Talk:Balanced Brawl

I removed a lot of out of date information from the page recently, including updating the link and acknowledging recent project credit. These were reverted; is there some policy or style guideline I am unaware of that was violated? I can confirm that the pruning was appropriate--the information removed was outdated and false. I will make an effort to flesh out the page with substantial updated content today or tomorrow. In the meantime, I have restored the edits that remove the incorrect old material. Thinkaman (talk) 17:56, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not that I don't believe you, but when you remove substantial content, it is always good to provide links/reasons on the talk page. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think we should have a list of the changes. It's pretty large, and if people are interested enough in them, they should just go to the website. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 18:19, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

I was looking through my fabulously written mod article that I think is the best damn thing on this Wiki our page on Gameplay modification and I started thinking about Balanced Brawl's qualifications to be on the Wiki.

While this article has been held onto a while, I have begun to question its importance to the Wiki.

• Looking up "Balanced Brawl" on SmashWiki yields no notable tournaments that have used Balanced Brawl as part of its events. Brawl+ (S.N.E.S., Apex 2010), Brawl- (Apex 2010), and Project M (The Big House 5 and countless others) have all had notable side events (or tournaments themselves for PM).
• Balanced Brawl is of questionable notability in the history of mods. It's not like Brawl+, 19XXTE or SD Remix in that it's not the first mod of its type, nor is it like Project M in that it got its own huge tournament scene. I don't think Balanced Brawl ever developed a tournament scene of its own in the first place.
• Looking at this page's edit history, it seems the article was started by a user who never editted SmashWiki outside of starting this one article. By comparison, most of our other gameplay mod articles were started by arguably "notable" users (that's a bit of a dirty word, sorry). Probably doesn't count for much, but still gives an idea what we're dealing with.

Ultimately, Balanced Brawl itself never seemed to become very popular in the first place. Coupled with lack of tournament presence and lack of notability in the modding world, Balanced Brawl does not seem to warrant an article.

I'm still on the fence on whether or not this article is worth keeping, but I guess I'm slightly closer to the delete camp. I'd like to hear some input first, obviously.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 23:27, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm in favor of deletion. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 23:32, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

If that's true, then delete and merge whatever relevant content there is to another page. John PK SMAAAASH!! 00:30, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

To where, though?

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 00:31, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I was thinking to another page that listed mods, like Gameplay modification or File replacement. But if you really don't think it is notable at all, maybe it should have its content removed altogether. John PK SMAAAASH!! 00:38, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Oppose this has the same amount of notability as Brawl + and Brawl- Poultry(talk) the God-Slayer 16:02, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

This page is too big as it is: if we were to merge it, we'd have to cut out the specific character changes (which I am 100% ok with). I was actually thinking: what if we had a "List of Brawl mods" (or similar)? We'd merge Brawl+ and Brawl- there as well. PM would get a short section {{main}}'d to Project M. Serpent King 17:06, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Sounds good, but what about our huge Brawl- character changes page? John PK SMAAAASH!! 17:10, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

As I mentioned before, it's already way more than we need. (I still want to collapse PM back to one or two pages too, but that's a separate issue). Miles (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Delete per everyone else. Disaster Flare (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Poultry: I've provided evidence as to why Balanced Brawl isn't notable. If you're going to prove otherwise, provide evidence of your own. An argument without reasoning is of no value in a debate.

Those who support a merge: Ultimately, we already have a page that briefly documents all such notable hacks. To merge this page with that would be silly, given that mods listed on the page have their own pages.

And for those who find the idea of deleting our character changes page undesirable, you're always free to move it to your userspace.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 19:30, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, Delete. Only mod that doesn't seem to have any people still using it. Penro 20:20, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Fair point. K I move to delete and will be doing it tonight if no one objects. Serpent King 17:45, 15 June 2016 (EDT)