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[[File:MarthDSpecialSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter, when attacking.]]
[[File:MarthDSpecialAttackSSBU.gif|thumb|400px|Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter, when attacking.]]
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==Overview==
==Overview==
Marth's [[down special move]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' is '''[[Counter]]''', a move that involves posing for a couple of seconds. If the opponent hits Marth with an attack at the correct moment, Marth will throw out a counterattack. While this can be used as a surprise move in certain situations, it is usually rather [[punish]]able and easy to whiff. It also doesn't grant much followup ability if it does hit, making it a rather rarely-used move in competitive play. It can [[gimp]] certain recoveries, such as {{b|Screw Attack|move}}, [[Fire Fox]], and [[Fire Bird]], because these moves put out hitboxes which trigger the counterattack. However, some moves which put out these hitboxes may also move these characters too quickly. An example is {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, whose uncharged up special moves him past Marth at the point a Marth facing Sephiroth would ordinarily counterattack. In this scenario, turn around first before activating Counter, and you may have better success gimping such characters.
Marth's [[down special move]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' is '''[[Counter]]'''. If the opponent hits Marth with an attack at the correct moment, Marth will throw out a counterattack. While this can be used as a surprise move in certain situations, it is usually rather [[punish]]able and easy to whiff. It also doesn't grant much followup ability if it does hit, making it a rather rarely-used move in competitive play.
 
It can [[gimp]] certain recoveries, such as {{b|Screw Attack|move}}, [[Fire Fox]], and [[Fire Bird]] as their active hitboxes can trigger the counterattack. Some moves may also move the opponent too quickly, such as {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, whose uncharged up special places him past Marth before he can counterattack. In this scenario, a turnaround Counter can be used.


==Hitboxes==
==Hitboxes==
The move's true base damage is equal to 1.2× of the countered attack's damage, with a minimum of 8% and a maximum of 50%. Additionally, the hitboxes ignore any kind of [[armor]], and they play an additional sound effect on hit if an attack that deals at least 13% is countered, which is shared with [[Critical Hit|Marth's Final Smash]].
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==Timing==
==Timing==
===Counter===
===Counter===
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===Hit===
===Attack===
Upon countering an attack, Marth immediately transitions to the first frame of this state, in which he freezes for 21 frames alongside the opponent before the counterattack proceeds.
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==Parameters==
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|10.5u
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Latest revision as of 22:49, June 20, 2022

Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter.
Hitbox visualization showing Marth's down special, Counter, when attacking.

Overview[edit]

Marth's down special move in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is Counter. If the opponent hits Marth with an attack at the correct moment, Marth will throw out a counterattack. While this can be used as a surprise move in certain situations, it is usually rather punishable and easy to whiff. It also doesn't grant much followup ability if it does hit, making it a rather rarely-used move in competitive play.

It can gimp certain recoveries, such as Screw Attack, Fire Fox, and Fire Bird as their active hitboxes can trigger the counterattack. Some moves may also move the opponent too quickly, such as Sephiroth, whose uncharged up special places him past Marth before he can counterattack. In this scenario, a turnaround Counter can be used.

Hitboxes[edit]

The move's true base damage is equal to 1.2× of the countered attack's damage, with a minimum of 8% and a maximum of 50%. Additionally, the hitboxes ignore any kind of armor, and they play an additional sound effect on hit if an attack that deals at least 13% is countered, which is shared with Marth's Final Smash.

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
0 0 0 8.0% 0 Sakurai angle Forward 90 60 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 5.5 sword1 1.5 0.0 1.5 1.4× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png TypeIcon(Sword).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
1 0 0 8.0% 0 Sakurai angle Forward 90 60 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 5.5 armr 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.4× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png TypeIcon(Sword).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
2 0 0 8.0% 0 Sakurai angle Forward 90 60 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 5.5 colonells 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.4× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png TypeIcon(Sword).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
3 0 0 8.0% 0 Sakurai angle Forward 90 60 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 5.5 sword1 1.5 0.0 6.5 1.4× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(NoClang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png EffectIcon(Slash).png TypeIcon(Sword).png HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Kick SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png

Timing[edit]

Counter[edit]

Intangibility 5-6
Counter 6-27
Interruptible 65
Animation length (grounded) 71
Animation length (aerial) 79
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Hurtboxes  FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png

Attack[edit]

Upon countering an attack, Marth immediately transitions to the first frame of this state, in which he freezes for 21 frames alongside the opponent before the counterattack proceeds.

Intangibility 1-8
Hitboxes 5-7
Interruptible 42
Animation length 51
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Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
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Lag time
FrameIcon(Hitbox).png
Hitbox
FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png
Vulnerable
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Counter
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Intangible
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Interruptible

Parameters[edit]

Horizontal speed multiplier on startup 0.5
Air friction 0.0025
Gravity 0.04
Fall speed 1.2
Counter hitlag on activation 21 frames
Counter damage multiplier 1.2
Counter minimum damage 8%
Counter maximum damage 50%
Counter bubble size 10.5u
Counter bubble bone top
Counter bubble offsets [0, 10, 0]