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An '''Ironman''' is similar to a [[crew battle]], but it is between two people instead of two groups. It is an idea that originated from {{sm|g-regulate}} on [[SmashBoards]] based on Overswarm's idea.


== Procedure ==
An '''Ironman''' is a type of Free for all match in which each player controls a team of different characters, fighting each other in a series of free for all or 1v1 matches with one character at a time in a format similar to a [[crew battle]], and concluding when one player has defeated all of the opposing player's characters. The idea behind an Ironman is to test each player's ability to play a variety of characters, as standard tournaments don't require players to use more than one character (and indeed most players only use a single character or two in tournaments). The concept of an Ironman match originated from {{sm|g-regulate}} and {{sm|Overswarm}} on [[SmashBoards]].
Both players pick a set amount of different [[character]]s (typically between 5 to 10 characters). Each character starts with a set amount of [[stock]]s, usually based on the game's [[tournament]] standard (e.g. in ''Melee'' they would have 4 stocks, while in ''Ultimate'' they would have 3 stocks). They then pick their opening characters before the battle. They then either mutually agree to the opening stage or stage strike among the starter stages to decide it.


When a player loses all of their character's stocks, they pick another character and counterpick a legal stage. The winner of the prior game starts the battle with their character's remaining stocks from the prior game, and therefore [[self destruct]]s to match their prior stock count before the next game starts proper. An Ironmatch ends once one player depletes all of their opponent's stocks for every character, with the surviving player being the winner.
==Procedure==
Both players pick a set amount of different [[character]]s (typically between 5 to 10 characters, but can be any amount up to the number of available playable characters), with each character having a set amount of [[stock]]s, usually based on the game's [[tournament]] standard (e.g. in ''Melee'' they would have 4 stocks, while in ''Ultimate'' they would have 3 stocks). They then pick their opening characters before the battle, and either mutually agree to the opening stage or stage strike among the starter stages to decide it.


== Full Roster Ironman ==
When a player loses all of their character's stocks, they pick another character and counterpick a legal stage. The winner of the prior game starts the battle with their character's remaining stocks from the prior game, and therefore [[self destruct]]s to match their prior stock count before the next game starts proper. An Ironman match ends once one player depletes all of their opponent's stocks for every character, with the surviving player being the winner.
This type of Ironman is functionally similar to a normal Ironman, but involves the full roster instead of a set number of characters. It is occasionally done as a side-event at some tourneys, one of the most famous instances being {{Sm|Mango}} and {{Sm|Mew2King}}'s full roster Ironman at [[Smash the Record]]. Due to the increasingly larger roster size with each Smash game, Full Roster Ironman matches being done in the Smash games beyond ''Melee'' are increasingly rare with each installment even in casual settings; Ultimate for example is currently set to have 88 playable characters after its DLC is finished (86 if {{SSBU|Pokemon Trainer}} is counted as one character), meaning with each character having 3 stocks each player would have 264 stocks (or 258 stocks) total to go through, leading to the match taking several hours at least to finish and potentially lasting longer than the amount of time an entire tournament has available. Conversely Full Roster Ironman matches are at their most popular in ''Smash 64'' and are much more a fixture in its competitive scene than in the other Smash games, as with it having only 12 playable characters a Full Roster Ironman will not require significant time investment and can be finished in around an hour. Within the ''Smash 64'' scene a Full Roster Ironman is also known as a "Twelve Character Battle".
 
==Full Roster Ironman==
This type of Ironman is functionally similar to a normal Ironman, but involves each player using the full roster instead of a set number of characters. It is occasionally done as a side-event at some tourneys, the most famous instance being {{Sm|Mango}}'s and {{Sm|Mew2King}}'s full roster Ironman at [[Smash the Record]]. This format presides mostly within the original ''Super Smash Bros.'' and ''Melee''; in the former it is a regular fixture of its competitive scene and is also known as a "[[Twelve character battle]]". Full roster Ironmans for the later ''Smash'' games are rare even in casual settings due to each game's increasingly large roster size. For example, ''Ultimate'' has 89 playable characters (86 if {{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}} and the [[Aegis]] are each counted as one character), leaving each player with 267 stocks (or 258 stocks) if each character is given three stocks; such an event would take several hours to finish at least, and if done as an exhibition within a tournament, it would likely run well past its runtime.
 
==Ironman Challenge==
The Ironman challenge is a challenge that originated in the ''Smash 4'' community based around [[online play]]. It is conceptually similar to a traditional Ironman in that it requires proficiency with many characters, but rather than being a 1-on-1 match between two players, it involves one player playing on a random matchmaking service such as [[For Glory]] or [[Elite Smash]]. There are 2 basic rules for the Ironman challenge:
 
*Win a match with every character in the game's roster.
*If a match is ever lost, all progress is reset and the challenge must be started from the beginning.
 
In addition to these, there are optional rules to make the challenge even harder, such as stipulating that you are only allowed to play an opponent one time or that characters must be selected in a random order. It is particularly popular on [[YouTube]] and is seen as one of the hardest challenges to complete in all of ''Smash'', outside of actual tournament success.
 
===Dice Ironman===
A variation of the Ironman challenge is the Dice Ironman. Although fundamentally similar, it has one crucial difference:
 
*If a match is lost, instead of resetting progress the player has to go back a certain amount of characters based on a D6 dice roll.
 
The Dice Ironman was first popularized in Japan, with several prominent players such as {{Sm|Huto}} and {{Sm|Yaura}} participating it. The variation gained recognition overseas during Huto's run, which lasted 1,233 games, 264 losses, and over 158 hours.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/kenniky1/status/1750950671044562994|title=Huto completes Dice Ironman}}</ref>


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''==
==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''==
''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' added a couple modes that are similar to an Ironman match. First there's [[Smashdown]], where after a character has been used in one game, that character is not able to be chosen again by any player until the Smashdown match is finished. Smashdown continues on until after a set number of games have been completed, with the player that has the most wins being declared the winner, or if the mercy rule is enabled, Smashdown ends when a player has won enough games that it's impossible for any other player to surpass their win total in the remaining matches. Enough battles can be set to have Smashdown involve the entire roster minus the [[Mii Fighter]]s, replicating a Full Roster Ironman but in a different format that is more practical for a roster of ''Ultimate'''s size.
''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' added modes that are similar to an Ironman match. One of the new such modes is [[Smashdown]], in which after a character has been used in one game, that character cannot be chosen again by any player until the Smashdown match is concluded. Smashdown continues on until after a set number of games have been completed, with the player that has the most wins being declared the winner, or if the mercy rule is enabled, Smashdown ends when a player has won enough games that it is impossible for the opponent(s) to surpass their win total in the remaining matches. Enough battles can be set to have Smashdown involve the entire roster minus the [[Mii Fighter]]s, replicating a Full Roster Ironman but in a format that is more practical for a roster of ''Ultimate'''s size.
 
Ultimate's other Ironman-like mode is [[Squad Strike]], that has its own three formats available. The most popular is the "Tag Team" format, where a normal 3 or 5 stock match is done, but with each player's stock being a different character. This more condensed format has made it much more popular than standard Ironman as an actual side-event at tournaments, as it can be run as a normal open bracket that any player at a tournament can partake in and still practically fit into the tournament's schedule. For a more standard Ironman fare, the "Elimination" format is nearly identical, but with the difference being that the winner's [[damage]] is carried over into the next match too, with an option to recover a set amount between 0-100 damage between matches instead of being recovered completely, and the mode only supports each player having 3 or 5 characters.


For a ruling specific to ''Ultimate'', with its introduction of [[clone]] characters known as "Echo Fighters" that are very minimally different from the parent character they're cloned from, Squad Strike and Ironman events may ban players from using both an Echo and their parent character, as it's an unfair advantage for players who happen to main a character with an Echo, allowing them to essentially use their main twice instead of having to use an actually different character. These Echo bans may not extend to {{SSBU|Chrom}} and especially {{SSBU|Ken}} however, as a significant amount of players believe they're different enough functionally from their parent character to not inherently advantage their mains, but where the line is drawn varies from tournament to tournament, if an Echo ban is in effect at all.
''Ultimate'''s other Ironman-like mode is [[Squad Strike]], that has its own three formats available. The most popular is the "Tag Team" format, where a normal 3 or 5 stock match is done, but with each player's stock being a different character. This more condensed format has made it much more popular than standard Ironman as an actual side-event at tournaments, as it can be run as a normal open bracket that any player at a tournament can partake in and still fit into the tournament's schedule. For a more standard Ironman fare, the "Elimination" format is nearly identical to a standard Ironman format, but with the difference being that the winner's [[damage]] is carried over into the next match too, with an option to recover a set amount between 0-100 damage between matches instead of being recovered completely, and the mode only supports each player having 3 or 5 characters.


== See also ==
For a ruling specific to ''Ultimate'', with its introduction of [[clone]] characters known as "Echo Fighters" that are negligibly different from their parent character, Squad Strike and Ironman events (or gentleman agreement between players for casual matches) may ban players from using both an Echo and their parent character, deeming it an unfair advantage for players who happen to be proficient with a character that has an Echo and thus allow them to essentially use their main (or secondary) twice instead of having to use an actually different character they're less competent with. These Echo bans may not extend to {{SSBU|Lucina}}, {{SSBU|Chrom}}, and especially {{SSBU|Ken}} however, as a significant amount of players believe they are functionally distinct enough from their parent character to not inherently advantage players that play them, but where the line is drawn varies from tournament to tournament, if an Echo ban is in effect at all.


* [[Twelve character battle]]
==References==
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== External links ==
==External links==
*[http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110560 SmashBoards thread]
*[http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110560 SmashBoards thread]


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Revision as of 16:10, January 26, 2024

An Ironman is a type of Free for all match in which each player controls a team of different characters, fighting each other in a series of free for all or 1v1 matches with one character at a time in a format similar to a crew battle, and concluding when one player has defeated all of the opposing player's characters. The idea behind an Ironman is to test each player's ability to play a variety of characters, as standard tournaments don't require players to use more than one character (and indeed most players only use a single character or two in tournaments). The concept of an Ironman match originated from g-regulate and Overswarm on SmashBoards.

Procedure

Both players pick a set amount of different characters (typically between 5 to 10 characters, but can be any amount up to the number of available playable characters), with each character having a set amount of stocks, usually based on the game's tournament standard (e.g. in Melee they would have 4 stocks, while in Ultimate they would have 3 stocks). They then pick their opening characters before the battle, and either mutually agree to the opening stage or stage strike among the starter stages to decide it.

When a player loses all of their character's stocks, they pick another character and counterpick a legal stage. The winner of the prior game starts the battle with their character's remaining stocks from the prior game, and therefore self destructs to match their prior stock count before the next game starts proper. An Ironman match ends once one player depletes all of their opponent's stocks for every character, with the surviving player being the winner.

Full Roster Ironman

This type of Ironman is functionally similar to a normal Ironman, but involves each player using the full roster instead of a set number of characters. It is occasionally done as a side-event at some tourneys, the most famous instance being Mango's and Mew2King's full roster Ironman at Smash the Record. This format presides mostly within the original Super Smash Bros. and Melee; in the former it is a regular fixture of its competitive scene and is also known as a "Twelve character battle". Full roster Ironmans for the later Smash games are rare even in casual settings due to each game's increasingly large roster size. For example, Ultimate has 89 playable characters (86 if Pokémon Trainer and the Aegis are each counted as one character), leaving each player with 267 stocks (or 258 stocks) if each character is given three stocks; such an event would take several hours to finish at least, and if done as an exhibition within a tournament, it would likely run well past its runtime.

Ironman Challenge

The Ironman challenge is a challenge that originated in the Smash 4 community based around online play. It is conceptually similar to a traditional Ironman in that it requires proficiency with many characters, but rather than being a 1-on-1 match between two players, it involves one player playing on a random matchmaking service such as For Glory or Elite Smash. There are 2 basic rules for the Ironman challenge:

  • Win a match with every character in the game's roster.
  • If a match is ever lost, all progress is reset and the challenge must be started from the beginning.

In addition to these, there are optional rules to make the challenge even harder, such as stipulating that you are only allowed to play an opponent one time or that characters must be selected in a random order. It is particularly popular on YouTube and is seen as one of the hardest challenges to complete in all of Smash, outside of actual tournament success.

Dice Ironman

A variation of the Ironman challenge is the Dice Ironman. Although fundamentally similar, it has one crucial difference:

  • If a match is lost, instead of resetting progress the player has to go back a certain amount of characters based on a D6 dice roll.

The Dice Ironman was first popularized in Japan, with several prominent players such as Huto and Yaura participating it. The variation gained recognition overseas during Huto's run, which lasted 1,233 games, 264 losses, and over 158 hours.[1]

In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate added modes that are similar to an Ironman match. One of the new such modes is Smashdown, in which after a character has been used in one game, that character cannot be chosen again by any player until the Smashdown match is concluded. Smashdown continues on until after a set number of games have been completed, with the player that has the most wins being declared the winner, or if the mercy rule is enabled, Smashdown ends when a player has won enough games that it is impossible for the opponent(s) to surpass their win total in the remaining matches. Enough battles can be set to have Smashdown involve the entire roster minus the Mii Fighters, replicating a Full Roster Ironman but in a format that is more practical for a roster of Ultimate's size.

Ultimate's other Ironman-like mode is Squad Strike, that has its own three formats available. The most popular is the "Tag Team" format, where a normal 3 or 5 stock match is done, but with each player's stock being a different character. This more condensed format has made it much more popular than standard Ironman as an actual side-event at tournaments, as it can be run as a normal open bracket that any player at a tournament can partake in and still fit into the tournament's schedule. For a more standard Ironman fare, the "Elimination" format is nearly identical to a standard Ironman format, but with the difference being that the winner's damage is carried over into the next match too, with an option to recover a set amount between 0-100 damage between matches instead of being recovered completely, and the mode only supports each player having 3 or 5 characters.

For a ruling specific to Ultimate, with its introduction of clone characters known as "Echo Fighters" that are negligibly different from their parent character, Squad Strike and Ironman events (or gentleman agreement between players for casual matches) may ban players from using both an Echo and their parent character, deeming it an unfair advantage for players who happen to be proficient with a character that has an Echo and thus allow them to essentially use their main (or secondary) twice instead of having to use an actually different character they're less competent with. These Echo bans may not extend to Lucina, Chrom, and especially Ken however, as a significant amount of players believe they are functionally distinct enough from their parent character to not inherently advantage players that play them, but where the line is drawn varies from tournament to tournament, if an Echo ban is in effect at all.

References

External links