King Dedede (PM)

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King Dedede
in Project M

King Dedede SSBB.jpg

Samurai Dedede PM.png


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Universe Kirby
Base game appearance Brawl
Moveset inspiration King Dedede (SSBB)
Alternate costume Shogun Dedede

King Dedede (known as simply Dedede in-game) is a playable character in the Brawl mod Project M. He has received speed and combo buffs though suffering from a removal of his chain-grabbing abilities.

King Dedede ranks 34th out of 41 on the official tier list, near the top of the D tier. This is a large drop from his position on the Brawl tier list, where he's ranked 12th out of 38.

Attributes[edit]

King Dedede is a character whose strengths lie in his offense. Every one of his attacks boasts speed, power, reach, or hitbox placement, giving him a powerful neutral and punish game. He also has great comboing ability, having combo starters such as his up throw and combo finishers such as his forward aerial. He also has superb camping abilities due to his aforementioned reach and hitbox placements, as well as his versatile Waddle Dee Toss. He also has a highly above average recovery thanks to his many jumps, the new airdodge physics, and his useful Super Dedede Jump. However, Dedede's biggest boon is his back aerial; despite it having less range than in Brawl, his higher air speed and the removal of hitstun canceling allow it to wall of pain better. It also maintains its minimal lag, long duration, power, and still has a favorable hitbox placement.

However, Dedede has numerous flaws, mainly in terms of defense. He is a very large target with slow mobility, making it easy to camp him out. He also has merely above average vertical endurance despite being a super heavyweight due to his average gravity and slightly above average falling speed. He also suffers from his recovery being somewhat predictable due to it mainly being linear. Dedede is also very easy to combo due to his aforementioned weight and size, as well as his gravity only being slightly lower than his falling speed.

Dedede overall fares worse in PM than Brawl as a result of the flaws created in the transition, as well as the significantly harsher environment which is no longer subject to his chainthrows.

Changes from Brawl to PM[edit]

King Dedede gained both buffs and nerfs from Brawl to PM. The buffs made him better offensively, but worse defensively, almost turning him into a glass cannon. Despite having been slightly buffed overall, he is considered to be worse relative to the cast due to the loss of his chain throw and many characters gaining new options to outclass his own.

Attributes[edit]

  • Buff King Dedede's hurtboxes are smaller.
  • Buff King Dedede has significantly faster air speed (0.658 → 0.9), no longer being the slowest, significantly improving his midair approach and recovery combined with Super Dedede Jump's added versatility.
  • Change King Dedede's traction is higher (0.0484 → 0.07).
  • Nerf Number of midair jumps reduced (4 → 3), somewhat worsening his recovery, making it more difficult to land safely, and enforcing more use of Super Dedede Jump.
  • Change King Dedede falls much faster (1.95 → 2.25), however, Dedede falls much slower relative to the rest of the cast than in Brawl, going from the fastest to the 10th fastest fall speed. This nerfs his vertical endurance and his ability to mix-up landings, but makes him less susceptible to combos relative to the cast than in Brawl, and gives him a much better SHFFL.
  • Change King Dedede's gravity is higher (0.0837 → 0.095).
  • Buff Spot dodge has a longer duration (frames 2-20 → 2-21).
  • Nerf Spot dodge has a new animation where Dedede now moves out of the Z axis as soon as his intangibility has worn off making his spot dodge much easier to punish.

Ground Attacks[edit]

  • Buff The first two hits of neutral attack have decreased start-up (first hit: frame 12 → 9, second hit: frame 11 → 9) with longer duration on the first hit (2 frames → 3), and significantly faster interruptibility frames on both hits (FAF 38 → 28 (hit 1), 28 → 25 (hit 2)). The first hit now has a hitbox which launches vertically (361° → 80°) and the second hit now has consistent knockback (20 (base), 50 (scaling) → 55/0) and its angle has been altered (85° → 90°) making it connect better.
  • Nerf Neutral attack's multi hits have smaller hitboxes.
  • Buff Forward tilt deals more damage (6%/4% → 12%/9%), making it much stronger despite it's decreased knockback scaling (80/100 → 70/80). It also deals more shield damage (0 → 9 (clean), 0 → 6 (late)), and has more reach (4.5u → 5.7u).
  • Change Forward tilt now sends opponents at a Sakurai angle (65° → 361°).
  • Buff Up tilt has less ending lag (FAF 40 → 34).
  • Nerf Up tilt now only grants intangibility to Dedede's head as opposed to his whole body. The universally increased falling speeds combined with the altered knockback formula also hinder its KO potential against most characters.
  • Nerf Down tilt has smaller hitboxes (6u → 4.92u (clean), 4u → 3.279983u (late)) and can no longer trip.
  • Buff Dash attack has a larger hitbox (5u → 6.9u), and now gives King Dedede heavy armor between frames 8-29, significantly improving its utility. It also sends opponents at a different angle (361° → 35°) now being a semi-spike.
  • Nerf Dash attack now has a weaker late hit which deals less damage (16%/14% → 10%).
  • Buff Forward smash has more range, and the tip meteor smashes characters who are holding onto ledges. The early sourspot also deals more damage (13% → 16%) and the late hit deals more damage (5% → 12%) and knockback (100 (base), 30 (scaling) → 40/70). The late hit can also now hit aerial opponents.
  • Nerf Forward smash has a shorter duration (frame 42-54 → 42-50).
  • Buff Up smash has much more range, less start-up with a longer duration (frame 20-24 → 17-23), much less ending lag (FAF 68 → 54), and both the sweetspot and the sourspot deal much more damage (14%/9% → 20%/17%), making it much stronger despite it's decreased knockback scaling (95/96 → 79/80).
  • Buff The front hit of down smash deals more damage (15% → 18%), and the move now consistently sends opponents behind Dedede (105°/80°/50° → 130°/125°/120°), allowing him to KO opponents easier despite the front hit having less knockback scaling (82 → 79). It also has less ending lag (FAF 53 → 47).

Aerial Attacks[edit]

  • Nerf Neutral aerial, forward aerial, and back aerial have more landing lag (neutral aerial: 15 frames → 22, forward aerial: 30 frames → 32, back aerial: 21 frames → 22), though this is heavily compensated by L-cancelling.
  • Buff Up aerial and down aerial have less landing lag (up aerial: 22 frames → 20, down aerial: 30 frames → 20).
  • Nerf Neutral aerial and forward aerial no longer auto-cancel in a short hop due to Dedede's higher gravity/falling speed as well as the latter auto-canceling later (frame 35 → 41).
  • Buff King Dedede's increased air speed and the changes to hitstun/falling speeds/air-dodging also makes forward aerial and back aerial much more effective at wall of pain combos.
  • Buff Neutral aerial has less ending lag (FAF 40 → 38).
  • Buff Neutral aerial sends opponents at a different angle (60° (clean)/80° (late) → 75°). When combined with the changes to the game's mechanics, this significantly improves its combo potential.
  • Buff Forward aerial has less start-up with a longer duration (frames 16-18 → 13-18) longer range, and higher knockback scaling (90 → 100).
  • Nerf Forward aerial has slightly increased ending lag (FAF 37 → 40).
  • Nerf Back aerial has less range (8.5u → 5.534983u (clean), 7u → 4.92 (late)). The late hit also has a shorter duration (frames 9-25 → 9-21) now matching its animation and the move can no longer cause tripping. Lastly, Dedede can no longer perform two back aerials in a short hop due to his lower short hop.
  • Buff Up aerial is now a single hit, which gives it increased reliability and juggling potential.
  • Nerf Up aerial deals less damage (2% (hits 1-7) 19% (hit 8) → 12% (clean)/9% (late)) with its knockback compensated (50 (base), 130 (scaling) → (4/30)/85) and has a slightly shorter duration (frame 10-25 → 10-24).
  • Buff Each hit of down aerial lasts one frame longer (frame 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27: 18 frames total → frame 9-10, 12-13, 15-16, 18-19, 21-22, 24-25, 27-28: 19 frames total). Down aerial also has less ending lag (FAF 48 → 38) and auto-cancels earlier (frame 44 → 34) now doing so in a short hop.
  • Nerf The final hit of down aerial deals less damage (5% → 3%) and knockback (50 (base), 140 (scaling) → 70/105), resulting in the move dealing 2% less damage if all hits connect (17% → 15%) and hindering its KO potential.
  • Change Down aerial SFX changed to match up aerial SFX.

Grabs and Throws[edit]

  • Buff Dash grab has more range.
  • Nerf Standing (frame 6 → 7) and pivot grab (frame 7 → 9) have more startup lag. Standing grab also has more ending lag (FAF 30 → 31) and pivot grab has less range.
  • Buff Forward throw deals more damage (12% → 14%) and more knockback (70 (base). 80 (scaling) → 80/75).
  • Buff Back throw has much higher knockback scaling (65 → 94) making it among the strongest throws in the game.
  • Nerf Back throw deals slightly less damage (10% → 9% (throw), 16% → 15% (total)).
  • Buff Up throw has less base knockback (70 → 60). When combined with the changes to the game's mechanics, this makes up throw a significantly better option to follow-up into moves, and can even be used to chaingrab fast-fallers.
  • Buff Down throw has less ending lag (FAF 42 → 36).
  • Nerf Down throw sends opponents at a higher angle (20° → 32°) and has altered knockback (0 (base), 80 (set), 100 (scaling) → 50/80/40) now putting every character into tumble. This removes Dedede's ability to chaingrab with it, making it act like how it does on lightweight characters in Brawl. As a result, it is a significantly inferior throw by comparison; no longer nullifying certain characters.

Special Moves[edit]

  • Buff King Dedede has significantly more momentum in the air when using Inhale, improving its utility.
  • Buff Waddle Dees can be thrown in 3 different angles with different strengths, and can now perform the "Waddle Dash" by repeatedly throwing and picking up a Waddle Dee or Waddle Doo, King Dedede moves forward at a very fast rate, significantly improving his mobility, recovery, and approach.
  • Buff Super Dedede Jump now has a hitbox during the rising portion, and canceling the move completely negates Dedede's momentum, giving the move more versatility for recovering and leaving him less vulnerable against edge-guarders.
  • Nerf Super Dedede Jump no longer has super armor, only having medium armor throughout the rising portion.
  • Buff Jet Hammer applies a momentum boost on swinging based on the level of charge. King Dedede also gains light armor while charging, and the move has drastically less start-up (frame 29 → 9) and ending lag (FAF 77 → 57) when uncharged. It also now semi-spikes (361° → 35°) which along with its altered (albeit overall decreased) knockback (uncharged: 20 (base), 100 (scaling) → 40/80, fully charged: 30/80 → 40/75) improves its edgeguarding potential. Aerial Jet Hammer also deals more damage (uncharged: 10% → 11%, fully charged: 28%/16% → 30%) and fully charged Jet Hammer now deals consistent damage (30%/20% → 30%) and it has a new (albeit extremely weak) late hit signinificantly lengthening its duration (frames 9-11 → 9-33).

Revisions[edit]

v2.1[edit]

  • Buff Dedede can grab the edge towards the end of his Up-B cancel flip.
  • Change Dedede's spot dodge animation was smoothed out.

v2.5b[edit]

  • Buff Dedede's dash attack hitboxes adjusted for better coverage.
  • Buff Dedede's up tilt belly hitboxes adjusted for better coverage.
  • Buff Dedede's forward smash has an added large ground bounce hitbox that only affects grounded opponents and is non-clankable.
  • Buff Dedede's Neutral air weak hitbox match the size of the strong hitboxes for better coverage.
  • Buff Dedede's Neutral air IASA fixed to occur slightly before the animation ends.
  • Buff Dedede's Forward air IASA fixed to occur slightly before the animation ends.
  • Buff Dedede's Side-B can toss waddles at more noticeable angles.
  • Buff Dedede's Side-B default throw speed decreased, and strong throw speed increased.
  • Buff Dedede's Up-B hitboxes adjusted for better coverage.
  • Buff Dedede's Up-B damage across all of its hitboxes increased significantly, and shield damage on landing hit greatly increased.
  • Buff Dedede's Up-B landing stars have more base knockback.
  • Buff Dedede's Down-B self-damage cap is 100% (down from 150%).

v2.6b[edit]

  • Buff Dash attack has medium armor which lasts through the strong hit.
  • Buff Up tilt's endlag is slightly faster.
  • Buff Down aerial has smaller gaps between each hit.
  • Buff Forward throw's damage has been increased slightly, knockback decreased slightly to compensate.
  • Buff Down throw can be interrupted earlier.
  • Buff Neutral-B has more mobility in the air than previously.
  • Buff Up-B has a hitbox at the beginning of Dedede's ascent.
  • Buff Up-B has medium armor during the same timeframe as the hitbox.
  • Nerf Turn grab range reduced slightly, and has a bit more startup to match other Turn Grabs.
  • Change Neutral aerial's 1st hit angle is slightly higher.

v3.0[edit]

  • Buff Forward smash's meteor hitbox now only hits grounded targets (Aerial-only Spike hitbox on hammer head now has proper priority).
  • Nerf Aerial Up-B no longer has medium armor. Grounded Up-B medium armor starts and ends much sooner.
  • Change Forward air's hitboxes were cleaned up and polished to match the animation better.

v3.5[edit]

  • Buff Stars produced when landing after Super Dedede Jump are slightly bigger.
  • Buff Wavedashing ability significantly improved.
  • Nerf Super Dedede Jump now depletes all jumps.
  • Change Dash attack now has a flash overlay to denote knockback armor and screen shakes on faceplant.
  • Change Super Dedede Jump now has a flash overlay at startup to denote knockback armor.
  • Bug fix Fixed the vertical positioning when charging Jet Hammer on the ground.
  • Bug fix Adjusted ledge jump animations to prevent warping.

Moveset[edit]

Up to date as of version 3.6.

Name Damage Description
Neutral attack 6% Hits his opponent with two quick swipes of his hammer, then sticks it out in front of him and spins it.
5%
2% (loop)
Forward tilt 12% (clean), 9% (late) Extends his hammer forward and spins it quickly.
Up tilt 12% Sets his hammer down and quickly jumps upwards while headbutting. Dedede's head has some intangibility frames while the hitboxes are out.
Down tilt 10% (clean), 6% (late) Does a sweeping kick low to the ground.
Dash attack 16% (clean body), 14% (clean head), 10% (late) Trips and face-plants forward. A powerful dash attack, capable of KOing most fighters at low percentages.
Forward smash 16% (early), 24% (clean), 12% (late), 5% (shockwave) Raises his hammer over his head and swings it at the ground in front of him. If the hammer comes into contact with a ledge that a character is grabbing, that character will be meteor smashed.
Up smash 20% (hammer), 17% (body) Pulls his hammer back then swings it vertically over his head.
Down smash 18% (front), 15% (back) Swings his hammer near the ground, performing a low spinning hammer attack.
Neutral aerial 12% (clean), 7% (late) Extends his arms and legs and attacks with his stomach. His limbs produce a second, weaker hitbox soon after.
Forward aerial 15% Pulls his hammer back slightly then swings it in front of him upwards.
Back aerial 13% (clean), 9% (late) Extends one foot backward. Has sex kick properties.
Up aerial 12% (clean), 9% (late) Spins his hammer above his head.
Down aerial 2% (hits 1-6), 3% (hit 7) Extends his hammer below him and spins it, dealing multiple hits.
Grab
Pummel 3% Lays his hammer down and headbutts the opponent.
Forward throw 6% (hit), 8% (throw) Hits opponent forward with his hammer.
Back throw 6% (hit), 9% (throw) Hits opponent with his hammer behind himself.
Up throw 4% (hit), 5% (throw) Throws his opponent above his head, then pushes them upwards.
Down throw 4% (hit), 4% (throw) Slams opponent on ground and sits on top of them.
Floor attack (front) 6% Gets up and kicks both sides.
Floor attack (back) 6% Gets up and kicks both sides.
Floor attack (trip) 5% Gets up and swings his hammer both sides of himself.
Edge attack (fast) 8% (foot), 6% (body) Pulls himself up slightly, then heaves himself onto the stage while kicking in front of him.
Edge attack (slow) 10% Pulls himself slowly onto the stage, then quickly swings his hammer over his head in front of him.
Neutral special Inhale 5% (release), 10% (spit), 9-18% (star) Inhales the opponent, and does damage upon spitting them out. Does collateral damage to anybody hit by the character being spit out, depending on that character's weight.
Side special Waddle Dee Toss 5% (Waddle Dee), 7% (Waddle Doo), 22% (Gordo) Pulls one of his minions out of his sleeve and throws them forward. Unlike in Brawl, the minion can be thrown in three different trajectories, much like Snake's hand grenades.
Up special Super Dedede Jump 6% (jump), 15% (fall), 16%/20% (landing/body), 5% (stars) Jumps extremely high and comes crashing down. Unlike Brawl, if the move is cancelled and he falls to the ground, he will get up instantly instead of fumbling around, making it safer to cancel the move.
Down special Jet Hammer 11% (uncharged), 30%/7% (fully charged/late) Raises his hammer above his head, and it opens up to create a jet of white flame. The longer the move is held, the more damage, knockback, and directional boost to Dedede occurs. However, Dedede starts taking damage if the move is held past maximum charge.
Final Smash Waddle Dee Army 2% (Waddle Dee), 8% (Waddle Doo), 15% (Gordo) Whistles, and then dances for ten seconds while Waddle Dees, Waddle Doos, and Gordos move about the stage. During these ten seconds, he is invincible.

In competitive play[edit]

Notable players[edit]

Alternate costumes[edit]

Dedede's alternate costumes remain unchanged from Brawl. He obtained a costume based on his appearance in the Samurai Kirby minigame.

King Dedede's alternate costumes in PM
KingDededeHeadSSBB.png KingDededeHeadPinkSSBB.png KingDededeHeadGreenSSBB.png KingDededeHeadPurpleSSBB.png KingDededeHeadBlueSSBB.png KingDededeHeadBrownSSBB.png
KingDededeHeadSamuraiPM.png KingDededeHeadSamuraiGreenPM.png KingDededeHeadSamuraiBluePM.png