User talk:Alex the weeb/Archive 1

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Disaster Flare (talk) 13:16, 16 December 2016 (EST)

Redirects

Okay, before you continue, while it's nice to see you trying to make finding articles more convenient, the redirects you're making are completely unnecessary, as it's not hard to search for "character (SSB4)". Plus, the redirects just look really unprofessional, honestly. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2017 (EST)

The redirects are not just for us, but for random people who visit the site and cannot be bothered to (or do not think to) type in Mario (SSB4) and instead type mario ssb4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Parpotta (talk • contribs) 21:40, 13 January 2017‎ (EST)

As I said on my talk page, literally the first article that pops up in the suggested results after searching for something like "mario ssb4" will be the proper article. Because of that, there is no need for the redirects at all. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:42, 13 January 2017 (EST)

Tech data pages

It's nice that you're making technical data pages, but you're leaving them woefully incomplete. Take Mario (SSB4)/Down special/Default: it has the hitbox, sure, but it's missing the projectile data, the timing data, the overview section, and even the navigation template. (You didn't even use the correct hitbox template, so it's missing reflection/absorption data and whatnot.) Compare with Fox (SSBM)/Neutral special, which has almost everything it needs.

You should do one (if not both) of these two things:

1. Leave {{competitive expertise}} and {{technical data}} tags on the page so it can be known through the category system that it's incomplete.
2. Don't make new pages if you can't do them justice. It's better for an expert to see a redlink and know "this needs doing" than to see a bluelink to almost nothing and think "I should do something else".

Toomai Glittershine The Brass 06:41, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

The F.L.U.D.D page was kind of a one off. I was mainly creating custom move pages (since no one seems to care about them). I could do the timing sections too, but it would take MUCH longer. I have a question about that though, what do i do about frame speed multipliers, do i put in the raw frame data and state the frame speed multiplier, or put in the modified frame data? Alex Parpotta (talk) 06:52, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Well I mean people don't care about customs in general so tech data for them deserves a lower priority in my mind.

When dealing with frame speed multipliers, I would recommend using the final post-calculated numbers in cases where the speed is fixed and doesn't change (maybe with ah HTML comment noting the raw numbers, in case people want to check your math), while if it does change (e.g. special moves that animate faster when more charged or something) you'd probably include slowest, fastest, and typical/default. Toomai Glittershine The Sphere 07:18, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Is this better? Alex Parpotta (talk) 08:29, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

"DiddyKong"

That redirect is not actually a requirement. You can type "Diddy Kong" with a space in the head template and it will work; "DiddyKong (SSB4)" only showed up in wanted pages because of people incorrectly omitting the space, perhaps having assumed that would be the required format for a template. Having said that, you'll have noticed that "DiddyKong" still produces Diddy's head whether the linked page exists or not, which lead to very non-obvious broken links. So that's a potential argument for keeping the redirect. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 06:30, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

The reason I think it is necessary is because so many pages use the diddy kong head icon as DiddyKong that it would be a nightmare to change all of them, and it is just easier (and possibly even less byte consuming, since redirect pages take up very little byte space, and adding that extra space in all of the head templates may take up more space) to have the redirect instead. Alex Parpotta (talk) 06:34, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

There are only around 30 search results for "DiddyKong". I've been on link-fixing rampages like that before. Still, I don't mind the redirect existing, although if we're keeping it there ahould also be a Brawl one. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 06:45, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Also bear in mind that more of these DIddyKong templates will show up in future, so overall it is just easier to leave the redirect (in my opinion anyway). Alex Parpotta (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Just for the record...

My "Lookitup" edit summary came across a little harsher than I intended, so I figured I'd issue a formal apology. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 13:31, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

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Hey look at that

You got rollback! Congratulations! Serpent King 16:54, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks!! Alex Parpotta (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Image uploads.

They are appreciated, but don't forget to put the {{license-screenshot}} template on them, alongside relevant categories.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 17:35, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Care to elaborate what you mean here? If you feel I have not used proper tact in my speech, then you are always free to drop a line on my talkpage; I'm not an unreasonable fellow, and I have previously responded to criticisms involving my word choice before. Using a personal attack is not the way to go in any circumstance, regardless of how you may feel about another user.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:34, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Crow, you have not been much better yourself with him lately. Strongly suggest you both back off from each other for a while, lest you make the problem worse. Or better yet, you two hug it out, right here right now. We all have a duty to contribute to the Wiki, and sniping at each other is NOT going to make things easy. Cool it, BOTH OF YOU. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:54, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

I have never attacked Alex Parpotta in any capacity, and if you're referring to my remarks on my failed policy, all of them were intended to be stupid jokes that were not intended to offend in any capacity; frankly, I'm still surprised he took any of it seriously. If anyone feels that I overstepped my bounds, then I do apologise; regardless, the use of a personal attack is unacceptable under any scenario, and I wanted to know Alex's reasoning for using such against me.

Also, just to let you know, Black Vulpine, the mediation technique of saying "cool it" does nothing in a user dispute. Both parties must attempt to understand each other in such a way that does not rely on personal attacks; I have done my part, now I'm waiting for Alex to do his part. Now, if one or both of us cracks under the pressure and starts using PAs... well, then you're going to have to bring in an actual admin.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 19:59, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

By accusing Alex of making snide remarks, as you did on the Be Bold talk page, you HAVE overstepped your bounds. If you reckon that him calling you petty and biased is assuming bad faith, then accusing other people of making snide remarks is DEFINITELY bad faith. Ergo, it goes into the territory of personal attacks - which, by the way, you did BEFORE he started paying you out. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 20:06, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

While I dislike making the "he started it" argument, I would like to make the claim that I did not appreciate how Alex did not seem to take my proposal seriously simply because I had written a number of other proposals before them, and I definitely did not appreciate the remarks that compared such proposals to the Soviet Union; while we may disagree on the scope and purpose of a proposal, I felt that these remarks were all in bad faith, as it seemed to imply that my attempts to help SmashWiki were an intentional act of sabotage and it also seemed to imply that he wasn't taking my work seriously. Owing to this, I (perhaps incorrectly) assumed that such remarks were intended to be snide. Now, I don't expect an apology for these remarks; who knows, maybe his fingers ran faster than his brain (I know I've done that several times now lol), or we just both suck at detecting sarcasm (Which we've all done at least once). At this point, I just wanted to know why he felt the need to use a PA against me in the edit summary, so that I can potentially improve myself for the future.

If you have any further remarks on this, please post them on my talkpage instead; I feel this has gotten too out-of-scope from the original dispute.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:16, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

I saw that!

I spotted this edit summary, and I know what it means too. I don't care if Crow has upset you, you need to cool it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 19:49, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Spike images

You should probably label your image names with SSB4 in case we ever get images from the other games in the series and wish to use the same naming convention. Serpent King 18:14, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Oi!

Hey, don't be thinking that this isn't passive aggressive. I know you were talking about me in that edit summary. You got in trouble with Monsieur Crow just days ago for doing exactly the same thing. Cut it out. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 20:25, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Test request

Rosa u-tilt, Luma u-tilt, Rosa u-air, Luma u-air, all vs Cloud dair, please. Penro 13:00, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

I probably should have been more specific but I meant more like game mechanics, glitches, trivia, and customs rather than kill percents, but here are the results.

Kill percents tested against Mario in training mode from the centre of FD are as follows:

Rosalina up tilt: 184%

Luma up tilt: 126%

Rosalina up air: 146%

Luma up air: irrelevant

Cloud down air: 129%

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 13:49, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

K, thank you so much Penro 14:20, 24 July 2017 (EDT)

"Fixed"?

What do you mean? Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 12:09, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

You left both the sentence and the template incomplete. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 12:12, 5 August 2017 (EDT)

First off you could have either told me or fixed it yourself, second how the hell did that happen? Ganonmew, The Evil Clone 23:16, 8 August 2017 (EDT)

I would have fixed it but I didn't know what you were trying to say. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 05:22, 9 August 2017 (EDT)

DatNuttyKid back again becaaaaaause...

Oxford commas are a thing and should be used as much as possible; they certainly are not bad grammar. For example:

"I went to a party with the strippers, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama" -- using an Oxford comma, I have clearly stated that I was at a party that had strippers, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama in attendance.

"I went to a party with the strippers, Donald Trump and Barack Obama" -- without an Oxford comma, while it could mean the same thing, it also sounds like I am defining Donald Trump and Barack Obama as strippers. Unnecessarily confusing.

I won't revert your edit since you were already in violation of SW:1RV and also because it's not a significant enough difference, in this case, to matter much, but keep this in mind in other circumstances. 73.147.234.34 15:44, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

(p.s.: you're welcome for the mental image of Donald Trump and Barack Obama as strippers.) 73.147.234.34 15:46, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Okay firstly, in the situation on the Pokémon trainer page is quite different, because all 3 of the items in the list are members of the same group (Pokémon), and therefore the comma is completely unnecessary.

Secondly I do not appreciate you accusing me of violating 1RV, as in this circumstance, I am correcting a misinterpretation, (i.e an erroneous grammatical revert), and this is not the same as edit warring.

Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 16:02, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

"Do not revert another user's revert on an article, especially on matters of opinion." Google Oxford comma. It is clearly a matter of opinion. And anyway, neither exception permits erroneous grammatical reverts either, just "obvious vandalism" and "obviously false information".

The fact that the example doesn't directly apply is irrelevant; the point is that the Oxford comma is not bad grammar. It is, perhaps, controversial grammar, but just because it does not directly change the situation doesn't mean it's incorrect. Is it bad grammar to use bigger words than necessary unless they affect clarity? Is it bad grammar to use nouns over pronouns unless they affect clarity? Of course not.

You can use whatever grammar you want; I merely wanted to point out to you that your viewpoint was far too definitive. 73.147.234.34 20:30, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Ok, I don't want to argue with you, but again you are wrong. Since such usage of the comma is not required in this circumstance, it is therefore poor grammar to use it, in the same way that finishing a regular sentence with an exclamation mark is bad grammar. Yes there's no rule that says it is wrong to do that, but it is a poor usage of it. Also again, 1RV is intended to prevent edit warring, not allow reverters transcendental rights over the revision of the page simply because they are not vandalizing it. If a reversion is erroneous, then it can be undone. Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 20:35, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

I would have done the same thing. It is more grammatically correct to NOT have a comma preceding the last item on a list of 3 items or more. And as Alex said, the 1RV rule's sole purpose is to stop edit warring. If a double reversion occurred because the first reversion was erroneous for any reason, then it doesn't count as an edit war. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the Internets go! :3 21:14, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Hey, if nothing else, your attitude has confirmed to me that my reasons for leaving this wiki were completely justified. So there's an accomplishment, you should be proud. 73.147.234.34 21:16, 27 August 2017 (EDT)