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You want to change your username? Iron Reggie, the Fearsome Warrior 02:49, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

Username change

Your username has been successfully changed from "Alex Parpotta" to "Trainer Alex" as per your request. Please remember that you are responsible for fixing any double redirects that this may have caused. Thanks! Serpent  King 06:06, 17 April 2018 (EDT)

If I may?

I need help with something in particular. I wish to edit the update history section of King Dedede's page. I want to change all "Gordo Tosses" to "Gordo Throw". However, I am unsure on how to do it, as when I go to edit the section...there's a small section of text that indicates update itself, but it doesn't show any of the changes. I had asked Serpent King for help prior, but he did not respond. I appreciate your time. Capnap64 (talk) 11:25, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

It appears he's already answered this but just to clarify, when you get to the page, it will look as though it's mostly empty, as the character specific information is hidden, so you'll need to click edit and view the source to find the update list for King Dedede and correct the information. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 13:00, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

Indeed, he already did answer, but I am indebted for your time and attention. I will be pleased to work with you for the time I am here. Capnap64 (talk) 13:18, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

Inkling Pronouns

Hello. You recently undid the edit I made to the Super Jump page, and I wanted to let you know why I'll be reverting it. When we have character who can be multiple genders, such as Wii Fit Trainer, Pokémon Trainer, or Corrin, we use the pronoun of whatever their default form is. For Inkling, that is female. You can see this "policy" in action on the pages of the characters I've listed, including Inkling's. I apologize for any confusion, and I understand why there was a misunderstanding. I also made this error when editing Inkling's page. I hope this clears things up. Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 13:14, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Wait, hold up. Per SW:1RV you can't just announce that you're going to revert it back without actually discussing the issue first. The problem with listing Inkling as explicitly male or female is that we don't technically know which one will be the default costume on the game's release. Additionally in the case of the Inklings the argument can be made that neither is the "default", and which one happens to be the default costume is arbitrary. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 13:18, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

My apologies, I had been careless with the revert. I should have waited for a response. Now, my argument is that it isn't arbitrary. As with other multi-gendered characters, the "default" is whichever first appears when hovered in the character select or appears most prominently in promotional material (such as the official website). We don't have to "technically" know which one will be the default on release because we are only using information from the demo as a guide. Just about anything could change between now and release, so saying that it could change between now and release could be used as an argument not to put any information we saw in the demo on the wiki. We operate based on what we know now, and all available information indicates that the default form for Inkling is female. Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 13:31, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

No, we do not refer to Mii Brawler as male even though it is shown as male on the select screen, as Miis are customizable characters that can be either gender. Inklings are also customizable characters that can be either gender, so we should treat them the way we treat Miis, not the way we treat fighters like Robin. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 13:39, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Villagers are customizable, yet we refer to the Villager character in Smash as a male, because that's the default. And, if I may, Robin is the exact same case: he is a customizable avatar in Awakening, that can be either gender. Same with Corrin. Your argument is flawed, Alex. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 13:46, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Well then that raises the question of why we don't refer to those fighters as they too. The default costume's gender was selected arbitrarily so that should not be the basis of how we gender them. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 13:50, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Aidan. The default gender may be decided arbitrarily, but it isn't by us. We merely follow and edit the wiki according to what the developers provide, and in these instances they show a clear tendency of deciding what the default gender is and showing it in the ways I mentioned earlier. I don't see a problem with following that lead. Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 13:54, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Um no, the way I see it it's about time we have an actual policy discussion on this, because this unspoken rule seems very ill-conceived to me.

Not unspoken per se. It's on the Manual of Style. It does say that it should refer to its default gender. Since that's the female variation and there's no "customisation" in the E3 demo yet, let alone on the scope of the Miis. It should apply to the Inkling until confirmed otherwise. Nokii (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

(reset indent (and edit conflict)) While I can't speak for the Villager, I can speak for the other characters:

• The female Inkling was the first one to be shown off in the E3 2014 trailer. Within the games themselves, the default gender is set to female.
• Both Robin and Corrin are defaulted to male within Awakening and Fates, respectively. Male is also the primary gender shown off in both of their Smash 4 trailers, even more so with Robin than Corrin.
• Even the Wii Fit Trainer is defaulted to female within all Wii Fit games - I myself didn't even know for a long time that you could even change the gender to male at all.

Villager, you could make a case for, but, seeing as how the male was the primary gender for Smash 4 (shown off in the E3 trailer as male, and female wasn't even confirmed until after the April Smash Direct back in 2014), I think we should keep consistency with that and refer to Villager as male. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 13:57, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

The argument seems to be "we use default pronouns for Mii Fighters so we should use it for all multi-gendered characters", which I don't agree with because the Mii Fighters are clearly an exception rather than a rule. No other character's appearance functions like theirs does in Smash Bros, so why they'd be the rule instead of the exception does not make sense to me. Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 14:02, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Following Nokii's post:

“	If referring to a fighter that has both genders as costume choices (such as Robin or Corrin), use the gender pronoun that matches the default choice.	”
—SW:MoS

Case closed. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 14:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Actually that part about Wii Fit Trainer is wrong. When you first make the file it actually asks you which gender trainer you want. But in any case I'm not particularly interested in what the defaults happen to be in the game, the point remains that their genders are indefinite and can be changed and customized, and thus I think there is a very strong case that can be made for making them gender neutral. I think we should at least have a proper policy discussion about this. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 14:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

We have a policy rule in place. There is no need for discussion. The Inkling is female in Smash by default, so the Inkling is a she. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 14:09, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

I agree with Aidan. This is something we hammered out for smash 4 (that gender is based on defaults (in Smash not home series)). There isn't a good reason to reopen this discussion because nothing has changed. Serpent  King 14:13, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

So is it safe to revert the edit on Super Jump? Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 14:16, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

(reset indent) Already taken care of. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 14:17, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

The way I see it, that's quite foolish logic. Since I don't remember this discussion it must have happened before I joined, which means it is a very old discussion. Policies should be held to scrutiny and amendment from time to time, so saying that we shouldn't re-open the discussion is not a great argument. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 14:20, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

It was put in place for Smash 4. It has been used ever since. If four years old is "very old", then I'm a senior citizen. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 14:21, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

4 years is long enough for a re-election for president so why shouldn't it be long enough for policy rediscussion. Comparing policy age to human age is just silly.Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 14:23, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Your arguments in favor of changing the policy have not been very strong, I must say. If you think you can convince many other users of something that they couldn't be convinced of before, then go for it. For now, we should follow the policy. Toymaker's Creation "Thank you for your contribution." 14:22, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

What does this even have to do with politics? Disputing something that has been adhered for the last 4 years just for the sake of it is even sillier. Nokii (talk) 14:30, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

No...?

The heck's that supposed to mean? 107.77.245.11 18:15, 22 June 2018 (EDT)