Talk:Super Mario Maker

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How to handle images[edit]

Ok so if we put all 4 portions of the stage into the infobox, it's going to be a mess, so here is my proposal (and this is more or less to be implemented when the stage gets released): We put the original SMB portion (wii u) in the infobox and throw the other 3 in a gallery at the bottom of the page. The original version...is the most iconic, obviously. SerpentKing (talk) 22:12, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

The randomized layout stages are kind of a permanent mess. I think ultimately the trick will be to try and get as much of the randomizable content into as few pictures as is reasonably possible. Miles (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
I'd say just one per style, with SMB taking the infobox (which is seemingly what Serpent King was trying to say). And Omega, of course. (how would that even work?) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 22:16, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
I support that, because, if we've done it before, then I don't see why we can't do it again. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 22:27, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
In case it's unclear: support for me too SerpentKing (talk) 22:34, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
I support per Serpent peeps. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

What is the policy for currently existing randomized stages? (Only Gamer?) I'm under the impression they use the in-game picture from the stage selector, directly ripped from the game. -Menshay (talk) 15:35, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

All stages use their stage select icon AFAIK. Nyargleblargle (Talk · Contribs) 15:38, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

Announced 3 Days After SMM's release[edit]

Alrighty folks, we got a little problem here. A small edit war commenced over a trivial, oh so trivial...trivia point. We got Aidanzapunk here, who is clearly king of trivia (and we mean a LOT of trivia), of all sorts, who has put the detail that the stage was announced 3 days after SMM's release at the current, and only, trivia point. What does this trivia say? To paraphrase this single sentence, it basically states that SMM is the most recently represented game in SSB4. Now, what does SMM's representation in Smash have to do with the SMM stage being announced 3 days after its release? Not as much as the actual release date of SMM, which is mentioned in the first paragraph. It takes like 5, 6, 7 words or so after stating it was announced in the first paragraph to say that it was announced 3 days after SMM's release date. That is also possible to put after the trivia point. But the point is, is that there is a direct relation between the two dates (SMM's release and the SMM stage's announcement), thus, it would be no problem, in fact, most logical to put them together. I've hidden the text in the two possible areas; I would most desire to hear your thoughts. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:29, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

If it's a trivia point, it belongs in trivia. I am not sure what there is to argue here. SerpentKing (talk) 23:31, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Is it trivia though? That is the question. The fact that it was announced 3 days after SMM's release, I think, is enough to warrant a brief mention after the statement stating its announcement date. For all we know, its announcement date could be trivia. Could. In fact, a lot of things could be trivia. There's a reason why the fact that SMM is the most recently represented game in Smash is delegated to trivia. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:34, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
By the way, if this ends up being deemed trivia, it belongs in a second bullet point, not in the same point or a sub-bullet point. Actually, I'd be find with that, and I'll change it to that right now. But if we come up with something better here by consensus we can change it.Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:39, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
SK couldn't have said it better; I'm good with obscure facts, and that's why I'm, as you have dubbed me, "clearly king of trivia". That said, that's the only reason I put it back. I don't see why it's (almost) always you that has a problem with what I put as trivia. We've talked about this before. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 23:44, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Are you good with how it is right now? I should have done that in the first place. A lot of time I have a problem with your trivia is that some of them can be uninteresting. Mostly what's in the sub-bullets. Or, the points in the sub-bullets aren't interesting or significant enough to be sub-bullets, so they could be merged with the parent bullet and be fine. In this case, it's the opposite, as the two points in the singular bullet have little relation to each other, but they're still interesting/significant, so it should be split in two. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Ok, SP, what you put made it worse. Saying "this stage was announced blah blah blah" isn't interesting trivia, whereas saying "this game has the most recent representation, as the stage was announced blah blah blah" makes it sound so much better. It's late for me, I've had a rough day, and I'm in no mood to discuss this now. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 23:50, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Honestly, I feel that Aidan is one of few who actually know what they are doing with trivia. SerpentKing (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Well, hey, SP was right to dub me "clearly king of trivia". Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 23:52, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Split, anyone? I feel that's the best way to go about this. Just split it in two. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:53, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
It stands 3-1 in favor of not splitting. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 23:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
What? No split. SerpentKing (talk) 23:55, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Better idea. Instead of saying it was announced 3 days after its release, how about we say the game was released less than a month prior to the stage's release. I mean that's the main problem, the lack of pertinence. Eh? Smashedpotatoes (talk) 23:58, 14 September 2015 (EDT)
Why make it less specific? SerpentKing (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Being vague would only make it less pertinent. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:00, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
It's not about specificity. An announcement isn't as significant, or pertinent to the first part of that sentence, as a release. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) ...It kinda is. Hell, Splatoon's Smash DLC only got revealed a few days after it came out, didn't it? Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:03, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

Agreed. I am not following you, SP SerpentKing (talk) 00:04, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
But that doesn't have much to do with it, at the time, being the most recently represented series. I mean it is a bit, but that relation is not strong enough to warrant it being a single trivia point. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:06, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
It has everything to do with it. My point is, the way I have it flows better with the rest of the point. Now, sure, SW:YAV, but still. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:08, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
I disagree (no idea why you put SW:YAV there), it doesn't flow. I say make it two. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Just feel the flow Aidan Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:11, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Consensus says otherwise. 3-1, in favor of not splitting. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:12, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Maybe, we just flow differently. And I guess that is ok. But let's see how other people feel this flow k. It's 2-1 in favor of not splitting, I think Miles was in favor of merely keeping it in trivia. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:13, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Differences are okay. I'm one who's all for equality. But when consensus is the way to make decisions around here (which it is), then that takes priority. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:15, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Yes, I agree bro. How long do you want to keep this flowing? Anything more than a 24 hours ain't worth it. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:15, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Fine by me. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:17, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Alrighty. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
If this conversation last 24 hours, there is a serious problem. SerpentKing (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
We're giving other people time to submit their opinions on the subject. SP and I are simply bystanders as of now. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:19, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

It's a minor but interesting note. It's totally fine in my book. Miles (talk) 23:47, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

Let me reiterate: the trivia point is fine. This is way too inconsequential to warrant a discussion this big. Miles (talk) 00:20, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
See, what'd I tell ya? 3-1. Let's let bygones be bygones and focus on other shit. Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:21, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
We're sticking it out to the end! Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:23, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
...I'm not... Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 00:24, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
You know what, this is literally the stupidest thing I've ever done here. Let's call it quits. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
On another note, I'm surprised we went at it for this long. It'd be almost impressive if it weren't a dispute over a trivia point. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Tyvm SerpentKing (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2015 (EDT)
Np, always a pleasure Serpent. And you too, Aidan. My heart is elated that we could end this in such a civil manner. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 00:29, 15 September 2015 (EDT)

So what type of stage is this?[edit]

Is it a full 3D one or a 2D one? I'm going for the former because it's impossible to rotate the camera, so it might be a 2D stage, not to mention the enemies in the backround are all prerendered sprites ripped from Super Mario Maker. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:49, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

2D...why do you ask? Aidanzapunksignature.pngAidan, Master of Speed and AuraAidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG 09:53, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Because I feel we should mention this somewhere in the article. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:55, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

On the subject of the DLC for SSM being hinted.[edit]

I think this is a strong possibility, notice how all of the stage's aesthetics are ripped straight from the source material. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:36, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Key word: "possibility". That's not something we need to report on. Also, just because they used similar or even the same sprites for some things doesn't mean that they did for everything; also, rotating sprites isn't that difficult so that explains the slopes, and the lava sprite already exists from the castle, it just can't be placed in the overworld. It's not necessarily implying anything, and even if it is we should not be reporting on it as an encyclopedia. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:39, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
I could ask NWPlayer on Twitter if she could datamine SSM and see if she finds anything. She's open for requests. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
We already mention that the usage of certain elements in the way this stage uses them isn't possible in SMM. Whether that indicates a "hint" about future content is a conclusion a reader will have to draw for themselves; it's not our place to claim such a thing. And as to your other point, she and RTB have gone through SMM pretty thoroughly by this point. I think they'd have mentioned such a thing if it existed. Miles (talk) 13:43, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Per Miles. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:44, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a minor patch that was released recently that bumps the game to ver. 1.0.2? Nintenzilla (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
okay look, if you absolutely want to know if it's dlc have her datamine, i don't care. But it's not something that goes on this page. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:49, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Look, I'm sorry if I upset you, but I don't think that it should be said it's entirely impossible, it feels somewhat subjective, at least in my opinion. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:51, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

We aren't saying it's entirely impossible. We're saying nothing on the matter. What the trivia point says is that slopes and lava cannot be placed in the game- that is fact. Anything else is speculation, and should not be on a mainspace article. Readers can draw their own conclusions. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 13:53, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Understood. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:57, 23 October 2015 (EDT)

Star KO and Screen KO occurrences[edit]

I've learned that Star KOs and Screen KOs only occur in the 3DS version. The same also goes to the Duck Hunt stage in the 3DS version.

Already on the page. Also, sign with four tildes (~) please. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by BOO! Or maybe Nutta. 23:07, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

Can this stage be in 3DS attract mode?[edit]

I didn't see can anyone tell this is gonna to be in 3DS attract mode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.163.140 (talkcontribs) 17:16 10 October 2015

First, please sign your comments with ~~~~. Second, I know what you're talking about, but it would be a pain to look for unless someone happened upon it. I would imagine so, though. Nyargleblargle.pngNyargleblargle (Talk | Contribs) 17:20, 10 November 2015 (EST)

This is not hard to understand[edit]

Fire Emblem Fates will be the most recently represented game in Smash once Corrin releases. When that happens, Yoshi's Wooly World will not longer be the most recently represented game in Smash in North America.

Trivia point is NOT about listing games that come after Smash, only the most recently represented game (NOT plural) in both regions. For Japan it's Super Mario Maker, and in North America, Fire Emblem Fates. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:05, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Dude, that's not even what I said? And stop treating me like I'm stupid just because I disagree with you.
The point of the trivia point is that Super Mario Maker is the most recently represented game ("NOT plural") in Japan. The indented point notes that this is not true outside of Japan, and lists what are more recently released with representation. I don't know how to explain it, really, but what you're saying is not the point of the indented trivia point. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:13, 26 December 2015 (EST)
No its just that Fates beats Wooly World in North America. Wooly World and Fates can't be the most recently released game. Yes, they are both recently released games and release after SSB4, but only one is the MOST recently represented game in North America. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:15, 26 December 2015 (EST)
he just rephrased it Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:17, 26 December 2015 (EST)
(edit conflict) ...no... this isn't about Woolly (which has two l's, by the way) World. This is about Super Mario Maker, which is the most recently released game in Japan, but was released before both Yoshi's Woolly World and Fire Emblem Fates in North America, and Fire Emblem Fates in Europe. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:17, 26 December 2015 (EST)
and your a previous breaker of the one revert rule too... which you just broke again Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:20, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Y'all are breaking it as well. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:21, 26 December 2015 (EST)
but it was different people reverting it Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:22, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Cool? Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:23, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Technically, he is right, but you did continue it.
Smashed, you're clearly not listening to what we're saying. Please re-read the points made before responding. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:24, 26 December 2015 (EST)

yes and you think we cant read and he freaking changed the trivia point Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:26, 26 December 2015 (EST)

K North America you're listing Woolly World AND Fates. But Fates releases in NA after Woolly World, which will make it THE MOST RECENTLY represented game in Smash. Not Woolly World. Yes, they're recently released, but Fates is the MOST RECENTLY. The point of the trivia point is not to list the games that release after Smash, but to list the most recently released game in each region. For Japan it's Mario Maker, which is why it's there. Then we're saying that's not true for Europe and NA, and listing Fates. We don't need Woolly World because with Fates, it will no longer be the most recently released game in Europe and NA. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:29, 26 December 2015 (EST)

What you're saying is that you want BOTH Woolly World and Fates as the most recently represented game in NA and Europe. But this point is saying "game" not "games." Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:31, 26 December 2015 (EST)

No, that's far from what I'm saying, and the fact that you're assuming it is what I'm saying just proves that you feel so strongly about this trivia point that you don't care to listen. The trivia point isn't about the most recently released game in the respective regions; it's about Super Mario Maker. Super Mario Maker is released most recently, but it was released before Yoshi's Woolly World and Fire Emblem Fates. While, yes, Yoshi's Woolly World could be left out and the trivia point would still be correct, including Woolly World does not make the trivia point false, and simply makes provides more evidence and fact. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:32, 26 December 2015 (EST)
No I get what you're saying but why are you so fixated on Woolly World, I don't get the benefit of it. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:34, 26 December 2015 (EST)
i removed the trivia to make us stop arguing Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:35, 26 December 2015 (EST)
This problem exists because of a strange fixation on having Woolly World in there. It doesn't need to be there. I don't understand. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:39, 26 December 2015 (EST)
dont you see, the trivia is GONE Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:40, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Of course, I'm just intrigued at DNK's desire to keep YWW in there. I don't understand the fixation, the need, for it to be there. Just inquiring. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:41, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Says the person who literally called me an idiot because I included it. My point was not that it was wrong to remove YWW (as I actually said), I simply was not okay with you treating me, and other users, like brainless monkeys for adding it.
The trivia point should not have been removed, though. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:45, 26 December 2015 (EST)
lets just be friends again... okay? Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:43, 26 December 2015 (EST)

A bit late, but it isn't necessary to list more than the one game because of regional stuff. SMM is the most recent game referenced in Smash, period. (See here.) YWW and FE14's releases in some regions coming later doesn't remove the fact that they were already released before SMM. Games should be treated as releasing at their first release only, unless there's a huge disparity between regions. Less than a year of difference isn't notable. Miles (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Given that it's trivia and specifically mentions that it's region-specific, I don't think that really applies. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:47, 26 December 2015 (EST)
In Japan it's Super Mario Maker, period. Soon, in North America and Europe, it will be Fire Emblem Fates, period. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:49, 26 December 2015 (EST)
It's just weird how DNK and the other guy who added it in the first place wants to throw in YWW when it will no longer be the most recently represented game in NA and Europe. I REALLY do not understand the push. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:51, 26 December 2015 (EST)
What in fucking hell did I miss? SP, you don't seem to get that they're not wrong. Yes, in a few months, it will solely be Fates. But that doesn't mean that we should change it to just Fates now. Both apply, and both stay. AidanzapunkChristmasSig.pngAidan, the Jolly Space WarriorAidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png 17:54, 26 December 2015 (EST)
I think the best way to solve this is to keep it at Woolly World right now, and once Fates releases, we'll change it to Fates. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 17:56, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Fates being released doesn't change anything though.
Nothing really needs solved here; it's 4 - 1 - 1. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 17:58, 26 December 2015 (EST)
I don't understand DNK's fixation on YWW. Current most recently represented game in Smash for NA and Europe = Woolly World. When Fates releases = Fates. So, the logical thing is keep Woolly World, and change to Fates when it actually releases Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 18:01, 26 December 2015 (EST)
im out of this argument Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:55, 26 December 2015 (EST)
whoa this is a giant argument (srs look at recent changes) Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:57, 26 December 2015 (EST)
whoa crhonological order of posts man Nintendofan1653 (talk) the true north strong and free 17:58, 26 December 2015 (EST)

@Nutta, on Miles's timeline thingy, you can see that YWW was actually released a day after Fates in terms of first releases. So... AidanzapunkChristmasSig.pngAidan, the Jolly Space WarriorAidanzapunkChristmasSig2.png 18:20, 26 December 2015 (EST)

Aidan, this could potentially be one of the few times we actually agree with each other. Do you think we should leave it at Woolly World for NA and Europe until Fates releases? Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 18:31, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Actually that's what should be done. I thought it'd be good to change it to Fates now just to get it ahead of time. Now, I spurred a shit ton of conflict. Well, I guess I learned my lesson. Don't say something's released until it's actually released. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 18:39, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Not in North America, though, which is what the trivia point says. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 18:25, 26 December 2015 (EST)
Anyways, I'm out of this one. Over and hour and half debating over a trivia point isn't worth it. I kept telling myself that in my head, but I kept going anyways. Regardless of who's more right in this situation, I'm not going to invest in this any further, it's foolish to do so. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 18:56, 26 December 2015 (EST)