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==Round 193: [[Kirby (SSBM)]] vs. [[Pichu (SSBM)]]==
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#Kirby is my favorite fictional character ever. --[[User:Dinoboy411|Dinoboy411]] ([[User talk:Dinoboy411|talk]]) 12:27, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#KIRBY IS THE BEST!!!!!!!! --[[User:Kirbyman|Kirbyman]] ([[User talk:Kirbyman|talk]]) 13:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#I have never been the biggest fan of Pichu (understatement), and still believe him to be the absolute worst in Melee, as well as the worst concept for a fighting game character ever conceived. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 14:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 15:21, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#I'm a big Kirby fan, and I've secondary'd him in every Super Smash Bros. game. Kirby is a very bad character in ''Melee,'' but compared to Pichu, he has a better down smash, up smash, back air, down air, up air, and recovery. Plus, Kirby is a little heavier and has longer reach, though the differences in these areas are nearly unnoticeable. Kirby lasts longer against Pichu anyway given that Pichu hurts itself with its own electric attacks. Pichu only has better speed, throws and KO potential, but those don't redeem him enough to place him above Kirby. Pichu is probably the shittiest, stupidest, most uninspired character ever conceived for a ''Super Smash Bros.'' game (or conceived period). Pichu is also perhaps the second worst of all the baby Pokemon, the first being Azurill (though Azurill is easier on the eyes). <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 20:08, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Pink. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:yellow">Ready for Summer</span>]]</span> 18:03, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
#Wether it be the original, melee, or brawl,  Kirby wil always be my best [[User:Bulbaking|Bulbaking]] ([[User talk:Bulbaking|talk]]) 13:37, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
#I like Kirby more than Pichu. Not to much of an argument, but, Kirby still had some techniques that made him at least more useful than Pichu. --<span style="font-family: Sonic XBd BT; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:Conny|<font color="black">Con</font>]][[User talk:Conny|<font color="gray">ny</font>]] [[File:Airconny Snake Sig.png|20px]] </span> 09:40, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
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#Kirbys #1 --[[Special:Contributions/98.253.244.168|98.253.244.168]] 22:13, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#Hi!. Nutsbazooka {{unsigned|NutsBazooka}}
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#First vote :P Anyway Pichu is quite fun to use even though it's really hard to do well with him. [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 12:09, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Pichu's probably my favourite character in the ''Smash'' series. Not to play as, just the character. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:14, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Pichu is the cutest thing ever! Also, finally mine got picked! Woo![[User:Luke5176|Luke5176]] ([[User talk:Luke5176|talk]]) 12:24, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#True Kirby is my third favorite Nintendo character but Pichu is the pre evolution of my favorite Nintendo character, Pikachu. Plus this is a sympathy vote, and the fact that Melee Kirby is completely outclassed by every character. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Lamp 12:39, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Though I do enjoy a good Kirby game every now and then, my favorite short film will always be the Pichu Brothers. --[[File:Fireemblemlogo.png|67px|link=User:FireEmblemFan275]][[User:FireEmblemFan275|<font color="gray">'''Fan'''</font>]][[User talk:FireEmblemFan275|<font color="gold">'''2'''</font><font color="orange">'''7'''</font><font color="maroon">'''5'''</font>]] 13:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Pichu for me, because it's a Pokémon who needs to win a battle. Plus, I wouldn't mind if it makes a return in the next Smash game. I could add more, but I won't.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 18:07, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Kirby is supposed to have a good recovery, decent power and combo ability and functional grabs. But he has none of those things. He's a trash character who is '''much''' better in Brawl. <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 19:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Pichu has actual positives, such as good and fast mobility, a really good recovery, and has some sort of kill power. Melee Kirby is good at absolutely nothing, and only has a decent move or two at best. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:19, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
#Sneaky lil' mofugga. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 17:58, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
#Yeah, a pity vote for the crappiest character in Melee. That's all. [[Special:Contributions/67.166.229.4|67.166.229.4]] 18:18, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#Pichu's my lil' bud. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  13:20, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
# Kirby is great as a character in brawl, 64, and as a character overall, but I had good childhood memories of playing a game with pichu(with my little brother) in training mode. Even though Kirby is slightly better, I'd go with the baby version of pikachu.(at least in this case) [[User:TheAtomicFire|TheAtomicFire]] ([[User talk:TheAtomicFire|talk]]) 09:10, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
# My sister does pretty well with pichu. [[Special:Contributions/71.118.251.239|71.118.251.239]] 23:24, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
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Blue Ninjikoopa, I would say Pichu has a better recovery than Kirby. Kirby's recovery is really predictable in Melee, while Pichu does have quite a lot of ways to return to the stage, like Pikachu. [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 04:19, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
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Round 191: Pokémon Trainer vs. Olimar

Pokémon Trainer SSBB.jpg
Winner!!
Pokémon Trainer
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15.5 to 13
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Two characters that avoid fighting alone and instead send their beloved minions against their local wildlife. Does the kid or the captain win out?

Votes for Pokémon Trainer

  1. Pokémon>Pikmin. And I just don't like how Olimar plays, even though Pokémon trainer is really annoying to play as too. DoctorPain99 14:52, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. Pokemon Trainer was the first character I used, and was my main before I switched. --99.249.196.42 16:28, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. I feel that every character should have at least one win, and I value Pokemon more than any other fictional universe.71.105.121.171 19:06, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. I'm pretty surprised that Olimar is doing this well.75.31.4.16 22:18, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. Maybe I'm just horrible at playing as Olimar, but the randomness of the Pikmin used kinda ruins him for me. That, and I like Pokemon a lot more. Takava (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. Ivysaur's up smash kicks butt and all little olimar can do is throw tiny pikmin kirbyman 7:57 17 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. pokemon trainer allows for 3 characters in one! Moomoos86 10:53 17 June 2013
  8. I like Pokémon better. And Squirtle is my favorite character in Brawl (tied with Luigi)Tepig (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
  9. pokemon trainer is awewsome--75.34.23.14 19:06, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
  10. While I'm not too fond of Pokemon trainer, I just always feel mildly distraught when facing Olimar. Really... Meta Knight doesn't bother me, and Diddy Kong, not really. But Olimar? Freaking. Olimar. --HavocReaper48 22:53, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
  11. The sheer fact that this guy is from Pokémon is enough.174.20.238.87 16:30, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
  12. Pokémon Trainer for sure, Olimar isn't really that useful. Superstarxalien169 (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
  13. Pokemon Trainer could blow away little Olimar in a second. Plus, THREE. DIFFERENT. POKEMON. Sonicmario22 (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2013 (EDT)
  14. Gotta Catch 'Em All! ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 08:53, 21 June 2013 (EDT)

Half-Votes

  1. Three different strategies, and squirtle evolves into my favorite, all-time, fictional character, WARTORTLE!!!!!!! TheWartortlemaster —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.208.252 (talkcontribs) 8:10, 14 June 2013
  2. I hate Olimar's playstyle. I like the PT's three Pokémon, especially Squirtle. 84.92.35.200 11:33, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. Spidermatt777 pokemon trainers pokemon charizards move s are way better (i.e. Rock Smash) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spideermatt777 (talkcontribs) 12:20, June 19, 2013

Votes for Olimar

  1. His gimmick doesn't make him unviable or a skill trap, and he doesn't take up the space of three characters. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 01:25, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. The stamina problems for the Pokémon Trainer and the fact that it has three characters in one, too much. Also I'm probably voting for the underdog Olimar which is probably hard for me to play as but hey, at least he's easier to play than PT. Dots MewtwoMS.png The Engineer 09:28, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. I enjoy playing as both, but Olimar was once a main, so I don't have much of a choice. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 09:45, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. Steve. Terrible is Ready for Summer 11:31, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. Olimar actually does shit to help his Pikmin, unlike Pokemon Trainer who just sits on the side yelling out orders. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 12:02, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. I'm quite sure that not very few, if any, Smasher wants to bother with P.T., so...67.166.229.4 17:57, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. "Didn't play with Olimar for a while, so I may be a little rusty...". Famous lines said before I fell on the battlefield, and ultimately lost (you know who you are). -- Conny Airconny Snake Sig.png 22:32, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
  8. I am very sorry Pokemon Trainer, but I just noticed that during All-Star, it takes 3 Pokemon to defeat! So I'm sticking with Olimar Giratina720 (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
  9. O-Ri-Ma>Ma-Ri-O LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 18:42, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
  10. Gotta go with Captain Olimar here. While both are interesting and extremely unique fighters, I think Olimar is better suited for combat and just a bit more fun to play as. レ∆ㄅ User talk:Lasifer 05:03, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
  11. --64.130.180.158 19:05, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
  12. I'll go with Olimar in this one.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 14:35, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

Half-Votes

  1. Leader of an army, or a 10-year-old boy? Hmm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.170.70 (talkcontribs) 09:39, June 16, 2013
  2. Olimar gets my vote. Also, wouldnt Pokemon Trainer vs Wii Fit Trainer make sense? --69.242.121.244 09:59, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Comments

How come my vote was put in the half votes section? 84.92.35.200 15:34, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

You didn't correctly put in the number. In the future, type in # instead of the number itself. Terrible is Ready for Summer 10:32, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Round 192: Reflector vs. PSI Magnet

The Reflector, when used by Fox.
Winner!!
Reflector
The Reflector, when used by Fox.

18 to 7
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The quintessential reflection and absorption moves. Which projectile-countering technique will turn away the competition and catch the victory?

Votes for Reflector

  1. I actually don't use either technique, so I'm voting for Reflector because Star Fox characters use them.71.105.121.171 23:45, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. I believe the morning sun. Always gonna shine again and. Dots MewtwoMS.png The EarthBound 23:48, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. Best move in Melee hands down.--BrianDon't try me!Falco.gif 00:27, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. Stuff and stuff DoctorPain99 01:04, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. Shine combos FTW Scr7Wolfsig.png 03:17, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. Can PSI Magnet protect you from non-energy projectiles? ...yeah, I didn't think so! 67.166.229.4 11:50, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. If you can't absorb an enemy thrown at you in a Mario Bros. stage, a Reflector is what you truly need.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 20:18, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  8. You reflect almost every attack when someone tries to attack you! Giratina 720Giratina720.png 00:00, 23 June 2013 (EDT)
  9. If only the move was a one-framer. LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 00:41, 23 June 2013 (EDT)
  10. The reflector can deal damage, so it's defensive and offensive! Bulbaking (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2013 (EDT)
  11. Beast move in Melee. Naked Snake 200px-Naked Snake.jpg 22:40, 23 June 2013 (EDT)
  12. Good move with Falco 71.101.104.26 20:52, 24 June 2013 (EDT)
  13. Shine combos, that's all. Smash Master.exe 02:22, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
  14. Reflector. Useful for fooling fools in smash. Superstarxalien169's smashbox. (talk) 17:20, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
  15. My older brother once fooled me so badly when he reflected next to me when I was younger. I thought that he was invincible for as long as he held the reflector up. I think the match might have been timed out, or I discovered it was a trick, but I don't remember. Plus, the reflector is mure useful. BlueRidiculous 21:04, 26 June 2013 (EDT)
  16. I don't really use either, but I like reflector way more than PSI Magnet Sonicmario22 (talk) 08:16, 27 June 2013 (EDT)
  17. I HAVE RETURNED FROM THE GRAVE ONCE AGAIN. Also, no matter how many times i've used PSI Magnet, i've never seen it do anything. The Reflector is useful because it not only reflects projectiles, but also does close-range damage. --Fireemblemlogo.pngFan275 03:00, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

Half-votes

  1. i perfer reflector —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.23.14 (talkcontribs) 15:56, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. I just love throwing their things back at them. NutsBazooka —Preceding unsigned comment added by NutsBazooka (talkcontribs) 02:35, 28 June 2013 (EDT)

Votes for PSI Magnet

  1. Lucas is currently my best character and being able to heal is invaluable. Casundrud (talk) 08:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. I choose PSI magnet more or less because you heal from the shot when if reflected can be avoided by guarding fast, jumping or sidestepping.70.24.174.249 09:30, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. Earthbound. Terrible is Ready for Summer 10:09, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. In Earthbound this is actually a pretty useful move, though in Smash its applications are limited. Mr. AnonAnon.pngtalk 13:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. 75.31.4.16 17:08, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. 2 Reasons, EarthBound and Healing. GormanLuigi The Circus Leader's Mask from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 14:24, 25 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. EarthBound on VC! Yeah! ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 07:26, 27 June 2013 (EDT)

Comments

Round 193: Kirby (SSBM) vs. Pichu (SSBM)

Kirby in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
Winner!!
Pichu
Pichu in Super Smash Bros. Melee.

9 to 13
Pichu in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
These two pals just can't get it together in Melee's tournament scene, having been fumbled around in the bottom quarter of characters for the game's entire lifespan. One of these two will move on to represent Melee in a future low-tier showdown - who will it be?

Votes for Kirby (SSBM)

  1. Kirby is my favorite fictional character ever. --Dinoboy411 (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. KIRBY IS THE BEST!!!!!!!! --Kirbyman (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. I have never been the biggest fan of Pichu (understatement), and still believe him to be the absolute worst in Melee, as well as the worst concept for a fighting game character ever conceived. DoctorPain99 14:33, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. 75.31.4.16 15:21, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. I'm a big Kirby fan, and I've secondary'd him in every Super Smash Bros. game. Kirby is a very bad character in Melee, but compared to Pichu, he has a better down smash, up smash, back air, down air, up air, and recovery. Plus, Kirby is a little heavier and has longer reach, though the differences in these areas are nearly unnoticeable. Kirby lasts longer against Pichu anyway given that Pichu hurts itself with its own electric attacks. Pichu only has better speed, throws and KO potential, but those don't redeem him enough to place him above Kirby. Pichu is probably the shittiest, stupidest, most uninspired character ever conceived for a Super Smash Bros. game (or conceived period). Pichu is also perhaps the second worst of all the baby Pokemon, the first being Azurill (though Azurill is easier on the eyes). blue ninjakoopa 20:08, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. Pink. Terrible is Ready for Summer 18:03, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. Wether it be the original, melee, or brawl, Kirby wil always be my best Bulbaking (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
  8. I like Kirby more than Pichu. Not to much of an argument, but, Kirby still had some techniques that made him at least more useful than Pichu. -- Conny Airconny Snake Sig.png 09:40, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

Half-votes

  1. Kirbys #1 --98.253.244.168 22:13, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
  2. Hi!. Nutsbazooka —Preceding unsigned comment added by NutsBazooka (talkcontribs) {{{2}}}

Votes for Pichu (SSBM)

  1. First vote :P Anyway Pichu is quite fun to use even though it's really hard to do well with him. Scr7Wolfsig.png 12:09, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  2. Pichu's probably my favourite character in the Smash series. Not to play as, just the character. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatumA transparent image of Swadloon for my sig. 12:14, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  3. Pichu is the cutest thing ever! Also, finally mine got picked! Woo!Luke5176 (talk) 12:24, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  4. True Kirby is my third favorite Nintendo character but Pichu is the pre evolution of my favorite Nintendo character, Pikachu. Plus this is a sympathy vote, and the fact that Melee Kirby is completely outclassed by every character. Dots MewtwoMS.png The Lamp 12:39, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  5. Though I do enjoy a good Kirby game every now and then, my favorite short film will always be the Pichu Brothers. --Fireemblemlogo.pngFan275 13:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  6. Pichu for me, because it's a Pokémon who needs to win a battle. Plus, I wouldn't mind if it makes a return in the next Smash game. I could add more, but I won't.71.105.121.171 18:07, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  7. Kirby is supposed to have a good recovery, decent power and combo ability and functional grabs. But he has none of those things. He's a trash character who is much better in Brawl. LightningBlueFrom Bulbapedia 19:49, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  8. Pichu has actual positives, such as good and fast mobility, a really good recovery, and has some sort of kill power. Melee Kirby is good at absolutely nothing, and only has a decent move or two at best. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:19, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
  9. Sneaky lil' mofugga. - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 17:58, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
  10. Yeah, a pity vote for the crappiest character in Melee. That's all. 67.166.229.4 18:18, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
  11. Pichu's my lil' bud. ChuckNorrisFor usage in ChuckNorris24's signature. 13:20, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
  12. Kirby is great as a character in brawl, 64, and as a character overall, but I had good childhood memories of playing a game with pichu(with my little brother) in training mode. Even though Kirby is slightly better, I'd go with the baby version of pikachu.(at least in this case) TheAtomicFire (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
  13. My sister does pretty well with pichu. 71.118.251.239 23:24, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

Blue Ninjikoopa, I would say Pichu has a better recovery than Kirby. Kirby's recovery is really predictable in Melee, while Pichu does have quite a lot of ways to return to the stage, like Pikachu. Scr7Wolfsig.png 04:19, 30 June 2013 (EDT)