Talk:Dark Samus (SSBU)

Unlockability status

Do we know for sure that Dark Samus will be unlocked separately? Samus will of course be a starter character, but we don’t know for sure whether Echo characters will be unlocked alongside the originals. I asked the same question in the Discord chat, and there was also some debate there. So is there enough uncertainty that we should list Dark Samus’s status as unknown, or can we safely say she’s unlockable? Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 13:20, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Urk I dunno. I mean, Sakurai is treating the Echoes as fully unique characters in most aspects (separate pages on the site, counted separately in the total fighter count, etc.) and Dark Samus is clearly not one of the Original Twelve. But they also (can) share a roster spot. So... I guess unknown. TheNuttyOne 13:22, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Bump as a busy day winds down. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 16:18, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

If she ain't the original 8; I'd say unlockable. Unowninator (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

We don't know for sure so I'd say Unknown. 50.226.222.35 17:51, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

Like Unowninator said, if she's not part of the Original 8, she's an unlockable character, not a starter character. Speed48 17:54, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

It, or She.

The Smash Bros. website is listing Dark Samus as 'it'. Perhaps we should edit the page to reflect that. Blackbrass (talk) 07:18, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

I'd say leave it at she. I'll go check MetroidWiki just to be sure though.72.133.91.93 08:47, 17 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Just checked M Wiki, she's officially female. Also, someone ought to go put some Ultimate stuff on that wiki, most of the related pages I've been to (ZSS, Dark Samus, Ridley, etc.) have not acknowledged it at all.72.133.91.93 08:50, 17 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

For clarity for anyone who's interested, all English scan data relating to Dark Samus in Metroid Prime 2 and 3, and supplementary materials for those games, and Dark Samus's previous Smash trophies, use she/her pronouns for the character. Although the website and Twitter post use it pronouns this once, it seems like even NoA's promotional materials for SSBU aren't sticking to that - the official Tumblr post, for example, avoids pronouns entirely. I suspect the usage of "it" is a simple error. Miles (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

As I said on Talk:Dark Samus, I believe we should wait until Ultimate is released before we declare its stance on Dark Samus's gender. After all, this blog post might not reflect the final game. --PeabodySam (talk) 00:05, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

Can I recommend it get mentioned that she seems to have mutated with 1 eye in her visor as seen in the loading screen while Samus has 2 eyes?

As of today, Dark Samus's entry on the blog has changed. It now refers to her with female pronouns. Proof--190.124.77.154 20:26, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Sure, but we already decided that blog posts are not the final word. Let the released game and her trophy make the final word. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:11, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Double jump and charge shot.

Double jump doesn’t cause Dark Samus to somersault. Charge Shot also causes her arm cannon to splinter into Phazon tendrils. I’m away from my desktop so I can’t edit these details in right now. Can someone do that? DatAlphaLion (talk) 11:58, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

Dark Samus is "floatier"?

This is a discussion that hasn't had a conclusive answer for the two months following Dark Samus's unveiling, as close observation showed her to have the same statistical attributes as Samus, leading to the belief that the "floatier" statement was referring to the animations. Has there been proof that Dark Samus is statistically floatier in recent footage? Or is the current information on the page just speculatory again?

Faster Acceleration?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aCZrQiLmEU&t=6m43s Samus and Dark Samus somehow got different results on the speed test in this video. We know they have the same speed, but he claims there's a difference in acceleration that puts Dark Samus ahead. Is this a reliable testing method? Can anyone verify or refute his claims? NuFace (talk) 18:22, 26 December 2018 (EST)

So I see that a note on Dark Samus' ground acceleration was added, but did that ever actually receive any further testing? I had Samus and Damus run side by side a few times in Training Mode and they seemed to keep pace with one another. The results in the video above might've been caused by outside factors. I've heard that certain sections of Big Blue are faster or slower than others, but I can't confirm that.

EDIT:Forgot to mention, maybe some extra detail is warranted on the projectile release height differences considering it lets Dark Samus do this. https://twitter.com/myr_quiK/status/1076799567016935425 I guess Samus' might be slightly better for catching jumps or something? NuFace (talk) 07:53, 29 December 2018 (EST)

Found a video with comparisons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDyA2U4lgDA According to this, our listed information on rolls might be slightly off and there are hurtbox differences that we missed. I don't know what to make of the information on dash dance and I think the superior down tilt stun falls into the already listed fire vs. electric effect difference, though maybe more detail should be added there.