Forum:Cloned final smash pages

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This discussion is in regards to a proposed change on SmashWiki. The discussion must first meet with a consensus before it is implemented.

About a month ago Daisy Blossom was merged with Peach Blossom on the basis that those two were identical Final Smashes. Notably this makes it the only final smash with a different name to be on the same page as its "parent" final smash. Now it was brought up on my talk page about how the other "cloned" final smashes should be handled, specifically Doctor Finale, Phazon Laser, Team Star Wolf and Dream Town Hall, as they are considered somewhat identical to Mario Finale, Zero Laser, Team Star Fox and Dream Home respectively. Now what makes these final smashes different from Daisy Blossom is that there are some gameplay differences between their parent final smashes (e.g. some deal more damage and knockback), whereas Daisy Blossom has no differences at all from Peach's besides visuals.

Last year a similar proposal was put up on the General proposals to decide how we should merge and split moves, however that one was rather messy and was focused on many other moves (such as special moves) rather than just these cloned final smashes. This proposal however will be focused only on these cloned final smashes. So here are the things we can do:

• Merge the cloned final smash pages with their parent pages

• Seperate the cloned final smash pages with different names

• Only merge identical final smashes This means only final smashes with no gameplay differences will be merged, while others will be kept seperate.

OmegαToαd64 • the Best Kαrter 05:46, May 22, 2020 (EDT)

Split the Final Smash pages

*I am pretty sure that for special moves we have decided that different name + even small gameplay differences (i.e. Cape and Super Sheet) are enough for separating. I see no reason why this can't be applied for Final Smashes, and therefore I support keeping them split. --Rdrfc (talk) 06:07, May 22, 2020 (EDT)

Only merge Final Smash pages that have no gameplay differences

1. This wasn't here when I first voted. Anyway, this is the one that I actually support. basically keeping the current status quo.--Rdrfc (talk) 10:55, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
2. The whole purpose of merging Peach and Daisy Blossom was that they were functionally identical in every way, so giving them both their own article is a waste of space. While the wiki has been somewhat inconsistent in the past about these things, it's generally common practise now to not merge moves that are similar, but not identical, to their cloned counterparts (see the recent splits for Megavitamins and Super Sheet for example), and I see no reason why we shouldn't apply the same principal to final smashes. Alex the Weeb 07:56, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

Comments

If you're suggesting that we treat final smashes with gameplay differences the same way we treat functionally identical final smashes, then I think you've kind of missed the point... Alex the Weeb 06:10, May 22, 2020 (EDT)

...Well that just reminded me of one option I left out of this when making this. OmegαToαd64 • the Best Kαrter 06:27, May 22, 2020 (EDT)

OK I added a third option for final smashes without gameplay affecting differnces to be merged. This would mean only Phazon Laser and Dream Town Hall will be merged, and the others will be kept split due to gameplay differences (I don't recall any differences with phazon laser but correct me if I'm wrong). Admittedly I was in a rush when writing this and didn't have time to proofread. I would actually remove the first option since that's probably not gonna work but it's probably too late. OmegαToαd64 • the Best Kαrter 09:32, May 22, 2020 (EDT)

Phazon Laser lacks the thrusters, while Dream Town Hall deals 5% more damage. Under previously established rules, Phazon Laser absolutely should not be merged, but Dream Town Hall might, it's a bit of a gray area. I am leaning towards not merging it though because unlike Daisy Blossom there is a minute gameplay difference. --Rdrfc (talk) 10:55, May 22, 2020 (EDT)