore (at least to my knowledge). Peach didn't get worst, everone else just got better. Peach should be bottom of middle tier. Also, just because peach counters falco (and in a way fox) doesn't mean she can be moved up. I've heard that reasoning from some people on SWF, but doc can 0-50 u-throw spacies, that doesn't mean they should be better. And y.link should be high tier. =) --God! on SWF
Peach and jiggz are very overrated. I think they should be replaced with Doc and Mewtwo because they are better with combos and even power (except foe jiggz rest). Peach and jiggz for bottom tier!
"Last Tier List?"
With the way Brawl is going, I can't really see this being the last one. But right... Mewtwo is no longer the worst, Marth is at a tie for 1st, (At least that's what I choose to believe :P) Falco dropped two places... hmmm... everything else seems to be right... From Shadowball3. 1:15 P.M. November 1st.
God Smash Back Room, you put the OMG in OMG! YOU SUCK, MY LITTLE BROTHER LOVES KIRBY & HE'S SECOND TO THE BOTTOM NOW! FREAK YOU!
i wish they would keep making tiers for all games some characters may end up higher like the most fun character in my opinion though some are still funny compared to him how come they did'nt care about his recovery and also he does'nt have the strongest up throw ness has a stronger up throw unfortionatly i can't play melee or brawl i don't have the original and i don't have a gamecube and my wii won't read ANY disk. and why am i writing this this is completly off topic.
I thought they stopped making Melee Tier Lists. Abot the list... I can easily see Marth tied at Top, as well as Pichu on bottom, but one thing. Weegee should be higher! I used to be a Weegee mainer (in Melee and Brawl) so I know all about how his long slide can be used besides a insanely long wavedash. Weegee needs to be at least a little higher. - Luca3 (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Why do we even bother with these useless tiers? I like the spirit of competition, but these tiers ruin it. You know what me and a lot of other people would agree on? That tiers are for queers. No offense, but I just can't stand the thought of tiers anymore. Good day Lollion9 (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
tiers should not exist
tiers are the most retarded thing that i have ever heard of there is no such thing as some character being better than another it all has to do with how you play the game all a tier list is as and opinion there is no such thing as a real tier list opinion is not fact deal with it
Everyone knows though that they are opinion and mostly just for statistical reasons. If you can beat everybody with a crappy character then that is good but these are just for stats reasons. MOST characters can be utilized well. I use Captain Falcon but he isn't all that high on the melee tiers. I never played Brawl but he is on the bottom and that confuses me but then again I have never played Brawl.--BigCubby (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
First of all, let me direct you to this link which should address any factual or normative arguments you may have about tiers. Second of all, C. Falcon is VERY high on the Melee tier list, i.e. tied with J-puff for 6th. He is rock bottom on the Brawl tiers because SHFFLing is gone, thus taking out many of the things C. Falcon could do, his moves al have really low priority and don't do much damage, and the famed Knee of Justice has been nerfed beyond recognition. JSYK and have a good day.--Bek (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
while I personally dont mind the existence of tiers as much as I used to, one thing I do dislike is the creation of new tiers. this is only applying to brawl really, but this is a perfect example for the argument. Why are vSnake and Meta Knight ranked in their own seperate Tiers? to outsiders, it send the wrong message that they are so powerful tthat they broke through the top of the teir list and are practically gods. also the rumors about Meta Knight being banned in tournaments didn't help, either. why not have them ranked as other characters?
An answer to your your anonymous comment. Metaknight has better matchups than Snake. But, Snake has a lot of matchups really good as well compared to the lower tiers. The main difference is that Metaknight has 0 even matchups outside of Diddy on FD and maybe vs Snake. However, Snake has some disadvantaged matchups, such as vs Falco and vs King D3. Furthermore, Snake also has stages where he gets gimped rather easily, such as rainbow cruise and Frigate Orpheon. Metaknight has basically 0 bad stages, as Metaknight is that good on the ground. Snake doesn't have nearly as good an aerial momentum to allow him to kill as freely as MK. MK is the only character in brawl outside of ice climbers and certain odd matchups, that can 0 to death in brawl just due to his gimps, such as with his down air and n-air off the stage. If snake had a better recovery and an inescapable n-air, I would see them in the same tier. As long as Snake has a weakness unlike MK, their tiers will be separated --KoRo TeH BeAr 23:59, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious. when was the Cap/Jiggs tie broken? User:Fawfulmk-II August 31, 2009.
If I had to decide on the tie, I would go with Falcon for 6th place and jiggz for 7th because of his strong moves, fast speed, moonwalking, and of course, THE KNEE! Also more legends play him like isai and silentspectre. (220.127.116.11 20:45, May 17, 2010 (UTC)) aka Doc King
If he was on the tier list, he would be number one. Since he can't be KOed, all he needs to do is KO his opponent once and he wins the match. On most small stages such as Mute City, he's unstopable. In doubles matches he would do even better, as his opponents would be forced to stay on one side of the stage. All his moves can KO. Thoughts? 18.104.22.168 06:01, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fox #1? I think not!