User talk:Ultimate Toad/Archive 1

SW:AGF

Please be sure to assume good faith when dealing with unfavourable editing habits. A quick check could have revealed that the editor was in fact changing the page. Please be more careful in future. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 09:30, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

Alright I'll admit I rushed before realizing they were actually fixing the edit so I'll be more carful, sorry about that. SupαToαd64, the Best 09:40, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

That wasn't it bro

I am already autoconfirmed, I was using zackray page as a guideline for YMCAs and I accidentally screwed up big time. Sorry to edit it so many times but It was screwed up still every time. So i finally fixed it and I'm good now CR4VE (talk) 09:31, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

The best Smash memer

Basically it looks like someone thinks every playable character in Melee can dab. Look at look (most of) those screenshots. Note: He didn't even add Falco's spot dodge! 74.89.234.53 16:38, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

Stop. Enough of this, we have told you countless times that, aside from the Falco one, there's no point in adding dab references for anything else. CookiesCreme 16:39, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

Okay I'll stop. Let's keep working on other articles. 74.89.234.53 16:58, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

Alright I'm gonna be blunt with you now since our message is obviously not getting into your head: If we're going to reference memes it needs to be widespread in the Smash community, dabbing is obviously not widespread and is completely worthless to SmashWiki. If you're going to continue harassing users to add a reference to dabbing, stop. We don't care if you think dabbing is worth mentioning, we don't care if every character in Melee supposedly can dab, heck some of the characters' poses in the screenshots don't even remotely resemble dabbing. No matter how hard you try we're NOT referencing the dab aside from Falco. SupαToαd64, the Best 20:02, October 10, 2019 (EDT)

A quick warning

I know the IP is frustrating to deal with, but try to keep a cooler mind; your comments are borderline SW:NPA. CookiesCreme 23:47, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

Alright no problem.SupαToαd64, the Best

23:49, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

I was trying put it straight forward that we're not the place for that stuff but I went overboard. I'll try to be more careful. SupαToαd64, the Best 23:56, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

There's a template for that...

Hi SupaToad64! I saw on your userspace that you have written down your NIWA accounts. There is a template, if that makes it easier. The template is called Template:User NIWA, if you want to add it to your userspace. I just wanted to inform you, I thought it was a cool template😉 Hoodie the Wolf (The guy that sucks at Smash Bros) 15:37, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Got it! SupαToαd64, the Best 20:49, October 19, 2019 (EDT)

Unprotected image.

The Banjo-Kazooie image for Ultimate is unprotected, so please look at it. If someone doesn't protect it, people might vandalize this image. 74.89.234.53 17:07, November 1, 2019 (EDT)

Uh... I know I'm not Supa, but what do you want him to do? He isn't an admin, so he can't protect it. Also, it would be very unlikely for someone to vandalize an image (which would be uploading an unrelated image over it), as most vandals go for pages instead. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer Leave a message if needed 18:16, November 1, 2019 (EDT)

To Awesomelink, we generally protect icons just in case of vandalism.

To IP, you can contact any of the active admins here. CookiesCreme 18:19, November 1, 2019 (EDT)

I'm not an admin here so I can't protect it. Your best bet is probably User:Aidanzapunk since he seems to be the most active here. SupαToαd64, the Best 21:25, November 1, 2019 (EDT)

Regarding my edits to Ness (SSBU)

Your note that "previous wording was better" is rude and unsubstantiated. The irony is that I am a professional editor. I literally edit documents for a living. I made those revisions because the writing was rather sloppy and unorganized, and there were several inconsistencies. For example, the word "edgeguarding" was at times hyphenated and at other times not hyphenated, and the possessive "Ness" was sometimes written as "Ness's" and other times as "Ness'"

Moreover, my edits included significant details that are not present in the prior version. I noted that Ness' PSI magnet, when used for double-jump cancelling, gives Ness a unique aerial burst option, and I rephrased the initial paragraph under "Attributes" to give a better overview of Ness' strengths, weaknesses, and optimal playstyle, as opposed to just listing his attributes.

I also cleaned up certain sections to make them much more direct and concise. Note the passages on Ness' vulnerability to juggling and the descriptions of his up and down smashes.

If you would like to offer a detailed explanation of why the previous version was "better," I am open to having that conversation, but I put considerable thought into those edits, and I do not appreciate seeing them undone for seemingly no reason.

- J-Off —Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.15.155.250 (talk • contribs) 20:51 2019, December 28

If I came off as rude then I apoligize, but first you didn't mention in the edit summary why you made the revert. As I had mentioned: reverting another user's revert is against the wiki rules. While you added information on how his floatiness and lack of landing options make him vulnerable to juggling, you also removed the fact on how the removal of multiple air dodges leaves him vulnerable to juggling to characters with fast aerials. You also removed how PSI magnet can set up a smash attack after a jab lock situation. Furthermore this is a wiki that anyone can edit. There are edits I made that I put effort into that were removed. This wiki doesn't belong to anyone as it is a community site, even if you don't appreciate your edits being undone, it's going to happen in some way or another, that's how wikis are. Also to sign your comments use four tildes (~~~~) SupαToαd64 00:44, December 29, 2019 (EST)

Wait

There's a way to make the templates, but from what SK and Alex said on Discord what we are doing is not the way right now. CookiesCreme 20:17, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Alright then how should it be done? SupαToαd64 20:18, January 3, 2020 (EST)

SK's crafting up an example right now. CookiesCreme 20:20, January 3, 2020 (EST)

OK I'll check back once it's done. SupαToαd64 20:22, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Noob Help

First off, I totally agree with you that Toad should be in Smash (He's on my list right up there with King Boo and B. W. Dee.) I have been working on a fanfiction based on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and I was wondering if it might be published on the wiki alongside something like the Smash Arena. I have no idea if someone has asked this before, or even if it will be liked. I apologize if this isn’t the place for this, also. I was hoping you could point me to someone who could give me info on this. I chose you because, well, you seemed to handle that coconut2 guy well. Magolor04726 (talk) 23:02, January 22, 2020 (EST)Magolor04726

Also, I might not be able to respond if you say something on my talk page. Magolor04726 (talk) 23:05, January 22, 2020 (EST)Magolor04726

Or maybe you could give me info, if you know anything. If I can't put it here, I'll probably see if the mariowiki Shroom will take it. And last thing, very sorry for rambling and adding this in various messages. I am very new to this. Magolor04726 (talk) 23:12, January 22, 2020 (EST)Magolor04726

Firstly, questions like these are meant to be posted on the Help desk. Consider posting any general questions you may have there in the future.

To answer your question, SmashWiki does not have the infrastructure necessary to publish/host user content on the level that MarioWiki's The Shroom does, neither have we deemed it necessary. Your only option is to create a userpage for the sake of hosting your project (for this, you'll need to be at least autoconfirmed).

Even then, this is not ideal, since factors such as the SmashWiki Status System may impose unwanted limits to your project's workflow. If you must absolutely host it here, create a userpage containing a link to your project hosted in another, more appropriate site, like fanfiction.net. This allows for better organization in your project without the limitations of userspace. Nokii — 00:20, January 23, 2020 (EST)

Alright, then, The 'Shroom it is. Thanks. Magolor04726 (talk) 16:57, January 23, 2020 (EST)Magolor04726

Flying Man as a boss

I see you stated that "Flying Man is not a boss in any way", and since I was the one who added that to the table, I suppose I owe you an explanation, even if you don't agree. The thing is that Flying Man shares many characteristics of the other stage bosses. Helps you out when you attack him? Just like Ridley in SSB4. While yes, the Flying Man does not attack until being hit, the Dark Emperor doesn't even actually attack from my knowledge, he just debuffs. I'd even go far as to say that the Flying Man disrupts gameplay more than the Dark Emperor. While he also does have less attacks than the prior ones mentioned, Metal Face and the Yellow Devil only have three attacks (only one more than the Flying Man), and nobody argues that they're stage bosses. 72.203.118.154 01:44, February 3, 2020 (EST)

One important factor you're missing is that those stage bosses are also bosses in their home series, but not Flying Man. In both EarthBound Beginnings and EarthBound Flying Men are allies for you and not ememies in any form. All other bosses have been bosses in at least their home series or SSB series, but neither is the case for Flying Man. It makes no sense to call him a stage boss when he was never a boss in the first place. SupαToαd64 03:22, February 3, 2020 (EST)

That's actually a very valid point that Flying Man is not a boss in Earthbound (something I didn't actually know about), but I don't think that would stop him from qualifying as a stage boss. He fills exactly the same role on Magicant as Ridley did on Pyrosphere, with the only difference being that Flying Man has less moves (which, like I mentioned earlier, all other stage bosses besides Ridley have around the same amount of attacks as Flying Man). Even if Flying Man is an ally in Earthbound, his appearance in Smash matches that of the stage bosses.

If worse comes to worse and we can't agree, maybe the wiki could switch over to just referring to stage bosses as stage hazards, and removing them from boss tables? There have always been characters who act as hazards, but aren't listed as stage bosses, such as Nabbit, Kamek, Palkia, Dialga Cresellia, Shy Guys, Klaptraps, Piranha Plant (on the Mushroom Kingdom 64 stage) and probably a few more I'm missing, all comparable to the Dark Emperor, so I'm starting to wonder if what exactly is a stage boss is a little arbitrary, just like those Final Smash classifications from before Smash 4 came out. 72.203.118.154 03:56, February 3, 2020 (EST)

...Good point actually. I believe what seperates stage "bosses" from "hazards" is that they can be defeated after taking enough attacks. Even though I still don't consider Flying Man a boss, I too am wondering if stage bosses are a bit arbritrary, unless there is some difference I'm missing. SupαToαd64 04:51, February 3, 2020 (EST)

Is it really necessary to remove the Changes to SSB4 section?

Maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think that altering the Changes to SSB4 section to block changes is a good idea. First off, this will stop us from improving the page, and second, if there is a new balance patch, i won't be able to insert the changes. You also removed the sections that showed differences betweeen semi-clones, such as those between Young Link and Toon Link. Was this really necessary?79.18.11.200 06:48, February 9, 2020 (EST)