Talk:Boxing Ring

Universe

Since Sakurai has confirmed the Smash Bros. version wasn't just a "placeholder" prior to the Little Mac reveal, why wouldn't label this stage as both Punch-Out and Smash, universe-wise? OT, I don't think there's enough justification to not count it as a Smash stage when one of the two versions clearly is just that. Miles (talk) 12:31, 25 February 2014 (EST)

PAL Spanish names: Are they really necessary?

As soon as I saw Spanish PAL names being listed here I instantly feared this page will face the same fate as this one. Don't get me wrong, I mean... I was, in fact, one of the contributors who helped that page have the info it has currently, but it's just messy enough and I wouldn't like to see more pages filled with big bunches of info that will eventually be tagged as articles in need of a cleanup.

I would like to point out that, at least in the case of this page, only English name differences are relevant. PAL Spanish names are pretty much a mix of translations and adaptations of the English PAL character titles. The other page is dealing with a similar issue (most foreign names are pretty much that), but that's another topic.

I still have to see how the rest of the wiki editors and I will deal with the other page, so I hope we can all solve the issue with this page before it grows any bigger. -(Arikk (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2014 (EST))

German Boxing Ring Aliases

I translated the German boxing ring aliases from German Boxing Ring Aliases

It shows in paragraph form (forgive me, I'm new).

• Luigi: Green, Bold, and Impetuous
• Bowser: King of the Koopas
• Mario: The terrors of all blocks
• Peach: Princess of the Mushroom Kingdom
• Rosalina: Cosmic Dream Team
• Bowser Jr.: Like father, like Son
• Wario: Stink bomb with two feet
• Yoshi: Islander with a big appetite
• Little Mac: Small but also… punches the opponent with a quick K.O.
• Mr. Game and Watch: Two dimensional Jack-of-all-trades
• Diddy Kong- Little Monkey of warfare
• Donkey Kong: King of Jungles
• Link: Hero of Hyrule
• Zelda: Princess of Hyrule
• Sheik: Sheikan with a mysterious past
• Ganondorf: King of Evil
• Samus: Intergalatic Bounty Hunter
• Toon Link: Wave rider and wind tamer
• ZSS: Light armor, heavy on her toes
• Palutena: Goddess of light
• Pit: Captain of Palutena’s Guard
• Marth: The legendary hero king
• Duck Hunt: The most unlikely pair.
• Robin: Master strategist from Ylisse
• Ike: The radiant hero
• Kirby: Most famous pink puffball of all time
• King Dedede: Warlord King
• Falco: Space pilot and flying ace
• Metaknight: The Master Swordfighter
• Fox: Fiery and Fiery tempered
• Pikachu: Sweet and electric
• Jigglypuff: Charming Balloon Pokemon
• Charizard: Fired up rage
• Lucario: The aura fighter
• Greninja: The unpredictable ninja pokemon
• R.O.B: Hooligan without regret (This was shown to abbreviate to R.O.B. in German)
• Ness: Strong with Psychic energy
• Captain Falcon: Ultra fast F-Zero Pilot
• Shulk: Battle-tried visionary
• Wii Fit Trainer (F)- United champion of good health
• Olimar: Veteran astronaut
• Villager: mayor of smash city
• Pac-Man: Gluten with an appetite for ghost
• Dr. Mario: Winner of throwing pills
• Dark Pit: Doppelganger with dark wings
• Lucina: The Challenger of fate
• Sonic: The Fastest Hedgehog alive
• Mega man: The blue wonderful hero
• Alph: Master engineer with curiosity
• Roy: Without sunglasses nothing goes whatsoever
• Ludwig: Genius with grandeur
• Iggy: Small scoundrel with an awful laughter
• Larry: Captain of the seven henchmen
• Wendy: Know-it-all and reckless
• Lemmy: The star of the crowd*
• Morton: The fighter seeing stars*
• Wii Fit Trainer (M): Always ready for training
• *The word star has two words in German depending on usage

I can't guarantee 100% that these are 100% correctly done, but this was what I could do.

Quajustu (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2015 (EST)

I made your list more cohesive. I don't know if these should be implemented into the page, but I wouldn't be against it (if done right). Laikue (talk | contribs) 22:20, 9 February 2015 (EST)

I feel like we should only have Japanese (original language) and English (language of this wiki) names in the main article, with the others on a subpage in a table. Said subpage could include the main page ones as well for comparison's sake. Miles (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2015 (EST)

I would want these to be checked over for authenticity. There could be some mistakes here and there. Also, could we possibly put a link on the boxing ring stage for a separate article on aliases. Honestly, I had to look up a lot of those words, but I have taken enough German classes to know how the language works. Quajustu (talk) 22:53, 9 February 2015 (EST)

The French Aliases

So, I'm the one who added the french aliases( I also added the German Mewtwo aliases). I took the initiative to add them, since there are the PAL German and Spanish. I am not sure of me, because there isn't any trace of the Italian or Russian one. I hope it would be useful.

If someone is able to tell if that fits in the page...

Killo89 (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2015 (EDT)

Trivia - Keep or Delete?

"Near the end of the Developer Direct released after E3 2013, all the revealed stages on Smash Wii U were shown off in little segments, with Boxing Ring being one of them. However, if one listens closely, no music appears to be playing when Boxing Ring appears. This was probably to conceal the fact that it was a Punch-Out!! stage."

Keep or delete? Permit or omit? Put out or throw out? I'd argue it's speculative, though with good reasoning behind it, speculative nonetheless of the reasons behind why the music didn't play. I'd say it's uninteresting, though that's more subjective than anything I'm sure by consensus it is likely it could be decided as such. I'd also say it's irrelevant, as showing off things in official videos with concealed details to not give things away isn't anything new. Or, in most cases, noteworthy. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:27, 8 October 2015 (EDT)

Speculative and wordy. Delete Serpent∞King (talk) 19:35, 8 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm thinking it could be pruned a bit and it'll be fine. The lack of music at that time may be noteworthy, but the speculative part can go in my opinion. Berrenta (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2015 (EDT)

Gonna delete it then Smashedpotatoes (talk) 03:13, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Hold on a sec. It makes no sense to delete it. I mean, if all it says is music wasn't playing, then people are gonna ask why, aren't they? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 07:01, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

That's no compromise, Serpent. I mean, there's a little less wordiness there. We're talking about the whole package. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

My biggest issue was the wordiness, which I removed. Also, by changing "probably" to "likely", I remove a minimal amount of speculation (I mean, yeah, it's still there, but it's less definite). Serpent∞King (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I see. I kinda just thought the whole thing should be omitted. Something like that is hardly interesting. Kinda wanted a consensus on that.Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:15, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I mean, it's pretty much the same, just a few interchanged words. Haha. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:16, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

It's borderline for sure, but I would say it's worth having. Serpent∞King (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Lez deal wid dat den. Berrenta's input is kinda on the fence, so 2-1 in favor of keeping the whole thing. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I feel like the burden of proof should be on the people in favor of keeping. I mean I already gave my reasons why I think we shouldn't keep it. Let's hear why it's worth having while we wait for votes. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:24, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd like to real quickly point out that picking and choosing what trivia is "interesting" is subjective in itself. Also, this is not really something that can be proven per say Serpent∞King (talk) 07:33, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Obviously, that's true. Then again, alongside general trivia guidelines, there is some sort of undefined line for what is interesting and what is not. With that, I think it's fair to ask for a general consensus: is this interesting enough to be kept? In which case, I'd say no. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:36, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Also there's an issue of noteworthiness. Details being hidden from game videos are nothing new. The magnitude of what is hidden should determine its noteworthiness. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 07:41, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Let me break it down for you. At the time, the Boxing Ring just had its Smash design. People had speculated that it was a Punch-Out!! stage because of this. Sakurai didn't want the stage (and, potentially, Little Mac as a playable character) to be leaked, so he cut the music off for it. I'd say that's pretty important. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 08:48, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Yes, all of that is true, but that doesn't mean it's especially important, or interesting. I'd rather drop this, partially since it's going nowhere and partially because I'm leaving and I started this anyways, and maybe let you keep it, but if anyone wants to continue this they can. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 09:01, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

As it stands, it's 3-1 in favor of keeping (Berrenta's vote is kind of on the fence, but judging by the wording, it seems to me she's in favor of keeping). I think this is fine. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 09:19, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I vote delete. It's subjective, speculative, and uninteresting. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 09:50, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Additional Ultimate languages

Ultimate supports four new languages we don't have titles for here: Russian, Korean, Traditional Chinese, and Simplified Chinese. So let this stand as a to-do comment to add those columns to the table of character titles, and slog through the whole roster to transcribe the names. Thanks to how game languages work on the Switch, this won't be too difficult to achieve. I think we can also confirm the US vs. EU titles for English, Spanish, and French by changing the console region in addition to the selected language. SuperFalconBros (talk) 01:03, 4 November 2018 (EDT)

So, based on the demos currently happening, it seems like the regional versions (English, Spanish, French) may have been condensed into a single set of titles for each language. However, in the Spanish version at least, it's not consistently using one source; for example, Meta Knight uses his NA Spanish name, while Bowser Jr. uses his PAL Spanish name with an additional minor change. Given these changes, I think it will end up much too messy if we try to put the Smash 4 and Ultimate names in the same table. Lots of information will end up duplicated, or the layout will be too complicated. Instead, I think we should have one table on the page with some sort of toggle to switch between the Smash 4 and Ultimate names. Or, if that's not feasible, just bite the bullet and make two new articles: "List of Boxing Ring titles (SSB4)" and "List of Boxing Ring titles (SSBU)". SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:07, 8 November 2018 (EST)

See examples here. SuperFalconBros (talk) 15:02, 8 November 2018 (EST)

I like the idea of game-split subpages regardless of however we eventually decide to do it, to keep the messy side data off the primary page. Toomai Glittershine The Spark 06:36, 9 November 2018 (EST)

I've started drafts here and here. I think I'll mainspace these shortly and replace the section in the main article with a quick blurb about the titles and differences between regions. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:15, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Split

Based on demo footage, it appears that Ultimate does not have different Boxing Ring titles for regional langauge versions (e.g. USA vs. GB, Mexico vs. Spain). It also seems that rather than drawing from just one of the previous regional versions, the titles used in Ultimate are a mix of both versions. For example, from recent demo footage from an event held in Spain, Bowser Jr. has his title from the Spain-Spanish version of Smash 4 (with an additional grammar change), while Meta Knight has his title from the Mexico-Spanish version.

There's no good way to put all this Ultimate information in the same table as the Smash 4 titles, without the layout being extremely complicated and having many of the titles duplicated. Not to mention, Ultimate will need several new columns for new languages that Smash 4 didn't support.

And so, I propose we create two separate articles: List of Boxing Ring titles (SSB4) and List of Boxing Ring titles (SSBU). Drafts are already underway. SuperFalconBros (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2018 (EST)