SmashWiki talk:Manual of Style

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Disambiguation pages

How are disambiguation pages supposed to be handled? Are the entries supposed to be ordered alphabetically or in terms of relevancy/commonness/"most-likely search term"? Thanks in advance for the help. Fenyx4 (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Judging by this, I'd say relevance. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:56, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Relevance, definitely. The Cloud disambig and Zero (disambiguation) are good examples of this. Miles (talk) 22:47, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Okay; thanks for the replies and clarification. Yeah, I was trying to use the Cloud disambiguation page as a gauge (along with Thunder and Counter), although due to how recently the Cloud page was made, I was somewhat hesitant about adhering to it. Fenyx4 (talk) 23:29, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Formatting of music titles

How are the titles of musical compositions/"songs" supposed to be formatted? I have seen italics used in quite a few areas, although I thought that the standard was using quotation marks ("") (first source, second source) for song titles? Wikipedia also advocates the usage of quotation marks for song titles and instrumental compositions. Instrumental compositions seem to vary somewhat, although songs with vocals seem to follow the "quotation mark" guideline, although I'm not sure what SmashWiki should use overall.. Thanks in advance for the help. Fenyx4 (talk) 23:29, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I'd strongly encourage italics. That's what's used pretty much everywhere under the current system. Miles (talk) 01:16, 19 November 2015 (EST)

SSB4?

I think this article should clear up whether or not SSB4 is an acceptable shortening of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS. It clearly states that SSBB is not acceptable, but that SSB and the like are. Many articles currently use SSB4, so it should be made known if this is okay or should be fixed. ScizorSteelix 18:31, 23 January 2016 (EST)

IMO "SSB" and "SSB4" are acceptable (and preferable) because concise, one-word shorthands like "Melee" and "Brawl" aren't available. I'm also vehemently opposed to the "Smash 64" and "Smash 4" shorthands. Miles (talk) 19:30, 23 January 2016 (EST)

I don't see what's wrong with Smash 64 and Smash 4 (or, at least what's more wrong with them than SSB or SSB4). It's a little more consistent at least. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:43, 23 January 2016 (EST)

Soooo, should someone add that to the page? Or should we wait for a general consensus? Since it's a guideline page, I'm not exactly sure of the rules behind editing it. ScizorSteelix 19:45, 23 January 2016 (EST)

Yeah, I would say that could be added without too much hassle. Serpent King 20:18, 23 January 2016 (EST)

phantom hit

phantom hit is used much more often then glancing blow Nintendofan1653 (talk) EZMONEY!! 13:06, 24 January 2016 (EST)

proof Nintendofan1653 (talk) EZMONEY!! 13:08, 24 January 2016 (EST)

I don't think you understand what you changed. The page is known as Glancing blow, so listing on the manual of style that it is known as Phantom hit instead of Glancing blow on the wiki is a complete lie. If you think it should be called phantom hit, you should bring it up on the talk page of that page to be moved. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 13:27, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Gender variations and defaults

Sorry for bringing up so many things on this page, but since it clarifies the way the Ice Climbers should be treated, should this be the place where we specify that we refer to gender-variable characters by their default? ScizorSteelix 21:49, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Woops. Already there. Shows you how thouroughly I read that. ScizorSteelix 22:15, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Considering that certain Pokémon are gendered in descriptions and costumes, I think we should do something about it. Notably, starting in Gen IV, all male Pikachus have a tail ending in a flat edge, while the females have a notched end; this would mean that the Pikachu seen in Brawl through Ultimate is male, while two of Pikachu's costumes in the latter are exclusively female (Celene's hat and Pikachu Libre). Greninja is also referred to with male pronouns in materials for Ultimate. Most of Pichu's outfits in Ultimate are unisex-based, but the Notch-eared outfit is exclusively female based on the entry in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.--Tailikku (talk) 22:18, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

Since there are so many male/female options now, and the game acknowledges it by talking them as if they are gender neutral, I think that when talking about characters like Robin, Corrin or Inkling we should use gender neutral pronouns. --Starcrystal45 (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Advice on enforcement

Since we're now enforcing use of the Manual, should we have it written somewhere saying so? I'd do it, but I'm having trouble working out where to put it. Black Vulpine (talk) 08:10, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

...what? We've always "enforced" this. Just because it's a guideline as opposed to a policy doesn't mean people are free to ignore it. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 10:07, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

Should we change the default pronouns on Robin, Corrin, Inkling, etc.’s pages to gender neutral pronouns?

The tips in Ultimate use gender-neutral pronouns (In their series” instead of “In his series”), so I feel like we might need to change the rules on this to be consistent with what the actual games say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.181.102.188 (talk • contribs) 14:30, January 12, 2019

No, refer here to why. SugarCookie420 (talk) 14:39, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Also, I should probably state that SmashWiki is not official, judging how my previous explanation probably wasn't the best. SugarCookie420 (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2019 (EST)

I’m aware that SmashWiki is unofficial. However, in order to be more consistent with the source material, I’d suggest changing the rules on default costumes. I use all of the default genders except Corrin anyways. I just want this to be consistent with official info184.181.102.188 14:50, 12 January 2019 (EST)

I don't think this change would provide any useful benefit. Also note that your example is very limited; the tip text itself largely avoids using pronouns for many of the reversible characters. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 15:53, 12 January 2019 (EST)

This would provide a useful benefit: being consistent with the ingame slurce material. Even if the tips largely avoid using pronouns in general, I’d say that still counts as treating them as gender-neutral 184.181.102.188 21:43, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Again, SmashWiki is not official. We don't have to change something just to match up with what the game does. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:08, 12 January 2019 (EST)

“Prioritize using official names unless a different name is much more widely used.” (The “Do” number 3 on that page) .Pronouns count as names, as they merely just replace the name with something easier to type. Nintendo officially calls characters with gender alts “they” and “them”. While a majority of fans use specific gendered pronouns, there are cases where the alt’s pronoun is used instead. To appease both ends, I believe that the rule on referring characters as their default gender should be changed, as not only does it use official terms, it also appeases fans of the alts (such as that crazy Corrin fan who keeps showing up) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.181.102.188 (talk • contribs) 22:19, January 12, 2019‎

Woah, at least watch the personal attacks. Anyways, the Do in number 3 is a rule geared towards smash terms such as "JV5" or "4-stock" and not really names of characters. SugarCookie420 (talk) 22:24, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Alright. Maybe I misunderstood that rule. However, despite SmashWiki being unofficial, I’d still suggest changing genderswap alts to use gender-neutral pronouns to be consistent with what Nintendo says. 184.181.102.188 05:18, 13 January 2019 (EST)

I actually agree with the suggestion that we should use gender neutral language. It avoids ambiguity on pages like this which are about a character not based in Smash and therefore having no default appearance to choose from, and also prevents the future problem of what to do if a character has different default appearances in different Smash games. – Emmett 05:47, 13 January 2019 (EST)

It’s been roughly 24 hours. Have we all come to a consensus on if the “refer to characters with multiple genders by their default costume” rule should stay or go? Personally, I’d say remove the rule, as like Emmet said, it’s more consistent with non-fighter pages, and will become less confusing in case a character changes their default gender.