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(→‎Formula: Tested SSBB and Wii U. Also tested SSBM the other day by using giant, mushroomed Giga Bowser up smash (Only way I could get close to the limits) and it was 20 with and without cc)
(→‎Formula: Finished. Everything mentioned on the page has been tested. "h", "e", "s" order is impossible to test because of the commutative property, but it doesn't really matter. The spirit formula could be incorporated in the standard formula as a variable, but it may get confusing and competitive players are allergic to casual stuff)
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*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;&lfloor;d/3 + 3&rfloor; * e&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;&lfloor;d/3 + 3&rfloor; * e&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.3846154<!--it is stored as a 0.3846154 multiplier in battle_object.bin; it does not divide by 2.6--> + 5) * h * e&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.3846154<!--it is stored as a 0.3846154 multiplier in battle_object.bin; it does not divide by 2.6--> + 5) * h * e&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.65 * p + 6) * h * e&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
*In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.65 * p + 6) * h * e * s&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code>
**When [[spirit]]s are enabled in the [[Rules]] and the above formula exceeds 15 frames (10 when crouch cancelling), it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.65 * p + 6) * h * e&rfloor; * 0.3 + 10.5&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code><ref group="note">This formula is used even if no spirits are used. In [[Training Mode]], after version {{SSBU|3.0.0}}, this formula is only applied when a spirit is used.</ref>
**When [[spirit]]s are enabled in the [[Rules]] and the above formula exceeds 15 frames (10 when crouch cancelling), it is <code>&lfloor;&lfloor;&lfloor;(d * 0.65 * p + 6) * h * e * s&rfloor; * 0.3 + 10.5&rfloor; * c&rfloor;</code><ref group="note">This formula is used even if no spirits are used. In [[Training Mode]], after version {{SSBU|3.0.0}}, this formula is only applied when a spirit is used.</ref>


The values correspond to the following:
The values correspond to the following (all apply to both the attacker and victim unless stated otherwise):
*'''d''', the amount of [[damage]] an attack would deal (rounded up in ''Smash 64'')
*'''d''', the amount of [[damage]] an attack would deal (rounded up in ''Smash 64'')
**[[Stale move negation|Stale/fresh]] damage is factored. The [[1v1 multiplier]] and [[shield damage]] is not factored.
*'''e''', [[electric]] effect; 1.5× (for the victim only in ''Melee'', and for both the attacker and victim in every other game)
*'''e''', [[electric]] effect; 1.5× (for the victim only in ''Melee'', and for both the attacker and victim in every other game)
*'''c''', [[crouch cancel]]ing; 0.666667× in ''Melee'' and 0.67× in ''Brawl'' onward (applied to the victim only in all games)
*'''c''', [[crouch cancel]]ing; 0.666667× in ''Melee'' and 0.67× in ''Brawl'' onward (applied to the victim only in all games)
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***In ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4'' prior to version [[1.1.0]], [[shield]]ing opponents were not affected by these hitlag multipliers; therefore, moves with below-average multipliers were safer on shield, while those with above-average multipliers were less safe, as the attacker experienced less or more hitlag (respectively) than the shield user. Beginning in version 1.1.0 of ''Smash 4'', shields are properly affected by hitlag multipliers, therefore removing the difference in shield safety caused by them.
***In ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4'' prior to version [[1.1.0]], [[shield]]ing opponents were not affected by these hitlag multipliers; therefore, moves with below-average multipliers were safer on shield, while those with above-average multipliers were less safe, as the attacker experienced less or more hitlag (respectively) than the shield user. Beginning in version 1.1.0 of ''Smash 4'', shields are properly affected by hitlag multipliers, therefore removing the difference in shield safety caused by them.
****In ''Smash 4'', starting in version 1.1.0, if the hitlag multiplier of a move is higher than 1×, it is multiplied by 0.8× if it hits a shield, though without dropping below 1×. For example, the 1.25× hitlag multiplier of Marth's tippers is reduced to 1× if they are shielded. This applies only to the attacker in 1.1.0, and to both the attacker and victim from [[1.1.1]] onward. As a result, in the former case, moves with above-average hitlag are effectively safer on shield, while in the latter case, shielding them merely reduces the usual hitlag period.
****In ''Smash 4'', starting in version 1.1.0, if the hitlag multiplier of a move is higher than 1×, it is multiplied by 0.8× if it hits a shield, though without dropping below 1×. For example, the 1.25× hitlag multiplier of Marth's tippers is reduced to 1× if they are shielded. This applies only to the attacker in 1.1.0, and to both the attacker and victim from [[1.1.1]] onward. As a result, in the former case, moves with above-average hitlag are effectively safer on shield, while in the latter case, shielding them merely reduces the usual hitlag period.
*'''s''', shielding; 0.67×
**Hitlag multipliers less than 1× are ignored if shielding. This is especially noticeable for moves such as {{SSBU|Cloud}}'s [[Limit Break|Limit]] [[Cross Slash]], which normally uses a hitlag multiplier of 0.3× for its linking hits; the move's hits transition considerably slower if it hits a shield.
*'''p''', based on player count:
*'''p''', based on player count:
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|0.75
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*In ''Ultimate'', if a move is shielded, hitlag is multiplied by 0.67× for both the attacker and victim, and the move's hitlag multiplier is ignored if it is lower than 1×. This is especially noticeable for moves such as {{SSBU|Cloud}}'s [[Limit Break|Limit]] [[Cross Slash]], which normally uses a hitlag multiplier of 0.3× for its linking hits; the move's hits transition considerably slower if it hits a shield.


As shown by the formulas, the general amount of hitlag on moves is at its lowest in ''Melee'', and has since increased throughout the series, with ''Ultimate'' having the most hitlag. In all games, hitlag is higher the more damage a move deals. For example, weak attacks such as [[Mario]]'s [[jab]] have minimal hitlag, but the hitlag of strong or {{b|sweetspot|hitbox}}ed attacks can last much longer; up to a maximum of 20 frames in ''Melee'', and 30 frames (20 for the victim if crouch cancelling) from ''Brawl'' onward. In addition, ''Brawl'' introduced the mechanic of hitlag modifiers, causing variance in the hitlag duration of attacks; this is in contrast to ''Melee'' and ''Smash 64'', where the duration of hitlag was predictable.
As shown by the formulas, the general amount of hitlag on moves is at its lowest in ''Melee'', and has since increased throughout the series, with ''Ultimate'' having the most hitlag. In all games, hitlag is higher the more damage a move deals. For example, weak attacks such as [[Mario]]'s [[jab]] have minimal hitlag, but the hitlag of strong or {{b|sweetspot|hitbox}}ed attacks can last much longer; up to a maximum of 20 frames in ''Melee'', and 30 frames (20 for the victim if crouch cancelling) from ''Brawl'' onward. In addition, ''Brawl'' introduced the mechanic of hitlag modifiers, causing variance in the hitlag duration of attacks; this is in contrast to ''Melee'' and ''Smash 64'', where the duration of hitlag was predictable.

Revision as of 10:37, June 15, 2021

Formula

The formula for calculating the number of frames of hitlag experienced by both the attacker and victim has been different for most of the games (⌊x⌋ means to round down):

The values correspond to the following (all apply to both the attacker and victim unless stated otherwise):

  • d, the amount of damage an attack would deal (rounded up in Smash 64)
  • e, electric effect; 1.5× (for the victim only in Melee, and for both the attacker and victim in every other game)
  • c, crouch canceling; 0.666667× in Melee and 0.67× in Brawl onward (applied to the victim only in all games)
  • h, hitlag multiplier; defined by every hitbox and defaults to 1×
    • For example, the majority of Marth's attacks have a hitlag multiplier of 1.25× if the tipper connects, and 0.7× otherwise.
    • Some moves are coded to deal no hitlag at all, either by being given a hitlag multiplier of 0× or using a special parameter that disables hitlag when turned on. Examples of such moves are Bowser Bomb in Brawl and Falco's Reflector in Smash 4.
      • In Brawl and Smash 4 prior to version 1.1.0, shielding opponents were not affected by these hitlag multipliers; therefore, moves with below-average multipliers were safer on shield, while those with above-average multipliers were less safe, as the attacker experienced less or more hitlag (respectively) than the shield user. Beginning in version 1.1.0 of Smash 4, shields are properly affected by hitlag multipliers, therefore removing the difference in shield safety caused by them.
        • In Smash 4, starting in version 1.1.0, if the hitlag multiplier of a move is higher than 1×, it is multiplied by 0.8× if it hits a shield, though without dropping below 1×. For example, the 1.25× hitlag multiplier of Marth's tippers is reduced to 1× if they are shielded. This applies only to the attacker in 1.1.0, and to both the attacker and victim from 1.1.1 onward. As a result, in the former case, moves with above-average hitlag are effectively safer on shield, while in the latter case, shielding them merely reduces the usual hitlag period.
  • s, shielding; 0.67×
    • Hitlag multipliers less than 1× are ignored if shielding. This is especially noticeable for moves such as Cloud's Limit Cross Slash, which normally uses a hitlag multiplier of 0.3× for its linking hits; the move's hits transition considerably slower if it hits a shield.
  • p, based on player count:
Players 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Ultimate 1.0 0.925 0.862 0.8116 0.77464 0.752464 0.75

As shown by the formulas, the general amount of hitlag on moves is at its lowest in Melee, and has since increased throughout the series, with Ultimate having the most hitlag. In all games, hitlag is higher the more damage a move deals. For example, weak attacks such as Mario's jab have minimal hitlag, but the hitlag of strong or sweetspoted attacks can last much longer; up to a maximum of 20 frames in Melee, and 30 frames (20 for the victim if crouch cancelling) from Brawl onward. In addition, Brawl introduced the mechanic of hitlag modifiers, causing variance in the hitlag duration of attacks; this is in contrast to Melee and Smash 64, where the duration of hitlag was predictable.

Hitlag only affects the object that deals the damage; all other game elements (including, interestingly enough, any particle effects the attack generated) are uninterrupted. For example, both Captain Falcon and his opponent sustain hitlag upon a sweetspotted Knee Smash, while Samus' movement is not interrupted by a Charge Shot hitting someone, since it is a projectile not attached to her. Hitlag affects the attacker as long as the attack connects, even if it deals no damage as a result of hitting opponents with invincibility. Hitlag is also exaggerated if two attacks clash, or if an attack is perfect shielded; in the latter case, the attacker suffers from hitlag while the defender receives none. Additionally, if an attack deals no knockback, the target does not experience any hitlag.

Attacks with the electric effect are unique in that they increase the amount of hitlag, multiplying the number of frames by 1.5 (rounded down), which stacks with the hitlag multiplier that the move otherwise has (for example, an electric attack with a hitlag multiplier of 1.2 deals 1.8 times the amount of hitlag). Interestingly, in Smash 4 if a character is hit by an electric attack from another, and either character is affected by slowdown (such as the Timer item), then the target receives additional hitlag, while the attacker does not. This phenomenon does not occur with non-electric attacks, even those that have a hitlag multiplier.

Notes

  1. ^ This formula is used even if no spirits are used. In Training Mode, after version 3.0.0, this formula is only applied when a spirit is used.