Talk:List of spirits (Final Fantasy series)

No confirmed spirits?

All the other series had confirmed spirits to list. But this page has nothing. Shouldn't we have at least one Final Fantasy spirit confirmed before starting this page? Someone started this page with Zack, but he was removed because no one can find him. I think maybe this page should be deleted until we find a Final Fantasy spirit, but with the game's release in three weeks, it might be a bad time to delete this. But it's easy for an admin to restore pages after they've been deleted, right? Like going into the deletion log and click on "Restore," right? But it might be pointless to delete now only to restore in three weeks. But this article feels redundant without any spirits to list, and with the low amount of representation Final Fantasy is getting, there is a chance that there might not be any spirits. So what should we do? SeanWheeler (talk) 15:54, 16 November 2018 (EST)

Reference List of stickers (Ice Climber series). FF probably only Cloud's spirit, like Trophies of SSB4.--Tyughvbnsi (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2018 (EST)

It could be, but has it been confirmed that all fighters would have spirits? SeanWheeler (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2018 (EST)

This page should only be deleted if there are no FF spirits found after the game releases. There are "Fighter Spirits", which would indicate that all fighters would/will get one. If after the game is released, and not even Cloud received a Spirit, then this page should probably be deleted.

We keep this page until after the game releases, not all spirits have been confirmed yet. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 18:14, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Don't delete it yet-there are likely hundreds and hundreds of more spirits we don't know about yet, and there might be a Cloud one floating around somewhere! Collateralshrek (talk) 18:16, 23 November 2018 (EST)

I only mentioned it as someone added the "consideration for deletion" on the page with the reasoning behind it being that no spirits have found yet. The game's not even out yet! Wolff (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Personally, I hate that there are no FF spirits yet. It's annoying. CleffaGirl173 18:35, 23 November 2018 (EST)

I would assume it would be what copyrighted contract the artwork is part of (same goes for the music). In theory, they could want to include more content, but are prevented if the content is under a contract preventing it. Also in theory, Onion Knight from FF III, Bartz Klauser from FF V or Terra Branford from FF VI could be in Smash (in some form) as they were said to had been in consideration as fighters instead of Cloud, but the issue currently appears to be more about the art and music instead of the characters themselves. Could very well be the case if they were to use one of Cloud's Smash artwork for his "Fighter Spirit" instead of one from the FF series. (Assuming he gets one and "Fighter Spirits" use non Smash art.) I do hope FF (and possibly more Square IPs) is represented with spirits, but we'll just have to wait for the game's release. Wolff (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Even if the game's not out yet, someone should have waited for a Final Fantasy spirit to be confirmed before starting up the page, and at least found a image confirming the spirit. But we may need to wait for the game's release before actually deleting the page. But the deletion tag should stay up until someone finds a spirit related to Final Fantasy. SeanWheeler (talk) 20:30, 23 November 2018 (EST)

I guess whoever did was just working in advance for all the series so we could just add as they came instead of making them as they came. It's understandable in that scene. Wolff (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Well actually it did start with a spirit on here, and we just accepted it as fact that he was a spirit until someone said otherwise. Collateralshrek (talk) 20:37, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Yeah, someone started this article and only put Zack on the list. But since there was no image or source and no one could find Zack Fair in any of the footage available, he was removed, leaving this page as a blank list that looks very redundant right now. Maybe if someone could find Zack Fair or any Final Fantasy character, it could save this page. Maybe confirmation that all fighters would have a spirit like Daisy and automatically confirms Cloud's spirit can save this page. But right now, Cloud's spirit is speculative as are the other Fighter Spirits who are not Daisy. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2018 (EST)

It would appear that some copies of Ultimate were released prematurely, and that someone data mined the total amount of Spirits in the game. According to the list, FF has a total of two Spirits (just like its music), being "Cloud" and "Cloud (Advent Children)". I'm assuming "Cloud" is his "Fighter Spirit". Wolff (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2018 (EST)

How are people getting copies a week early? 97.88.58.90 14:09, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Because some stores (In Mexico I think?) broke street date and released the game prematurely two weeks prior. If that wasn't bad enough, someone uploaded a rom of the game online for people to download into their hacked Switches, which is where all the early "data mine" stuff came from in a matter of hours of the reveal of the premature copies. (Also, some have witnessed the first 3 Ultimate Amiibo were released prematurely a week prior) Hope that cleared some things up! (Please correct anything I got wrong!) Wolff (talk) 00:27, 3 December 2018 (EST)

So many beloved characters from multiple franchises wiped out by the ultimate enemy, has their bodies torn asunder, being turned into spirits, and yet the Final Fantasy characters turned out to be OK. Either that or Cloud was somehow sucked into a wormhole into the Smash Bros Universe before that happened. 203.219.10.149 21:10, 26 December 2018 (EST)

A bad sign

Y'know, it is NEVER a good sign when Modern KONAMI is being more generous than Square. CleffaGirl173 (talk) 11:44, 28 November 2018 (EST)

What does that have to do with the article? SeanWheeler (talk) 12:57, 28 November 2018 (EST)

The connection to the article is the fact that Konami has, for the past several years, been treating the majority of their IP's very poorly. However with the inclusion of Simon and the return of Snake, as well as various other Konami references for Castlevania and Metal Gear, they have been more then generous. However Square Enix, despite how vastly popular the Final Fantasy trademark is, and even FF7 it self, we have literally bare bones representation.
Ixbran (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2018 (EST)

This isn't the right place for that. DryKirby64 (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)

The trivia that keeps getting removed

I heavily argue against its removal; it was big enough to be seen numerous times across social media, and it was even brought up on this very talk page. It's lengthy, sure, but it kind of needs to be, given its story. Aidan, the Festive Rurouni 19:24, 30 December 2018 (EST)

There's a place for it somewhere, but in this context, it's not worthy of mentioning in my opinion. The explanation has to be lengthy in order to drive the point across, but it goes against the structure for trivia points themselves. Trivia points are almost always short, sweet, and to the point. I feel it needs to be removed from this section. 15DollarsWentSouth 02:30, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah I totally agree. Even disregarding the structure/length point, the incident itself didn't even receive enough notice to consider being a trivia point imo. Pokebub (talk) 03:58, 21 January 2019 (EST)

I again have to argue against this; it was mentioned enough numerous times across social media (not constantly, I will admit, but consistently enough to be seen more than once), and only ceased after I said something (which may or may not be a coincidence). As for the length thing, there are quite a few trivia points on this wiki that are lengthy (though not quite as lengthy as this), and, while I know that we don't function like other wikis, I'm fairly certain I've seen other lengthy trivia points on other NIWA wikis (don't quote me on that though). Aidan, the Rurouni 09:10, 22 January 2019 (EST)

If it's not an epidemic that rivals the ranks of, say, the ESRB Super Smash Bros. for 3DS leak, it's not notable enough to include as a trivia point; there's just too much opinionated statements spread throughout. The description itself also tends to focus on aspects that go beyond typical trivia points on the wiki (i.e. the "given nature" of Square Enix). In the end, I see nothing salvageable from this entry as it stands, as it's just not to the levels of professionalism we at SmashWiki tend to uphold. I stand by my motion to remove the trivia point. 15DollarsWentSouth 21:25, 22 January 2019 (EST)

Cloud in World of Light

Despite what the main article states, Cloud actually is in World of Light. Specifically, he's in the "Sacred Realm" sub-area within the "Dark Realm". 97.88.58.90 02:19, 11 January 2019 (EST)