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Dr. Mario and Mario in SSB4

Are these two clones or semi-clones? They have different down special and down aerial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrksyd (talk • contribs) 11:03, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Sakurai called him a clone and he has more cloned moves than Melee Ganondorf, he's a clone, but if you want to argue it, go ahead, there are arguments for it on the third archive of this page, don't argue there though. Also, sign with 4 tildes (~~~~) Laikue (talk | contribs) 11:43, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Having two different moves doesn't stop you from being a clone if the entire rest of your moveset is the same. I made a compilation on this page if you want to know more. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 12:04, 9 November 2014 (EST)

Dr. Mario's not a clone, since he has one major difference that makes him a semi-clone!Nintenzilla (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

You completely disregarded what Toomai said one post above you. One or two "major" differences is not significant enough to matter if the majority of his moveset is the same. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

In addition, Dr. Mario is officially recognized by the developers as a clone in multiple ways. No argument. Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 17:46, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

Kirby and Ike

My little sister pointed this out for me. In Brawl, Kirby and Ike have the same up-special. Can I put this in semiclones? I am JigglyPurin. (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2014 (EST)

No. You need a whole lot more than one similar move to be a semi-clone. Toomai Glittershine The Inconceivable 12:31, 24 November 2014 (EST)

And plus, the two attacks function very differently. Aidan the Gamer 12:53, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Mario and Luigi

Ahem. I am The Master Hand. I am here to talk about Mario and Luigi. Come on you guys. they have WAY too many different moves to be considered Semi-Clones. I swear I even counted all the differences. They share at least 8 moves, and have at least 9 unique moves. Thoughts? The Master Hand—It's time. 18:04, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Here's what you're saying: Mario & Luigi have 17 moves each. They share 8 moves and have 9 unique moves each. That would be an 8:9 ratio, which out of 17 moves, 1/2 of the moves they have they share, while the other 1/2 are unique. That itself is almost a 1:2 ratio, so saying they're not semi-clones, by that logic, would be wrong. Rtzxy Reflect! 18:13, 29 November 2014 (EST)

I made a page on this topic. Basically, if Lucas is a semi-clone in Brawl (which he is, it's difficult to argue), so is Luigi in SSB4. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 18:17, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Also, this discussion has been made here before. See this page. Bulbaboy (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Hey guys... I recounted the moves. Luigi has 13 unique moves and 8 shared moves. Does that technically mean, since he has 5 more unique moves rather than non-unique moves, He would be considered a Non-Clone? Or at least a Semi-Semi-Clone? Hahahaha...ha...ha....ha. Uhm... Ok bye. The Master Hand—It's time. 11:53, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Going off of what Toomai says, Luigi has around 14 out of 23 moves shared. 14 divided by 23 is around 59%. Because 59 is above half but still below 75 (which I think any clone who's above that counts as a clone), Luigi is therefore a semi-clone. Nothing more. Aidan the Gamer 12:39, 2 December 2014 (EST)