Talk:List of Copy Abilities/Archive 1

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Where should these pages go? Merging the copy ability pages to the inhale page would make the page too long, but I don't know what else to do with them. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:47, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

General Glitchery

Before adding a bunch of random information, i figured i would ask about its usefulness. In this game, presumably due to its primitive nature, Kirby's copy abilities never quite function as they should. For example, using Jigglypuff's Pound near the edge of a platform towards the edge can actually propel Kirby off of it (being able to travel surprisingly high distances if it goes off near the end of the animation), unlike Jigglypuff's, which remains on the ledge under all circumstances. Kirby can also throw Link's Boomerang through walls if he touches them, being able to hit players through the roof of Saffron City from the pit near the Helipad with absolutely no effort. Would this type of information go on this page or another? Oasidu (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

I think they would best belong here, since they aren't notable enough for their own pages and don't fit as well on the pages about the original moves. Toomai Glittershine The Xanthic 16:36, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

In that case, i suppose i'll put the information in the corresponding "Notes" sections and fill in what i know, and then try to research that which i don't. Feel freeto move it elsewhere on the page if you deem it necessary. Oasidu (talk) 18:47, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Move this and related articles to "Copy Ability (respective game)" (with the 'a' in "ability" capitalized)

The Kirby games officially refer to the powers Kirby gets from swallowing his enemies as Copy Abilities, treating the term as a proper noun. Smash Bros., however, doesn't seem to have a defined a way to refer to them. The Kirby Hat 1 trophy in Melee, for example, only capitalizes the 'c' in "Copy" when using the term. The DOJO!! doesn't treat it as a proper noun either. Both contexts refer to Kirby's ability to copy another character's powers, not the powers themselves. That said, those sources can't be used as the be-all end-all. I think we should move these pages back to "Copy Ability (game)". Thoughts? Blue Ninjakoopa 17:15, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I think we should do one of the following:

1. As list articles, make them something like "List of copy abilities (game)", or "List of moves copyable by Kirby (game)".
2. As a subset of the Inhale move, make them something like "Inhale/Copyable moves (game)". Toomai Glittershine The Golden 17:57, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I like option #1, moving the pages to "List of copy abilities (game)". Rtzxy Reflect!!! 18:08, 9 November 2014 (EST)

I support option one as well. But what of the title? Will we capitalize the 'c' and the 'a' in those words? Blue Ninjakoopa 18:31, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Hello? Blue Ninjakoopa 23:53, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Since Copy Ability (SSB4) and Copy Ability (disambiguation) were moved properly, we should really move them with capital "A"s for consistency reasons. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 23:57, 10 November 2014 (EST)

I don't think they should be capitalized. Toomai Glittershine The Awesome 00:00, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Why not? Blue Ninjakoopa 00:02, 11 November 2014 (EST)

If Smash Bros. doesn't treat it like a proper noun, there's no reason for us to. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 00:03, 11 November 2014 (EST)

This may sound weird, but I personally oppose the move. It's not really useful, and we don't have to go by official media (the Kirby games, in this case) anyways. Plus, it's useless, considering typing it in with the "a" capitalized or not will wield the same result no matter what. But then there's the problem of consistency, as stated above, but that can be probably fixed. Rtzxy Reflect!!! 00:07, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Toomai, Smash Bros. doesn't treat it like anything. "Copy ability" in the writings I mentioned above refers to Kirby's ability to copy the powers of another character, not the powers themselves. In short, Smash Brothers's way of referring to Copy Abilities is currently unknown. You can oppose the move, but the basis of "Smash Bros doesnt say it" is illegitimate for the reason outlined. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:10, 11 November 2014 (EST)

"doesn't treat it like anything" That's exactly my point. If it were a proper noun to them, they would have used it somewhere. Toomai Glittershine The Obfuscating 00:15, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Them not using it doesn't mean they don't recognize it as a proper noun. Blue Ninjakoopa 00:25, 11 November 2014 (EST)

That's why I suggested above moving to a name that doesn't use the term at all, so we could skip all this. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 10:29, 11 November 2014 (EST)

"Lists of moves copyable by Kirby" sounds pretentious and unprofessional to me, I'd much rather see "List of copy abilities" if we were going to make a move. DoctorPain99 10:54, 11 November 2014 (EST)

But I strongly oppose the move, and instead, I think we should move Copy Ability (SSB4) and Copy ability (disambiguation) to their lower case counterparts. This isn't a Kirby wiki, it's a Super Smash Bros. Wiki; if Wikirby wants to call these "Copy Ability", that's fine, but if there's no other clear reason to capitalize the A, we're just going by our page naming policy.

I don't really find any of these titles good for the move (and I can't think of one either), but if I had to pick one, then it would be #2. Qwerty (talk) 11:30, 11 November 2014 (EST)

(resetting indent) I strongly oppose the move. Just because it's capitalized in-game doesn't mean it should be on the wiki. Smash attack was capitalized before Smash 4, AFAIK. PikaSamus (talk) 11:33, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Fair enough, Toomai. I strongly support a move to "List of copy abilities (game)". Blue Ninjakoopa 12:56, 11 November 2014 (EST)

We know the general position on capitalization, but what are the thoughts on Toomai's suggestions? Rtzxy and I are the only ones with established positions. Blue Ninjakoopa 14:40, 12 November 2014 (EST)

strongly support I highly suggest the combination of the 2 copy ability pages as well (though more the 64 pages together then all of the games as well, there would be way too many images for one page if all games were merged. Once it is moved, someone put a message on my profile. I'll give my input/64 comm input for the rest of the moves (especially Fox as Kirby can Short Hop triple laser or full hop Quad laser (Shudders). --LoS PPS KoRos (talk) 14:52, 26 December 2014 (EST)

Support. I always feel that capitalization makes things seem more official or professional. John (talk) 12:55, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Support. Proper nouns are capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

SSB3DS

I'm guessing you're going to include SSBB and SSB4 screens for this page as well. If this is the case, are you thinking of using the 3DS or Wii U screens, or possibly both? I think it'd be best to stick with Wii U screens due to size and lack of necessity for using both versions. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

I think we should use both if space allows. Most copy ability appearances change very little from game to game anyways aside from the art style, which I'd say varies quite a bit across versions. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:37, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Sounds good, I started Bowser's, I'm not sure if it'll still look nice with a 3DS screenshot section, but that call's up to you. Also, are you gonna capitalize "Copy Ability?" As a proper noun, it's been capitalized in both the Smash and Kirby series. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:45, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Hmm...let me try something... Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:47, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Brilliant. That's kinda what I was hoping you would do haha. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Thanks. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 19:53, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

When this is draft becomes an article "Copy Ability" needs to be capitalized. Like it's not top priority or anything, but that's how it should be Smashedpotatoes (talk) 14:04, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Where is it capitalized in the Smash series? Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:45, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Every mention of it in Smash except for one tip in SSB4, I believe. There are also one or two instances of "Copy ability," which refers to Kirby's actual ability to copy abilities. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

The point's pretty much that it's a proper noun in the Kirby series, and it's treated as a proper noun in the Smash series as well, hence why it should be capitalized. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Understood. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 16:05, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Both capitalizations are viable and official. Some level of consensus will be needed. Miles (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

That's fair. If we're going by basis of quantity, aside from one tip in SSB4 and I think one Kirby Hat trophy in Melee, all of the official mentions, (in trophies, other tips, etc.) which are much higher in quantity, have capitalization. If we're going by logic, it's a proper noun in the Kirby series, and has been treated as such (aside from two isolated instances) in the Smash series, so there's no reason why it shouldn't be capitalized. Stuff like Arm Cannon, Super Mushroom, and Levin Sword are all proper nouns in their respective series, and are treated as such in the Smash series, all with capitalization. My stance is capitalize. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Alright

You're an admin, you gonna make this a page now? Smashedpotatoes (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Just as soon as I look at the discussions on the current copy ability pages to determine capitalization. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:45, 3 October 2015 (EDT)